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CO Likely To BOS Terminal A By Year's End  
User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

Logan International Airport officials are nearing a deal to move Continental Airlines over to the half-empty $500 million Delta Air Lines Terminal A, which could spur an extensive shuffling of airline gates.

http://www.boston.com/business/artic...al_move_could_start_logan_shuffle/

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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

EXCELLENT!!!!  thumbsup 

About fricking time that this happened. Gates at logan are an ever changing game of musical chairs I must say.

I found the article interesting that the next logical move could be to get NW over to A in order to free up the gates in E.
But given that they have not built customs/immigration facilities at A, I don't know how much northwest would be willing to budge given they are now going with a second AMS flight soon.

They honestly should get officials from NW, AF, AZ, and CO, along with the present tenant DL, and just decide on a way to make terminal A a "skyteam" terminal, add customs/immigration. I figure that with that sort of lineup at A, gates would be maxed out or close to it, and that would give the rest of the airport terminals some room to breath.

Also, the article mentioned new services to Glasgow, Madrid and an airport in Ireland I have never even heard of (Ireland west airport in knock). Can anyone shed some light on this as to who will be operating these routes? Thanks.  Smile



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5458 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 1):
Also, the article mentioned new services to Glasgow, Madrid and an airport in Ireland I have never even heard of (Ireland west airport in knock). Can anyone shed some light on this as to who will be operating these routes?

It's Fly GlobalSpan....



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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 2):
It's Fly GlobalSpan....

For all of the routes?



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5406 times:

FlyGlobespan operating daily flights to Glasgow, stopping a 2/3 times a week in Knock. Think the plan is to use B737-800's

Iberia operating Madrid



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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
Iberia operating Madrid

Nice...glad to get Iberia into BOS!



SIN > CVG > BOS
User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3577 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5276 times:

Needless to say, for those of us that work here in BOS things are (and have been) getting interesting.

It is of my opinion that FL, especially, needs to be helped in getting better counter and gate/ramp space. They are a busy airline out of here and need to be treated as such.

Of course, space is a limiting factor here. Terminal A is rather spacious, but the rent payments have (at least for my airline) been the make/break deciding factor for relocation.



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User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5246 times:
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Quoting SQ452 (Reply 1):
I found the article interesting that the next logical move could be to get NW over to A in order to free up the gates in E.

I don't recall the article saying where NW would be moved to. Terminal A is big, but it's not big enough to house DL, CO and NW. I imagine if NW does move it'd be to CO's old gates in C. But, if that happens, you still have FL stuck in the old terminal D and block any expansion by B6, which according to the article has been promised by Massport to the airline. It's going to be interesting to see what happens.


Also, little off topic, one of the pilots here just told me that Massport has been out in between the 4s/22s for the past few days with heavy equipment which have leveling the land. Does anyone know anything about this? Maybe the long wished for center taxiway?


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Will Massport finance a new Presidents Club in Boston? I think this is an important market for CO that would require a CO-branded lounge, rather than shared access with DL in the CRC.

Either way, moving (back) to A would be a wonderful improvement over CO's existing operation at C.


User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5233 times:

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 7):
I don't recall the article saying where NW would be moved to.

My mistake, your right, I misquoted meant to write that the next logical step would be to move NW. Which if i had to put money on it, means they would go to A too.

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 7):
Also, little off topic, one of the pilots here just told me that Massport has been out in between the 4s/22s for the past few days with heavy equipment which have leveling the land. Does anyone know anything about this? Maybe the long wished for center taxiway?

Perhaps, that be nice!

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 7):
Terminal A is big, but it's not big enough to house DL, CO and NW.

I dunno, I think it might, never would know unless we tried! haha.



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User currently offlineBAGoldEx From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

They could be doing prep work of some kind, it(centerfield taxiway) is scheduled to go out for bids on August 14.

[Edited 2007-04-10 19:30:24]

User currently offlineB752os From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
FlyGlobespan operating daily flights to Glasgow, stopping a 2/3 times a week in Knock. Think the plan is to use B737-800's

The globe had reported that the flights are seeing solid bookings. For the month of June and July, more than 84% of sets are filled. All flights have sold at least 55% of seats fo far.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

Quoting BAGoldEx (Reply 10):

They could be doing prep work of some kind, it(centerfield taxiway) is scheduled to go out for bids on August 14.

