GF-A330 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 1643 posts, RR: 3 Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12513 times:
Read off another board that the GF board of directors held a meeting on Sunday and it was decided to reduce the fleet size from the existing 34 aircraft to 28 aircraft, with an all Airbus fleet. Unprofitable routes will be suspended.
No way this is going to happen. In the year since they started operations here they have increased their number of flights, opened a new office, and send the A340 in instead of the usual A332, although its usually just during the summer. I don't think it will be disappearing off their map any time soon.
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IcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12391 times:
Whatever routes they keep or drop. They seriously need to up their game, to stand a chance against the likes of EY, QR, EK, etc. GF looks like a third world airline compared to others in the region.
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12374 times:
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 3): The flight is almost full every day.
Full flights and profitable are two different things. It comes down to yield. Our flights to PPT from LAX were full every single flight. Was it profitable, no.
UAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 904 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12350 times:
Shabaz From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12334 times:
I agree, Gulf Air is a dyeing airline right infront of our eyes and one day it will be gone. I'm hoping the Bahrain government can save it once they gain 100% ownership soon.
Out of the 5 767s which were sent to DUB recently, 3 are said to be finished completely...
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12334 times:
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 7): Our flights to PPT from LAX were full every single flight. Was it profitable, no.
at the risk of hijacking this thread can I suggest that you point that out to some people on the New Zealand aviation thread who are still convinced that Air New Zealand has cut themselves off from a gold mine by axing PPT-LAX - although I admit that where CO was 13 years ago and where NZ are now are two very different places
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BlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2515 posts, RR: 25 Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12169 times:
Quoting EISHN (Reply 4): No way this is going to happen. In the year since they started operations here they have increased their number of flights, opened a new office, and send the A340 in instead of the usual A332, although its usually just during the summer. I don't think it will be disappearing off their map any time soon.
DUB is, apparently, haemorrhaging like a burst artery.
Good loads down the back, but upfront is full of upgrades to cope with overselling down the back.
Only time will tell if it is true.
Shamu
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Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 43 Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12112 times:
Unprofitable destinations include CCU, FRA, HKG, SIN, SYD & JNB and Iran.
ATH too is very low yielding for them and heavily dependant upon feeder traffic from Australia and Far East leisure destinations such as BKK and KUL.
I wonder if they will actually live up to their word concerning suspending all these destinations. Also it seems that they are reducing the fleet by 6 aircraft i.e. getting rid of 6 B 763ERs.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12061 times:
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 12): Also it seems that they are reducing the fleet by 6 aircraft i.e. getting rid of 6 B 763ERs.
Kbdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12000 times:
rumour from another a.net thread is that they have ordered some 787s already.....listed as an unidentified customer...
If they were able to secure ~2010 production slots....Would be a good product differentiator from EK, QR & EY......
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11963 times:
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 14): Quoting Behramjee (Reply 12):
Also it seems that they are reducing the fleet by 6 aircraft i.e. getting rid of 6 B 763ERs.
Will these be sold or scrapped?
Why would these perfectly good 763ERs be scrapped? The second hand market for all widebody aircraft, including 763ERs, is rather strong and these airplanes will find new homes.
Delta already has a handful of ex-Gulf Air airplanes (is it 4 or 6 airplanes?)....I wonder if they would be interested in acquiring these airplanes? Delta needs all of the longhaul capacity it can get its hands on.
B742 From UK - England, joined Mar 2005, 3760 posts, RR: 21 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11870 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16): Why would these perfectly good 763ERs be scrapped? The second hand market for all widebody aircraft, including 763ERs, is rather strong and these airplanes will find new homes.
Gulf Air's 763ERs are hardly old either, the early models were delivered to GF in 1989 whereas the newest of the fleet were delivered in 1994. The others are deleivered in 1992/3.
I'm sure they will find new homes very easily, but they were in bad condition recently according to several sources.
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16): Delta already has a handful of ex-Gulf Air airplanes (is it 4 or 6 airplanes?)....I wonder if they would be interested in acquiring these airplanes? Delta needs all of the longhaul capacity it can get its hands on.
It was 6 aircraft. They are the 3P6/ER models in the DL fleet.
Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11804 times:
Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 17): Looks like HKG, SIN, SYD, CGK, JNB and DUB routes are on the way out
No way. If this happens what will GF be? It'll be a tiny airline flying long haul only to BKK, CDG and LHR. Ridiculous! Let us remember here that GF are only losing 6 planes, and it looks like these will be the 767's to make it an all airbus fleet. If we want to try and assume which destinations will be cut we must look at the current 767 routes and see whether or not they could sustain a 332 or 343.
