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KLM Fleet? & More  
User currently offlineB764 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 753 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

After my wonderful flight on KLM 612, I want to know more about this wonderful airline.

What does KLM stand for/meaning?

There long-haul fleet looks to consist of MD-11, 777-200, 747-400(M), 330-200. Anyone know how many of each are in the fleet and how many more, if any, deliveries are scheduled for the 777 & 330? Also, would anyone have the registrations for their long-haul fleet. Especially interested in their 747s, 330s, & 777s. To give someone a challenge, could they list the city or name of the aircraft with the registrations.

Besides bringing a 74M to ORD, would anyone care to share where the long-haul aircraft fly to Summer/Winter Schedules.

To those who work for KLM, kudos to you for providing excellent service and having a wonderful airline.

Thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6618 times:

http://www.klm.com/travel/corporate_...anisation_facts/index.htm?id=21979

Here you can find a pdf file with their fleet. It is often out of date though.

Quoting B764 (Thread starter):
What does KLM stand for/meaning?

Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij (Or Royal Airline in englinsh)

Quoting B764 (Thread starter):
To give someone a challenge, could they list the city or name of the aircraft with the registrations.

Check airfleets.net. They usually also list the names of the aircraft. They have a fleet of about 100 aircraft, so listing all names here would be a bit much...



L1011,733,734,73G,738,743,744,752,763,772,77W,DC855,DC863,DC930,DC950,MD11,MD88,306,319,320,321,343,346,ARJ85,CR7,E195
User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5028 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6540 times:

In short:

MD-11: 10
747-400: 22 (+ 3 freighters)
777-200ER: 14
A330-200: 8

On order: 1 more 777-200ER, 2 more A330-200s, and 4 777-300ERs.


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6443 times:

KLM is having Problems with th MD-11, the KL 671 to YUL is often in the last month being swap for B744 and B772, even SXM de the occasional B744 in replacement...

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6177 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 2):
On order: 1 more 777-200ER, 2 more A330-200s, and 4 777-300ERs

One more B772ER (PH-BQP) and one more A332 (PH-AOK) will be delivered this month. The final A332 (PH-AOL) and the B77W frames are scheduled for delivery starting early 2008.


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6137 times:

Quoting B764 (Thread starter):

What does KLM stand for/meaning?

You can find a lot if information on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5891 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 4):
One more B772ER (PH-BQP)

Is this plane ILFC owned? How many 772ER are leased from ILFC?

AFAIK, PH-BQP is listed as 773-306ER, could you please confirm?

Regards, Fyano

[Edited 2007-04-11 01:37:19]

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5871 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 1):
Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij

Isn't KL's full legal name "Koninklijke Nederlandse Luchtvaart Maatschappij" (just that the Nederlandse or N was skipped from the abbreviation)? Otherwise, KL wouldn't be known in English as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5655 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 6):
AFAIK, PH-BQP is listed as 773-306ER, could you please confirm?

PH-BQP is KLM's last B777-206ER on order and has been assigned number 630 on the production line. The aircraft will be leased from ILFC. KLM's 4 B777-306ER on order will be registered PH-BVA/B/C/D.


User currently offlineKLAM From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

It is cool you liked the flights on board KLM, personnally I find their service very respectful like in the old days, you feel you are travelling instead of being transported (as you would feel onboard other safety obsessive carriers, this doesnt mean KL is not safe, in fact I feel safer on board KL than on any other carrier).
The list of the names of planes is on airfleets as Kappel already said "http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/KLM.htm", however I can summarize it up for you (106 operating aircraft):

B747-400s are named after cities,
KLM Asia aircraft have the following names: Mexico City, City of Rio de Janeiro, City of Calgary, Dubai, City of Paramaribo, Hong Kong, and Freetown
B747-400F are named Oranje, Leeuwin, and Eendracht.
B737-300 are named after important male scientists... ex. Niels Bohr.
B737-400 are named after important explorers... ex. Vasco da Gamma, Christopher Columbus.
B737-800 and -900 are named after birds... ex. Hawk, Swan, Goose, and the new wingleted (PH-BXV) which is called something like red breast (a kind of nice birdie)
B777-200ER are named after world landmarks... ex. Darjeeling Railway, Chichen Itza, Kilimanjaro, though this is mountain.
A330-200 are named after important (and not so important) world squares... ex. Dam Amsterdam, Potsdammer Platz.
MD-11 are named after important women, such as Audrey Hepburn, Florence Nightingale, Mother Theresa, Ingrid Bergmann...