Wow. I thought that project had been canned due to NIMBY opposition. (Really, with the airport surrounded on almost all sides by water, what NIMBY's would actually care about this). If this is true, that would really be good news, but like I said, you can modernize all you want, and it still won't help that airport that much, unless you raze all the terminals and build from scratch.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 8):
Will Massport finance a new Presidents Club in Boston? I think this is an important market for CO that would require a CO-branded lounge, rather than shared access with DL in the CRC.

Well considering that there are two CRC's in A already, it might be tough to add, unless CO was to use the vacant gates in the west part of the sattellite and make the sattellite CRC a PC, but I don't see what is so bad about a shared access lounge. NW and CO have one in ORD and I think thats an important market for both carriers. My one question is what would happen to the Presidents Club in terminal C. This was a red carpet club years ago until United moved to the old TWA gates, and renovated the old Ambassadors club for the new RCC. Would JetBlue start some kind of lounge and use it? That facility is a prime piece of real estate thats been a lounge for one airline or another the past 25 years at least.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 1):
They honestly should get officials from NW, AF, AZ, and CO, along with the present tenant DL, and just decide on a way to make terminal A a "skyteam" terminal, add customs/immigration.

This has been agrued at length, but someoing suggested in another thread that not only was an FIS not planned, but also there was no space reserved for one. Can someone confirm or deny that an FIS in Term A is even possible?



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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 7):

I don't recall the article saying where NW would be moved to. Terminal A is big, but it's not big enough to house DL, CO and NW. I imagine if NW does move it'd be to CO's old gates in C. But, if that happens, you still have FL stuck in the old terminal D and block any expansion by B6, which according to the article has been promised by Massport to the airline. It's going to be interesting to see what happen

NW should be shifted down to the Airtran gates(connected to E) if Airtran is shifted to the CO gates(likely if CO moves to A). This would allow NW to keep its ticket counters+checkpoints in E and have an international gate for their AMS flight.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):
Can someone confirm or deny that an FIS in Term A is even possible?

I don't see how this would be possible unless they could fit a small station under the satellite. But the problem there is you then have to build a separate tunnel back out to the landside.

I think Massport screwed the pooch on this one, which was probably their intention all along.

LH423



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User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4889 times:
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Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 14):
NW should be shifted down to the Airtran gates(connected to E) if Airtran is shifted to the CO gates(likely if CO moves to A). This would allow NW to keep its ticket counters+checkpoints in E and have an international gate for their AMS flight.

I can't prove this, but supposedly B6 is going to be taking at least some if not all of the CO gates. Rumor has it that's part of the reason why we (Cape Air, 9K) signed the partnership with jetBlue a few months ago. It would make it easier for us to avoid a forced movment to the very nice but, as AirPortugal310 pointed out, extremely expensive Terminal A. Who knows though, anything is possible at this place! Whenever you think you have BOS figured out something crazy happens and it all goes out the window.

Many years ago it was suggested to Massport that they tear down the central parking and move the garages to another site. The old central parking land would then be used to build a IAD style check-in/baggage claim terminal. This would then allow the current terminals to be transformed into one huge continuous terminal that was entirely screened. It would have been a massive project, but it probably would have made things a lot easier as passengers would be able to connect to other airlines and there would have been no reason for a single "international" terminal because they could have built multiple customs areas. Oh well...


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2533 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 12):
Well considering that there are two CRC's in A already, it might be tough to add, unless CO was to use the vacant gates in the west part of the sattellite and make the sattellite CRC a PC, but I don't see what is so bad about a shared access lounge. NW and CO have one in ORD and I think thats an important market for both carriers

There is a vacant room next to the existing satellite CRC. It was to be the International Lounge so it is equal in size to the CRC. CO will be taking gates in the 19-22 area so it would be close by.


User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

BOS needs more gate space to accomdate rapid growth from jetblue and airtran. more E space would help with the Int'l problem.

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 7):
Also, little off topic, one of the pilots here just told me that Massport has been out in between the 4s/22s for the past few days with heavy equipment which have leveling the land. Does anyone know anything about this? Maybe the long wished for center taxiway?

heard that on the ATIS as well...not sure though

BOS needs another west/northwest CATIII 10000' runway Badly!! anyone agree?



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 18):
BOS needs another west/northwest CATIII 10000' runway Badly!! anyone agree?