I feel that routes like CGK and JNB might be cut, but DUB, FRA and SIN will definately not be cut.
SYD is a hard one, it is vital for the sucess of other routes like DUB but un-profitable on it's own. Could GF buy new planes, like maybe some longer range aircraft to make SYD non stop? Do GF still have the QF codeshare going on?
Detroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11673 times:
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 7): Full flights and profitable are two different things. It comes down to yield.
i know this sounds really ignorant...but what exactly is yields?? and do you u get them high??
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 22 Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11617 times:
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 19): No way. If this happens what will GF be? It'll be a tiny airline flying long haul only to BKK, CDG and LHR. Ridiculous! Let us remember here that GF are only losing 6 planes, and it looks like these will be the 767's to make it an all airbus fleet. If we want to try and assume which destinations will be cut we must look at the current 767 routes and see whether or not they could sustain a 332 or 343.
I feel that routes like CGK and JNB might be cut, but DUB, FRA and SIN will definately not be cut.
SYD is a hard one, it is vital for the sucess of other routes like DUB but un-profitable on it's own. Could GF buy new planes, like maybe some longer range aircraft to make SYD non stop? Do GF still have the QF codeshare going on?
SYD will be gone by Oct 2008 at the latest.
I told you this would happen....
Soups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3437 posts, RR: 15 Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11540 times:
Problem with GF is that they cant work with 2 hubs. BAH or MCT not both.
when i flew with them to KL from LHR, we had to stop in BAH and MCT, on way back MCT was closed cause of a 19h delay, we diverted to BAH then back to MCT then LHR
Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
25 Planemanofnz: How do you know? Where are your sources?
26 Laxintl: Related news story. Gulf Air Overhaul Starts With Arrival Of Dose 04/10/2007 Only a few days into his job, new Gulf Air CEO André Dosé has decided t
27 Behramjee: He doesnt need a source...anyone with common sense would predict GF shutting down SYD as it makes big losses on that route.
28 Planemanofnz: Really : Seems like such a move could mean SYD could become profitable as it could be done as non stop now.
29 AF022: CGK yields are probably terrible, and JNB doesn't really fit into their connecting network, especially with only three weekly flights. Can't compete
30 PM: Perhaps they should merge with bmi...? Sorry, that was a cheap shot. I'd really be sorry to see GF go down. But it is extraordinary how they had such
31 Behramjee: GF is not going down thats for sure...the BAH Govt will not let that happen...so please get that of your system. The airline is suffering severe finan
32 Ryanair!!!: My impressions of GF were never good. I embarked on a SIN-SYD-SYD flight with them with, honestly, rather good expectations because being from the reg
33 6thfreedom: Just because EK, EY and QR can do it, it does not mean that GF is in the same league. The Sydney service requires 2.5 long haul aircraft to operate,
34 Malaysia: Lets start a little management consultation pool and help bring GF back. :P I have flown GF before and I miss the service, but sadly its 3rd world ser
35 Fly2CHC: They are leased and will be returned to their owners. Their problem with DUB, FRA, and CDG is simple - by not having the SYD-BAH flight connecting, p
36 JAAlbert: Well really, just how many big airlines can the Gulf region handle? It seems EK alone has capacity that exceeds the needs of the region. (ok a bit of
37 Icarus75: I feel sorry also but having flown with them several times on CDG-BAH-DXB, I'd say : * Service in business is just good compared to othe airlines. *
39 Emirates029: Does anyone know why ex-Gulf Air CEO Hogan resigned to join Etihad?
40 QF744: Does anyone have the updated SYD-BAH and BAH-SYD schedules for June 07? I think we won't see SYD scrapped at this stage. QF744
41 TruemanQLD: Poor Gulf Air. It has a nice livery too...
42 Steve332: I'v flown on GF's 332's and 343's recently and I have to say I liked it. The 343 did not have ptv's and the seats were old and shabby but they were co
43 OA260: I would be very suprised if GF axe DUB. They are doing quite well on it. Now come the first week in August when EY come on the scene then it will be i
44 UAEflyer: I should agree with you BAH is a 60s airport style. But from my point, i dont think that Bahrain Government will allow GF to go out of service or bus
45 6thfreedom: The captain jumping from a sinking ship?? still listed until 27 October 2007. If they withdraw, it will be for a northern winter season. june-sept ar
