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ANA To Phase Out All 747-400s In 3 Years  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14856 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-long-haul-fleet-within-three.html

ANA is on the path to phase out all 747-400s within 3 years. 777-300ER is currently flying routes operated by 744, Paris and Frankfurt will be the last 2 long-haul cities to get 77W. London will see 77W from 24MAY on alternating days but to be daily by 2007/08 Winter timetable

Quote:
ANA executive vice-president international relations Katsuhiko Kitabayashi says all the domestic 747-400s will also eventually be replaced with smaller aircraft, although a final retirement date has not yet been set. "We prefer frequency rather than capacity," he says, adding ANA is looking to sell its remaining 747-400s "as soon as possible".

Kitabayashi does not see a need for domestic 747s after a fourth runway opens up at Tokyo's Haneda airport in 2010. The new runway will give carriers extra slots to increase frequencies on domestic routes and to launch international services to other Asian countries.


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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14721 times:

Oasis has been desperately looking for 747-400s so it wouldn't surprise me to see them snap up as many ex-ANA 744s as possible.


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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14662 times:

So much for people on A.net who are convinced that ANA "...will see the light..." of buying an A380 to keep up with the "big boys" of Europe and the Middle East! Of course, ANA does know its market pretty well.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17343 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14629 times:

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 2):
So much for people on A.net who are convinced that ANA "...will see the light..." of buying an A380 to keep up with the "big boys" of Europe and the Middle East!

I think we'll see quite a few carriers ditching the 744 for slightly smaller twins, particularly NW, BA, and UA. Doesn't bode well for the 748 and particularly the A380.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14565 times:

Most people don't want to sit in the airport 8 hours to catch the once daily connecting flight with 550 people to whatever other major city they are flying to. If you can have 2 smaller planes - cover the route twice as often, and avoid the hassle of 550 people at the gate area, why not do it? I can think of only a few airports on earth so tightly restricted on slots that VLA's like A380 and 748 are a necessity.

Moreover, smaller aircraft are more flexible, a 777/787/A330/A340/A350 sized aircraft can cover a thinner route, or put 2 or 3 of them on covering bigger routes. A380 can only be used on heavy density high traffic routes.



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14473 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
ANA is on the path to phase out all 747-400s within 3 years. 777-300ER is currently flying routes operated by 744, Paris and Frankfurt will be the last 2 long-haul cities to get 77W. London will see 77W from 24MAY on alternating days but to be daily by 2007/08 Winter timetable

It will be interesting to observe their views about the A380/B748i in about 5 years. They may not see a need for them at this present time, although as soon as AF,LH,EK,QF,SQ,TK and others start to pressure the Japanese market they will have to react.

It's also interesting to note that many still think that all A380 operators will be opting for a 550 configuration. SQ and QF will be below 500. What do you think they will be doing with that extra space? Something that the A350X/B787/B777/A340 can not provide with out great loss of revenue.


Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineT773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14403 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
ANA is looking to sell its remaining 747-400s "as soon as possible".

Maybe Boeing will buy one, in order to expand their fleet of LCF's and keep pace with a faster delivery schedule on the 787.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14357 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):

It's also interesting to note that many still think that all A380 operators will be opting for a 550 configuration. SQ and QF will be below 500. What do you think they will be doing with that extra space? Something that the A350X/B787/B777/A340 can not provide with out great loss of revenue.

A great loss of non premium revenue, which may not be much of a loss at all. If airlines thought there was enough price insensitive demand to dedicate more space to high yielding premium seats, they would do so even if it significantly reduced economy seating.

By the way, is there a list of airlines planning to fly A380s to Japan?



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14357 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
What do you think they will be doing with that extra space?

Nothing secretive: just greater proportions of premium seating, nothing smaller aircraft can't also accommodate

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
I think we'll see quite a few carriers ditching the 744 for slightly smaller twins, particularly NW, BA, and UA. Doesn't bode well for the 748 and particularly the A380.

BA will opperate the 747-8 or A380 (or both). There isn't much doubt about that. They probably won't opperate as many large aircraft in the future relative to their current fleet of 57 744, but the likelihood of BA following ANA in moving entirely to "smaller" aircraft like the 773ER is practically zero.