Another one? 15R-33L isn't even CATIII yet. The only CATIII runway in BOS is 4R. What I would like to see is an upgraded ILS on 27 to make it 1/2 mile minimums, and 33L should be replaced by a CATIII ILS. I would also like to see an ILS installed on 4L as well. Strange thing I noticed while looking at things for the CRJ, the CRJ is actually noisier on Landing than Takeoff, yet 4R landings are brought straight in, but 22R-L departures are turned for noise abatement. Are the noise abatment procedures out dated? The planes these days don't seem to make a lot of noise.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

I thought the centre taxiway was being held up by the NIMBYs for the same reasons that 14/32 was held up for so long, citing that mid-field taxiway would increase traffic, blah blah blah

Dunno if there was any legal injunction to stop construction. A mid-field taxiway would help delays by allowing both traffic to queue for both 22s.

What the NIMBYs have to realize is that with the new runway and other modifications designed to help make Logan more efficient and cut delays isn't going to allow the airport traffic to jump tenfold. Fact is, BOS is still running below it's pre-9.11 levels though that will change this year (it was only 1400 passengers off the mark for 2006 from overtaking 2000 as the busiest year) and according to ACI, despite the lawn darts all over the place, aircraft movements are down over 70,000 a year compared to 2000 levels (478 800 in 2000 versus 406 000 in 2006) and the number is continuing to shrink according to Massport's latest stats for February. Actually, not to go off on a tangent but I don't know how this is possible. In 2000 you still have frequent widebodies domestically. DL had lots of 767s off to ATL, AA had the A300s to MIA and SJU and 767s to the west coast, UA also had widebodies to the west coast. It seems that the overall average number of seats per aircraft would have shrunk along with the number of movements but passenger numbers are almost equal. And European widebodies are not the reason either. In 2000 there were almost 1000 more European departures than in 2006. Also, the executive/private movements can't explain this either as there are less than 3,800 fewer executive movements compared to 2000. The only thing I can surmise is that load factors these days are incredibly high. That and cargo. In 2000, almost 375,000 metric tonnes of mail and cargo passed through BOS, in 2006 that number had shrunk to just under 310,000 tonnes. I can't imagine all the cargo carriers are flying equal or increased cargo schedules for 65,000 fewer tonnes of cargo. But overall, the cargo traffic seems pretty much the same from a spotter's perspective. It definitely hasn't changed enough to account for a huge percentage of the roughly 190 fewer daily movements per day.

Well, I didn't want to go off on a tangent, but I did. Anyone have any idea how this is possible. To lose 72,000 movements a year, have an apparent reduction in domestic widebody flights, yet still maintain near identical passenger totals?

LH423



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2971 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 16):
can't prove this, but supposedly B6 is going to be taking at least some if not all of the CO gates. Rumor has it that's part of the reason why we (Cape Air, 9K) signed the partnership with jetBlue a few months ago.

Would these gates in IN ADDITION to the 11 that JetBlue has already signed a lease for, or do they include the 11? It seems to me that since JetBlue is already using 8 gates - and many dots have still not been connected - JetBlue would want more than 11.

Also, with CO's move to A, how many continuous gates would there be for AirTran to utilize?

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User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3577 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
Are the noise abatment procedures out dated? The planes these days don't seem to make a lot of noise.

Unless, of course, we are talking about AA & DL's numerous Shady 80's, which TO ME seem louder than any 747's operating out of BOS (BA/AF/LH).

Just an observation.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11411 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 18):
more E space would help with the Int'l problem.

Are they ever going to build the second international arrivals area at the end of AA's end of Terminal B, or has that plan now been permanently shelved?


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 23):
Are they ever going to build the second international arrivals area at the end of AA's end of Terminal B

I remember a lot of that expansion of the north side of Terminal B was AA's doing. I remember the announcement to great fanfare (even the governor showed up), but with the downturn after 9.11, AA was already committed to the JFK expansion and shelved the BOS expansion (much in the same way that DL was already committed to Terminal A and shelved the JFK terminal renovations). So, I'm not sure if the FIS area will only be built if AA goes ahead with that construction. I know that that second checkpoint would be situated so it could be accessed from both the AA and US sides. Then again, given how chronically shortstaffed CBP is in Terminal E, I heard that even if Terminal A did have customs controls, CBP wouldn't staff it. I imagine that'd be a similar situation for Terminal B if FIS were to be constructed.

Unfortunately, what Logan lacks the most in (aside from land for growth) is vision. Massport have absolutely no vision, except the ones in their heads of where they're next going on holiday with their 6-digit salaries.