46 Abrelosojos: Now here is my question to all ... how would you turn around GF in an environment of EK, EY, and QR? -A.
47 EKSkycargo370: GF may as well shut up shop,EK are going for world domination(no complaints by me as an employee haha)
48 Behramjee: Its not an easy task but lets see : 1. GF should focus on its core routes and not venture into long haul markets where QR/EY/EK have an established p
49 COEI2007: I had heard they leave with a lot of seats all the time, but I didnt think they were doing too badly. With EY's arrival to DUB in August, GF wont las
50 GFA330: Yeah all point of sale USA, very little FRA pos, so the majority of the fare goes to AA My guess on the routes ; SYD, SIN, JNB, MNL, JKT, MHD, SHZ, H
51 BrianDromey: Well lots of people said EI would not stand a chance in DUB with FR there. GF have to play EK / EY et al at their own game. They need a lot of market
52 Planemanofnz: EI isn't really a threat. They lack connections out into the far east and they also lack partners. I think DXB-DUB is a mostly O & D route. As for EY
53 OA260: Exactly DUB cant be compared to UK regional airports. For one thing DUB is another country and there are enough high yield pax here. Originally it wa
54 Behramjee: EI have a broad SPA with Emirates for flights from DXB to EKs entire Far East network. GF I feel will axe CGK-Jakarta as its a B 763 operating route
55 Sparklehorse12: James Hogan leaving would have caused some greif especially considering he went to EY.......
56 6thfreedom: I doubt it... with the expection of perhaps Saudi Arabia, I think most of the traffic via these middle east hubs is connecting traffic. My guess is t
57 QF744: If GF pulled out of the SYD market, they would be the laughing stock of the Arabian carriers. Also, there's a lot of critical people on here regarding
58 6thfreedom: I don't quite agree? Laughing stock? why? If the service is losing money, it should be suspended. That makes them smart operators.... not laughing st
59 Cartoonranger: True but i think EY are playing the game slightly differently to EK and QR. Their expansion seems to be at a somewhat slower rate but not at detrimen
60 Sparklehorse12: Correct me if I am wrong....wasn't it James Hogan that started the expansion of GF? I don't think EY will have it easy either. They are projecting the
61 Planemanofnz: If this was the case then why does EI only advertise DXB on it's website with these low fares of 200 euros with hotel options? Also, I find it hard t
62 OA260: EI has alot of passengers connecting and you cant book those fares online!!! You can only book at a travel agents. The flights go :: DUB DXB 10/1755#
63 Planemanofnz: REALLY! Do you think if I go to a travel agent in Auckland I could get a quote for a flight into DUB via DXB on EK/EI?
64 OA260: Its worth a try but fares in Ireland are different than NZ/OZ. It depends if EK/EI have introduced consol fares over there or not. It works this end
65 GFA330: Not sure what or who your source is but it is incorrect. SYD/SIN/JKT/HKG/CCU/JNB/DUB will go ATH to 3 or 4 freq IST is already at 4 freq, no change t
66 Behramjee: These destinations were expected except for DUB...also the BEY flight is a same plane aircraft to SYD via BAH 5 times a week i.e. A 343 all the way..
67 OA260: Our UK GF rep says that there is alot of rumour about and DUB as far as they are concerned will stay. There is a new guy in GF now and hes making lots
68 COEI2007: I remember they had an A330 painted with a Shamrock and Giraffe just below the cock-pit windows to promote there new flights to DUB and JNB, and prom
69 QF175: Is this old news -> Isn't GF reducing SYD-SIN-BAH services from Daily to 4x weekly at the start of the Australian winter? Sounds like the beginning of
70 SQ_EK_freak: All these axes in context, what of MNL? I know that loads are great, with almost every flight leaving full or oversold, but yield wise I can't imagine
71 Ryanair!!!: This is GF's 2nd attempt at the Australian market with SYD. If anyone's critical down under, it is because GF's reputation is not all that good but s
72 6thfreedom: Not quite. from MEL and SYD, there are numerous one or 2 stop options to ATH. EK Daily TG 3pw SQ 3pw and soon, daily QR from MEL...