A fleet of 10-15 A380 or 30-40 747-8 is still a distinct possibility at BA.

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
ANA is on the path to phase out all 747-400s within 3 years.

As the article mentions, the retirement date for the domestic 747-400D isn't established yet so there will still be 747 in ANA's fleet past 2010. I would expect a 787-3 add-on order to follow once the retirement plans for the 744D are known.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14340 times:

Quoting T773ER (Reply 6):
Maybe Boeing will buy one, in order to expand their fleet of LCF's and keep pace with a faster delivery schedule on the 787.

Wouldn't surprise me. They're alrady working on the 3rd which should be finished soon and will start mods on the fourth shortly. I think Boeing is planning to procure about 2 more 744s to convert into Dreamlifters.



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User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 824 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14320 times:

Quoting CX747 (Reply 1):
Oasis has been desperately looking for 747-400s so it wouldn't surprise me to see them snap up as many ex-ANA 744s as possible.

Oasis already bought 3 of ANA's 744, to be deliver this month, may and later this year.

edited for typo.

[Edited 2007-04-10 21:36:49]


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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14303 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 4):
If you can have 2 smaller planes - cover the route twice as often, and avoid the hassle of 550 people at the gate area, why not do it?

cost of extra set of landing slots, an extra aircraft needed for the route, an extra set of pilots, possibly more cabin crew. this could reduce profit margins.

remember for lots of routes frequency is irrlevant. for many long haul routes many flights leave within a very narrow flight window.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14288 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):

It's also interesting to note that many still think that all A380 operators will be opting for a 550 configuration. SQ and QF will be below 500. What do you think they will be doing with that extra space? Something that the A350X/B787/B777/A340 can not provide with out great loss of revenue.

I see it this way, if EK can put 380 happy people on its 773ER and SQ is putting only 100 more in its A380, how can the A380 be achieving competitive CASM. The only thing that makes A380 CASM competitive is its incredible passenger capacity...



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14254 times:

Did Excel/ Travel CIty not buy some ANA 744s?

User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13948 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Doesn't bode well for the 748 and particularly the A380.

747-8 wasn't and never considered. A380 popping up and off several times

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
as soon as AF,LH,EK,QF,SQ,TK and others start to pressure the Japanese market they will have to react.

ANA has been carefully with yield management, unless they're confident to fill like 200 business class/first class seats on A380 on all flights, then the chances is pretty slim.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17343 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13940 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 14):
747-8 wasn't and never considered.

???

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 8):
BA will opperate the 747-8 or A380 (or both). There isn't much doubt about that

I'm not convinced about that; it depends how much they value Y traffic.



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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13929 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
It will be interesting to observe their views about the A380/B748i in about 5 years. They may not see a need for them at this present time, although as soon as AF,LH,EK,QF,SQ,TK and others start to pressure the Japanese market they will have to react.

Why? What pressure are they going to feel from those airlines operating the A380. Remember, Japanese companies tend to think 10-15 years down the road when they make a decision. You may find that those airlines you mentioned will start feeling the pressure of having to constantly fill those behemoths. All it takes is one SARS incident except with a different disease even to make those things a giant drain hole on the finances. One event like a 9/11 could break an EK who bought 43 of those things. Surely you are not implying that they will be pressured by something as idiotic as some perceived prestige of the Whalejet! Because I can assure you, they won't.  Yeah sure

There are bunch of Airbus afficionados who claim that the luxurious extras that the A380 can accomodate will determine its fate. I would say that those extras will go away very quickly if and when we get sustained prices of $70.00/bbl of crude and they need the extra revenue that space could bring by way of seats.


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4695 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13878 times:
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Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 12):
I see it this way, if EK can put 380 happy people on its 773ER

at 10 across in Y!


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13839 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
ANA is on the path to phase out all 747-400s within 3 years. 777-300ER is currently flying routes operated by 744, Paris and Frankfurt will be the last 2 long-haul cities to get 77W. London will see 77W from 24MAY on alternating days but to be daily by 2007/08 Winter timetable

Of course. The 747-400 is clearly too large for slot-restricted airports like NRT and LHR.


User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13755 times:

I think this is a smart move by ANA. Swtiching to smaller, more fuel-efficient aircraft, will allow ANA to offer more frequencies, while lowering its fuel costs.