LH423



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25 Ejmmsu : NW and CO do well with shared lounges because both the WC's and PC's have very high standards. (High quality snacks, self service drinks, free Wi-Fi,
26 Post contains images Commavia : The way it was described to me, by a former high-up at AA in BOS, was that AA was already set and ready to go with the FIS facilities at BOS, even af
27 LH423 : *begin rant* Depends on the day, but yes, maximum 10 arrivals between the two. Two LHR, SDQ, MAN, CDG, and maybe a CUN each (does US still have the B
28 COERJ145 : As I stated in my past post, if Massport got Airtran to go to A along with CO, then they could shift NW down 2 gates to include the Airtran gates. NW
29 Post contains images ScottB : I wouldn't exactly call it a prime piece of real estate; it has one huge flaw in that it is on the non-sterile side of security. There had been a Cro
30 AviationAddict : As far as I know B6 would take the CO gates in ADDITION to the ones they already have (which would stick us right in the middle of a B6 party). I don
31 AviationAddict : It'd be awesome if they could lengthen 15L/33R to around 10,000 ft., but that'll probably never happen. Too much money and the environmental impact w
32 Post contains images HighFlyer9790 : I jumped ahead of myself. i know 33L is not CAT III, however another west/northwest runway is crucial to help ease traffic flow. 27 would be the ULTI
33 AviationAddict : We could rant about everything at BOS for a long time...
34 B752OS : Which is why Massport needs to put FIS in Terminal A badly as has been mentioned. Just think of the relief that Terminal E would see by having AF and
35 HighFlyer9790 : O hell yessss.... Thing is, as much as i would like to see more Int'l serivce, the "Terminal C" airlines like Airtran and jetBlue are rapidly expandi
36 Cubsrule : The FL gates are fairly bright and airy now. The concession choices are limited (nonexistent?), but NW's current gates are in equally bad shape, and
37 LH423 : Actually, E4 has always been common user. LX use that gate on most days. Last year Massport was able to convince NW to give up E3B and AZ's FCO fligh
38 GLAGAZ : GLA-BOS will be daily. GLA-NOC-BOS will be 2x weekly... Gaz
39 DALMD88 : You have a very slow watch. Yes it can be done in 10, I have done it to catch the Massport Logan Express bus. I only did it on a dead run on the movi
40 HighFlyer9790 : Massport + bussing 300 people + no room + it massport again = NO WAY! its a miracle BOS is a good as it is. busing passengers, to the average mind, i
41 Lemurs : It's not something small to dismiss either. BOS is a big business travel market for CO, with many people using them for commuter service to/from EWR.
42 B752OS : Now I know DL has 2 crown clubs in terminal A, do you, or anyone, know how large and nice they are? I would assume they would be pretty decent given
43 Cubsrule : FL makes a lot of grandiose claims. Ask the folks at DFW how it worked out for them.
44 Ejmmsu : All CRC's, regardless of how new they are, have inferior snack selections to PC's and WC's, and do not have free Wi-Fi.
45 Lemurs : Right...it's not that they're not nice. I''ve been in very nice CRC's. They're just not PC's or WC's. The WiFi thing is huge for me, since I tend to
46 RL757PVD : Im sure FL would be alot bigger in BOS had it not been for B6's expansion!
47 Ejmmsu : I know you can buy CRC memberships with miles, but i can't remember how many it costs. Also, CRC's used to free for platinums on DL, however, that is
48 DeltAirlines : The BOS CRC does offer free wi-fi now. Went through there about three months ago and asked for one of the broadband cards and the agent informed me it
49 BosWashSprStar : LAX had basically the exact same thing on the drawing board, but last I knew I think it was scrapped there as well. A shame, because both airports ha
50 PHLBOS : IIRC, didn't NW utilize those 3 gates years ago? On the airside of the terminal where the 3 jetways connect the building; there's still some small 70
51 Jetlanta : Free WiFi is coming soon to all CRCs. As far as the snacks go, too bad. CO & NW charge for alcohol. DL doesn't. Its a trade-off. Do you want to be a
52 Lemurs : No they don't. They do charge for top-shelf alcohol if they have it, but otherwise they have cocktails, beer, and wine, for free. As for the rest of
53 Ejmmsu : That is a step in the right direction. Its a great first step in getting the CRC's up to the high standards of the PC's and WC's. This is not true...
54 Jetlanta : First off, I stand corrected on the alcohol. My understanding was the opposite. It was hardly assinine, just mistaken. There is a big difference. I d
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