73 LurveBus: I was never really fond of GF, but I'm glad that they're tightening their belts and are gearing up for a more efficient operation. It would be sad to
74 AF022: EK's connection eastbound requires a 10 hour layover. I wouldn't call that a viable option.
75 SkyyMaster: I scanned the previous posts and didn't see anything, but I assume this means the "Gulf Traveller" product goes away? Weren't they the one using the 7
76 CV580Freak: Latest news , confirmed DUB, JNB and SYD routes being dropped http://www.arabianbusiness.com/index...r-to-scrap-sydney-service&Itemid=1 9 x 767-300's
77 Behramjee: Ok so since SYD is suspended so that means 2 A 343s are being freed and DUB-BAH-JNB suspension frees up 1 A 332. So 3 Airbus A 330/343s have been free
78 GFA330: You are right, they are waiting till after F1 Bahrain GP. The additional acft will be most likely A320, looking at the quoted costs 200K - 250K p/m I
79 Karan69: In that case barring LHR and CDG GF will just be restricted to Middle East and Indian Subcontinent routes. Karan
80 BCA2005: They also fly to FRA, KTM, BKK, MNL and KUL.
81 ANstar: .. sad to see GF leave Sydney .. Flew them in J in January and liked their product.[Edited 2007-04-13 03:34:51]
82 Kiramakora: Does anyone know why DUB is going? I am confused to how this route was really doing. From the comments from our Ireland based A.Netters, it was doing
83 CurtisMan: Interesting thread indeed. I am flying Gulf on April 25. LHR/BAH April 28 BAH/MCT/KTM And this on the "Gulf Traveller" product. May 11 KTM/BAH/LHR I'
84 Jacobin777: Thanks for the link... Sad to see GF ending DUB so soon... Having flown DUB-BAH-KHI a couple of weeks ago..maybe I can add some input. First, the ser
85 CV580Freak: http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...ticle=178927&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=30024 I am not sure that anyone in GF actually knows what is going on, one minute
86 6thfreedom: "Bahrain-based Australian Trade Commission consultant Chris Jenkins was similarly sad to hear the daily service to Sydney would no longer be an option
87 OA260: I think its to free up AC , the route was not at a loss according to GF Dublin. Ditto, I called GF in London as we have clients booked to SYD and JNB
88 CV580Freak: Theres a lot of transfer pax from eastern province of KSA and even afar as RUH. Rumours that the 3 new Airbus are A340 leased from Thai and a new rout
89 Kiramakora: I understand that it frees up AC, but am curious why DUB and not other stations. I mean, according to most postings by those in Ireland, there was pr
90 OA260: DUB was better yields than FRA apparantly but FRA is a more important market. Not really !!! Free trips to see the family LOL.... Interesting to know
91 AF022: I love when airlines maintain operations to a station because they are "important". Maybe GF would be more profitable if they maintained profitable r
92 Mtsubshe: gulf air is one of the best airlines , i flew with, i really feel sad for gulf air, i still remember flying on gulf air from doha to newyork, even tho
93 Behramjee: The main reason that FRA is kept online still inspite of the losses is due to it being the 2nd most important trans-atlantic gateway. GF's USA market
94 BlueShamu330s: A wonky compass, perhaps? That's the kiss of death if ever. Wishful thinking? As I said previously, oversold down the back, full of upgrades in biz.
95 OA260: LOl... well I not going to get an upgrade now am i !!!! Anyway hopefully GF can get their act together and get back to the good old days . It would b
96 GF-A330: Did you take any cabin shots Jacobin of your flight sectors with GF, came across this new addition to the database with the F1 promo head rest covers.
97 CV580Freak: http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...ticle=179200&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=30026 Obviously got a couple of spare aircraft (only joking) Saw the fly past last
98 Karan69: Posted a trip report on my GF sectors yesterday with lot of details and pics in the TR forum, sadly of the 8 aircrafts i flew with them 2 of them won
99 GF-A330: Excellent Karan, thoroughly enjoyed reading through your trip report of your GF sectors and all the wonderful pics !
100 OA260: Does anyone have the official link to GF press release on the axed routes??? According to GF no press release was issued on Friday due to the start of
101 Jacobin777: ....arrgh....didn't get any interiour pics....I was a bit lazy... I did manage to get this photo upon rotation..... Also, as I mentioned above, I bar
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can I suggest that you point that out to some people on the New Zealand aviation thread who are still convinced that Air New Zealand has cut themselves off from a gold mine by axing PPT-LAX - although I admit that where CO was 13 years ago and where NZ are now are two very different places
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