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13703 times:
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Gosh, they only took delivery of ther newest -400 six years ago.

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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13692 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
It will be interesting to observe their views about the A380/B748i in about 5 years. They may not see a need for them at this present time, although as soon as AF,LH,EK,QF,SQ,TK and others start to pressure the Japanese market they will have to react.

Many airlines purchased 747s to compete with other 747 equipped airlines. Those who no longer needed them utilized smaller aircraft. This is why you no longer really see American 747s on transatlantic routes and even on some transpacific flights. The type of aircraft used is irrelevant on any particular flight, only the economics of using such aircraft.

Even in California, PSA attempted to use the L-1011 and the economy of scale for intra-California flights. This experiment failed and most flights within the state use only narrowbodies.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30571 posts, RR: 84
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13521 times:
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Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 19):
I think this is a smart move by ANA. Swtiching to smaller, more fuel-efficient aircraft, will allow ANA to offer more frequencies, while lowering its fuel costs.

They don't even need to offer additional frequencies, frankly, if the most profitable part of their demand curve doesn't require it. They just may not want to get into a "capacity war" with SQ, LH, EK, IT, QF, AF, KE, and all the other A388 operators flying into and out of NRT.

Instead, they'll just concentrate on carrying a couple hundred passengers a day at a stable, fat profit margin instead of a few thousand a day on razor-thin margins that only work when they do carry a few thousands folks.


User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13409 times:

honestly, i didnt expect it this soon. Who are the tentative buyers?


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4751 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12607 times:

how many long haul passenger model B 744s does ANA still have flying in its colors? Oasis, PIA, Air India, Virgin Blue might put them to good use.