The 747-300 were named after bridges if my memory works correctly,

I hope this works.
Regards
KL-AM



flyOM
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

Quoting KLAM (Reply 9):
The 747-300 were named after bridges if my memory works correctly,

No, that were the 763's. The 743's were IIRC inventors.



L1011,733,734,73G,738,743,744,752,763,772,77W,DC855,DC863,DC930,DC950,MD11,MD88,306,319,320,321,343,346,ARJ85,CR7,E195
User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5028 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

Quoting KLAM (Reply 9):
The 747-300 were named after bridges if my memory works correctly

Those were the 767s. The 747-300s had names like Leonardo Da Vinci, Sir Geoffrey de Havilland, etc.


User currently offlineKLAM From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 10):
No, that were the 763's. The 743's were IIRC inventors

LOL that´s true... sorry for the mistake.
BTW does anybody know how were the 742 named?

Sorry once again for the mistake.

KL-AM



flyOM
User currently offlineB764 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 753 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5444 times:

KLAM: Your right, it felt like the old days of flying.

I went to airfleets and got the registrations. Now I was wondering if someone could help with the destinations served by the long-haul fleet from AMS. As I flew KLM 1007 I know they use an A332 to LHR. Any heavies used on other short routes?


User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

Quoting KLAM (Reply 12):
BTW does anybody know how were the 742 named?

rivers (Mississippi, Rhein, Ganges etc)


User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

Quoting B764 (Reply 13):
Any heavies used on other short routes?

Not on a scheduled bases.
When KL and AZ worked together a few years ago, KL operated the B767 to MXP once a day, and KL also used to fly with the B767 to SVO and with a MD11 to LIS/OPO.

Quoting B764 (Reply 13):
destinations served by the long-haul fleet from AMS.

JFK, EWR, IAD, ORD, ATL, IAH, LAX, SFO, YYZ, YUL, YVR, MEX, GRU, CUR, AUA, SXM, PBM, UIO, GYE, LIM, JNB, CPT, EBB, ABV, LOS, KAN, CAI, JRO, DAR, NBO, ACC, HYD, DEL, KWI, AUH, DMM, DOH, DXB, HKG, CTU, PVG, MNL, PEK, BKK, TPE, KUL, SIN, CGK, NRT, KIX, ICN, ALA (TIP/TLV:operated with B737)

I think I got them all.


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Quoting KLAM (Reply 9):
A330-200 are named after important (and not so important) world squares... ex. Dam Amsterdam, Potsdammer Platz.

I've always found this theme pretty random as tough they were short of ideas...they should have done like their DC10's...name them after famous composers .

Quoting KLAM (Reply 9):
B777-200ER are named after world landmarks... ex. Darjeeling Railway, Chichen Itza, Kilimanjaro, though this is mountain.

To be more precise its all places that have been named by UNESCO as world heritage!  airplane   wave 



A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 1):
Here you can find a pdf file with their fleet. It is often out of date though

I know what pdf file you are talking about and I realy want to have it again, but I can't find it on their website anymore, do you have the direct link to it?

Thanks in advandged



have a good day, Stefan van Hierden
User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5311 times:

Quoting KLAM (Reply 9):
B777-200ER are named after world landmarks...

except for the PH-BQA which is named after Albert Plesman (founder of KLM)

Quoting KLAM (Reply 9):
The 747-300 were named after bridges if my memory works correctly



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 11):
The 747-300s had names like Leonardo Da Vinci, Sir Geoffrey de Havilland, etc

to be more specific:
All 206B's with P&W engines (BUA-BUG) and 206B's with GE engines (later cvtd to-SUD) (BUO-BUR) were named after rivers. The others where named after persons who had an important role in aviation history.