25 DfwRevolution : Twelve Virgin Blue probably won't deviate from the 773ER, even though they are going to have to wait to get them.
26 AirFrnt : You know... I have seen all this logic before. Oh yes, it was Pan Am and TWA, who bought the 747 and started their spirals of doom when they could no
27 Carpethead : Ten. They really only need seven to fill its int'l schedule. Of the remaining three, one flies usually domestic routes and two are, I suppose spares.
28 AndesSMF : How times change. I have a book from 1991 that states that ANA had 42 747-400s on order.
29 Carpethead : Some of those were probably options. Still they did take 23 of them. Darn the pesky 777s, if not the 744Ds would have replaced the remaining 747SRs.
30 QF744ER : JA403A, JA404A and JA405A all for O8, these are the newest one in the ANA fleet. JA8904, JA8905, JA8096, JA8097, JA401A and JA402A all for Air Atlanta
31 NA : Rubbish. More frequency = more airplanes = more accidents = more noise = more fuel consumption = more pollution = more crews to pay for = more expens
32 Scouseflyer : CASM isn't everything you know - those 480 pax on a SQ A380 will be paying massively more on average than the 380 squashed into a T7 - it's about how
33 Jfk777 : Seeing what is happening to JAL may be making ANA conservative for the moment. 773ER are fine airplanes and very well configured by ANA in four classe
34 Yellowstone : Bad comparison. Taxis charge the same amount no matter how many people are actually in the car. And the difference in fare between the two is far gre
35 Irobertson : It baffles me as to why there's all this speculation that ANA's decision spells doom and gloom in the future for four-engined designs like the 747 and
36 NA : The A380 is quieter than any 777, and I expect the 747-8I to perform similarly.
37 Post contains images Stitch : Because NH's and JL's decision supports the views of both the pro-A388 and pro-787 crowd. To the pro-A388 crowd, "all flight paths lead to LHR" so al
38 SparkingWave : We are witnessing the official beginning of a new era - transpacific fragmentation. Just as transatlantic crossings were fragmented during the 1980s a
39 Post contains images Glideslope : Your wrong. People want frequency, and direct flights. The Hub system is dying. The 350 will be A's future. Not the 380. Just wait until 500-600 peop
40 EK413 : I've said it said it once before that the B747 days are numbered as a pax variant... Twins are the future of long-haul travel... EK413
41 SkyyMaster : Thank you for repeating what I've said on at least a dozen other threads. As cyclical as the airlines industry is, another major downturn will reek h
42 Cloudy : People want flights that are MORE direct, but that does not mean the end of the hub system. For international travelers, fragmentation will mostly me
43 Jimyvr : And your common theory is not rubbish? If everyone follows your theory I bet probably 50% of the carriers will close their doors down tomorrow.
44 Post contains images Stitch : The dominance of hubs will continue to subside, but it will not disappear. If anything, the 787 and A350XWB will foster the creation of new hubs, tho
45 Ikramerica : Hey, if this turns out to be true all over the world, if every carrier buys A380s because they see a few airlines have them, if the history of the 74
46 Post contains images Stitch : And I'll cover the chaser.
47 Zvezda : No. It's the other way around. Consider the price elasticity of demand. To sell more seats (e.g. 480) one has to offer them at a lower price than one
48 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : And yet another carrier will soon switch to the 2-engine-only boredom... ...until the need for the A380 comes, of course. (When the day when flights
49 Danny : Demand exists for a certain route not for a certain aircraft flying it. Serving that route with larger equipment does not have to mean lower prices.
50 Flysherwood : Thank you Zvezda. Some A.netters need a reminder of simple economics! People need only look as far as JAL to see what happens when you have overcapac
51 YOW : And what if those 100 extra seats are all premium pax making SQ's RASM way, way higher? In this case, the difference between RASM and CASM is what's
52 AndesSMF : At one point of time they almost had 100 747s of different types. And don't forget SQ. They had over 50 744s at one point of time IIRC.
53 Zvezda : If one doesn't care about filling the seats, that's true. Look at it this way: An airline sets fares for a route with 1x daily service. Based on that
54 AndesSMF : IIRC from my old aviation books, they were expected to have the largest 744 fleet at one point. It was a race between SQ, JL and BA.
55 NA : Welcome to boredom!
56 Jimyvr : AF is actually considering putting A380 on 2 daily flights from 2009.
57 Bmacleod : Guess that puts an end to those persistent rumors of ANA ordering the 747-8I. Still sad to see another STAR member dumping the 747. (AC was the first;
58 Spacecadet : People need to stop making this argument for ANA and JAL. Increased frequency in many cases cannot even work in Japan. Certainly not on most of the r
59 Danny : Here is your error. You assume an airline can only fly static number of passengers. But traffic will triple over next 20 years and you can win those
60 Flysherwood : Did you read the article? Japanese corporations do not make strategic decisions on 5 year time lines, especially not a capital intensive industry suc
61 RJ111 : Instead of winning extra passengers though you could always charge the existing ones more. This may or may not turn out more profitable than chosing
62 Danny : If you were monopolist then yes. But staying with small aircraft and high prices while competition will offer same level of service at lower cost may
63 Stitch : Depends on what part of the demand curve that traffic is drawn from. WN and B6 greatly expanded traffic in the United States, but that was because th
64 AndesSMF : But WHERE will it expand is the question. If you look at traffic growth for developed countrie, you will notice that it basically matches the % of po
65 SEPilot : The 748 will have a long and happy life as a freighter. The A380's future is less certain.
66 Stitch : Plus the hubs just can't physically handle triple the number of people now. Runway slots and gates are not the only thing in short supply. You can re
67 Ikramerica : So they are going to remove capacity at one time of day and add it at the less desirable time? If there was demand for the capacity of the A380 twice
68 Carpethead : Hardly, the three major trunk routes HND-FUK/CTS/ITM have a year round LF of only around 65 to 70%. There are certain seasonal fluctuations particula
69 Ikramerica : Exactly. Japan and much of the Western EU are declining or are projected to top out and decline in population. Now, maybe everyone gets richer and tr
70 EK413 : I love the B747 but sadly the days of the quads ruling the skies have come to the end and a new generation of Twins will take over... I believe the A
71 AndesSMF : Let's not forget that. With a stable or declining population. there will be minimal growth in these areas. I certainly hope developing countries beco
72 Ikramerica : Me too, but I was talking about the EU and Japan specifically, and flights between the two, and why the need for A380s on these routes isn't there no
73 XT6Wagon : Even better you can avoid having to "drop off" people to catch a plane from another airline you are in an alliance with. So instead of hauling 550 pe
74 Easyas321 : Isn't the range of domestic 744's much less than international 744's (don't know the model number)? Am sure Oasis wouldn't want 744 with stuff all ra
75 ZK-NBT : Nobody said O8 were taking 744D's because they aren't. Yes the range of the 744D is significantly shorter than that of a normal 744. What engines do
76 DfwRevolution : All Ge
77 Zwaving : Further to the reference of the luxurious trimmings advertised on the A380. How long will they last? Does anyone remember the "Upstairs lounge" on th
78 Easyas321 : the quoted article only mentions 744D's !!!!!
79 AndesSMF : That was what I was trying to convey. Developed countries do not have much passenger growth, and the 747 has slowly disappeared from their fleet.
80 Sllevin : You have to be very careful with that statistic. Yes, it says air traffic will triple -- but that doesn't mean that every route will increase. Specif
81 Post contains images Phishphan70 : no....the article states Haneda is only domestic for ANA...so why would international 744 movements have anything to do with another runway opening u
82 Carpethead : NRT is both a O&D & transit hub similar to LHR. Being in a similar geographic position on tranpac flights to tranatlantic flights to LHR, NRT is a ve
83 ZK-NBT : Read the rest of the article under the link. It certainly didn't say O8 will be buying domestic 744's. Not entirely sure what you mean here read the
84 Post contains images Zvezda : That is completely orthogonal to my point. On any given day, on any given flight, whether tomorrow or twenty years from now, one can sell more seats
85 XT6Wagon : yes, lower MTOW. Interestingly enough it looks like Boeing offers a 744F based on the 744D which has truely insane efficency as a freighter. No idea
86 Danny : On a single day with all other factors unchanged yes. But these are kindergarten assumptions, never work in real world.
87 XT6Wagon : uh no Its basic economics, not rocket science. Economics tells you that a rare commodity will cost more than a common one given equal demand. If I ha
88 Scorpy : I'm pretty sure the 744D can be converted to regular spec.
89 Danny : Exactly my point. Very, very basic theory like they teach on university but not applicable to aircraft and demand for airline service over years whic
90 Aaron747 : Not really sure what kind of market pressure you're anticipating. Remember that the vast majority of Japanese travelers, particularly high yield trav
91 Stitch : Probably, but at some performance penalties due to structural modifications made to allow it to perform high-cycle operations.
92 QF744ER : Yep...some of ANA have been swapped and switched between 744D config. Air Atlanta is taking both JA401A and JA402A which are currently B747-481D's, th
93 Cloudy : A better comparison is the MD11.... 1. Last plane made with an old technology (the wide bodied trijet-MD11, aluminum fusalage-A380). 2. Delays. 3. Pe
94 SkyyMaster : Excellent point. Much like the US deregulation and new treaties with European nations made JFK less significant as a transfer point in the 80's, futu
95 RJ111 : That will be the 747-800. There's no solid evidence of that.
96 Flysherwood : I have news for you. EK and AF cannot touch the service level that ANA provides. SQ is on its own level and prices their product accordingly.
97 Stitch : Actually I prefer NH New Style F to SQ F, but I have not tried SQ's new "Super F" on the 773ER. Anyway, to each their own, really. AF's new F looks pr
98 Flysherwood : They all have nice F and J products. I refer to the F/A's of ANA as compared with AF and EK and the service at the airport when flying with ANA.
99 Carpethead : Hardly an option on non-Tokyo routes, but the bulk of the high-yield travel does originate in Tokyo area from Japan. Actually, I know many co-workers
100 Zvezda : The WhaleJet is more comparable to the DC-7 than to the Concorde.
101 Cchan : A bit off topic here, does anyone know how much longer will Fokker 50s stay in the Air Central fleet for? Thanks.
102 Qantas744ER : After a certain number of cycles NH and JL convert their 744D's to standard 744's reactivating all fuel tanks and adding winglets. This is done so th
103 Ikramerica : Yes. It's done for airframe/cycle management. They already have more 744D capable aircraft than they need, so they have some outfitted as regular 744
104 Aaron747 : ANA operates the GE CF6-80C2 on all of its 744 fleet.
105 Tsentsan : FYI that N106UA is sitting in SIN remote bay wearing BLUE SKY colours, without engine #4.
106 AF022 : When is Air Atlanta going to get their hands on these aircraft?
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