DC-10's were named after composers
A310's were named after (Dutch) painters, with the PH-AGd beeing renamed in "Marinus Ruppert" (commisioner of KLM)
DC-9's were named after (European) cities
DC-8-33/53 were named after after persons who had an important role in aviation history
DC-8-63 were named after explorers



"The world is just a click away!"
User currently offlineJoemonster From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5218 times:

Quoting SK601 (Reply 15):
Quoting B764 (Reply 13):
Any heavies used on other short routes?

Not on a scheduled bases.

I know it wasn't scheduled but i remember seeing a KLM 747 at LHR on one of my few trips down. I think it was a 747-200SUD?  Confused
I just thought  Wow!  bigthumbsup  because it was such a surprise. I think it was about 10 years ago now....


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

Quoting Morvious (Reply 17):
know what pdf file you are talking about and I realy want to have it again, but I can't find it on their website anymore, do you have the direct link to it?

Hey you are right, it's gone! I wonder why. I will check if it's anywhere else on the site..



L1011,733,734,73G,738,743,744,752,763,772,77W,DC855,DC863,DC930,DC950,MD11,MD88,306,319,320,321,343,346,ARJ85,CR7,E195
User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

I personally love KL. I fly to AMS with MP from MCO on a 767, and then countinue on to BEY with KL on a 737. I can not stress how much more comfortable I feel on board KL 737 than MP 767. Anyone could see the difference.

User currently offlineLexer From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting KLAM (Reply 9):
B747-400F are named Oranje, Leeuwin, and Eendracht.

Beautiful names, they're all named after old ships of the VOC (Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie, or United Dutch East Asia Company)


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Quoting SK601 (Reply 15):
JFK, EWR, IAD, ORD, ATL, IAH, LAX, SFO, YYZ, YUL, YVR, MEX, GRU, CUR, AUA, SXM, PBM, UIO, GYE, LIM, JNB, CPT, EBB, ABV, LOS, KAN, CAI, JRO, DAR, NBO, ACC, HYD, DEL, KWI, AUH, DMM, DOH, DXB, HKG, CTU, PVG, MNL, PEK, BKK, TPE, KUL, SIN, CGK, NRT, KIX, ICN, ALA (TIP/TLV:operated with B737)

I think I got them all

You forgot BON, THR as well as KRT and ADD. Good job though. Easy to forget a couple.


User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5076 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 23):
You forgot BON, THR as well as KRT and ADD

OEPS! How is possible to forget BON, when I did list GYE/UIO  
I even was asigned for the THR and KRT/ADD flights last week.   , I guess I need to leave AMS and take a vacation....

[Edited 2007-04-11 19:19:21]

25 Jwenting : Same convention as the -300s, there was no distinction in the fleet between them (in fact KLM referred to all their -200s as -300s in all publication
26 HB-IWC : That would be KL1007/1008, now daily with A332.
27 LTU932 : OK, I see now.
28 Viscount724 : I believe, technically, KL never had any 747-300s. They had 747-200s, of which the later GE-powered ones were modified with the stretched upper deck
29 Vrille : KLM certainly does had the 747-300 namely; PH-BUU "Sir Frank Whittle". Went to Phuket Air in 2003 currently registered as HS-VAC. PH-BUV "Sir Geoffre
30 KLAM : Does anybody know how will they call the 77W´s? This will be a very nice plane to fly with (Any chance of getting these in MEX?) I do hope they dont
31 Steve332 : Do they not regularly have A330s in LHR on a scheduled service?? I know they used to fly A300s there everyday.
32 Starglider : KLM operated A310s, not A300s. Regards, Starglider
33 KL5147 : KL never operated the A300, but they operated the A310, and indeed these were used on the European network. (LHR, CDG)
34 Karan69 : Does anyone know what aircraft type they operated to DXB in the past--i had flown them on DXB-AMS-DXB and it was a 747---[the year was May 1996]--i wo
35 Airpearl : I must add to the accolades for KLM - having not flown them for some time, I flew KL yesterday (April 11) from CGK to KUL - the service was top notch
36 Post contains images Steve332 : Why yes, yes they did only have A310s! Sorry my bad   [Edited 2007-04-12 13:24:02]
37 HB-IWC : The 4 B77Ws on order will be registered PH-BVA/B/C/D and will be operated in a 35J/393Y configuration, including a 10-abreast seating in the economy
38 LH744 : Your plane was PH-BFT named after the city of Tokyo. KLM indeed was short on ideas, that´s why they started a competition among its customers to sen
39 Post contains images SK601 : I read this as well, somewhere. 4 more seats than in KL's B747 full pax, which is 42/382. Is the B777-300 cabin wider than the B777-200? If so, I und
40 Post contains images Kappel : Nope, it's the same... What will the seat pitch be like? Standard 31" or wil they increase it somewhat to offset the slimmer seats? IIRC the seats wi
41 JRadier : With the initial routes (YYZ and GRU) being mainly low yielding tourist destinations (YYZ is mainly VFR traffic) I think there might be a good reason
42 Post contains images Jwenting : cheers. Logical given the replacement of the 763 with the 332, but logic isn't always applied when management decisions are made
43 HB-IWC : I wouldn't be surprised at all if the B772ER fleet would end up as 10-abreast eventually, but I guess that KLM will wait and see what is the customer
44 Mk777 : When does KL bring their B772ER to IAD?? Is it this summer or will they continue with their A332s.
45 HB-IWC : B772ER service to IAD starts Sunday, July 01.
46 Lfutia : oh man... I was hoping to see PH-BQT and they name it the Taj Mahal. Leo
47 Lexer : That was a 747-300 (or 200SUD). I believe they flew AMS-Dubai-Karachi. There was also a AMS-Abu Dhabi-Colombo on a 743/2SUD
48 Ph-kca : PH-BUA "Mississippi / The Mississippi" PH-BUB "Donau / The Danube" PH-BUC "Amazone / The Amazon" PH-BUD "Nijl / The Nile" PH-BUE "Rio de la Plata / R
49 PH-KCA : Oops, these 3 B742s I didn't included in my previous post. PH-BUO "Missouri / The Missouri" PH-BUP "Ganges / The Ganges" PH-BUR "Indus / The Indus" An
50 Vunz : And those named after people in aviation were combi's the others full pax
51 Post contains images AirPortugal310 : Just an opinion... KLM's A330's are some of the most beautiful birds flying out there.
52 Viscount724 : Thanks for the correction. I'd forgotten that KL did have the 3 factory-built -300s. One other question in case anyone knows--Why are the names on ea
53 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : I'm so glad to read all the positive experiences from all of you on your KLM flights. I will be flying KLM for the first time in six weeks, ORD-AMS, A
54 VC10DC10 : I'm guessing it's because one side features the name in Dutch, with the other side showing the English name.
55 Aviopic : It won't be BQO for a while as I just heard that this morning the wing is damaged when it rubbed a wall in hangar 11. Damage doesn't look to bad thou
56 HB-IWC : That's too bad and will definitely have an impact on the operation. KLM is also short of A332 capacity, as the next A332, PH-AOK, is being delivered
57 Aviopic : Add the MD11 misery to that aswell. Today's flight to Montreal(KL0671) is delayed as many MD flight's are delayed lately.
58 Post contains images Mk777 : I think KLM might to lease some planes till theirs can be delivered. Why such a late slot in getting their last A332 and the B772ER?? Anyhow, i am ho
59 Post contains images SK601 : Yesterday's KL409/410 delay and today's KL651/2 and KL455 cancellations have nothing to do with A332 capacity....The reason is that there is no cockp
60 Post contains images Mk777 : How i wish i were a pilot...!!
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