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The End Of LH At CLT?  
User currently offlineAT777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 193 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8671 times:

I really don't want this to happen and hopefully it won't.

I've seen that LH has stopped sending the A343 and started the A333.
Is this the beginning of the end for LH at CLT?

Also...Anymore info on BMI coming to CLT?
It would be nice to see two International carriers here!

Thanks for your comments.

Ashley from CLT

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8647 times:

Why should it be a downgrade? The A333 has roughly the same seat capacity as most A343s (at least according to Seatguru.com (I know, probably not a very reliable source).

User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8647 times:

Quoting AT777 (Thread starter):
It would be nice to see two International carriers here!

You already have two. Big grin



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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8635 times:

I wouldn't have any concerns about LH at CLT.

User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8625 times:

As long as they build BMW's in South carolina there will be LH service

User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8625 times:

The LH 333 has more F/J seats than the A340-300 so this can be a measure to improve profitability

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8608 times:

Quoting AT777 (Thread starter):
I've seen that LH has stopped sending the A343 and started the A333.
Is this the beginning of the end for LH at CLT?

No, it's not. It is right-sizing the market.

Quoting AT777 (Thread starter):
Also...Anymore info on BMI coming to CLT?

They aren't.



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User currently offlineUnited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8520 times:
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Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 4):
As long as they build BMW's in South carolina there will be LH service

Along with that, the Star Alliance connections. Correct me if I am wrong but I do believe that LH serves every major Star Alliance Carrier hub in the USA accept for LAS, and then some

IAD, SFO, LAX, DEN, ORD=UA
PHL, PHX, CLT=US



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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8508 times:

Quoting United319 (Reply 7):
PHL, PHX, CLT=US

No PHX just yet...


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 8):
No PHX just yet...

They used to serve us here in PHX to FRA (as did LTU to DUS), but left. They again were to serve us or DEN, they chose DEN. Sure sould be nice for another European carrier (other than BA) to Europe. Maybe US will serve FRA.

Who knows and time will ultimately tell.



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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8470 times:

US has apparantley expressed interest in flying PHX-FRA. I think it will be a matter of first come first serve between LH and US to see who services the route. I wouldn't be surprised if PHX-FRA were served as soon as next Winter or Summer 2008.

User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8460 times:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 4):
As long as they build BMW's in South Carolina there will be LH service

Actually, that's GSP that they operate into for the BMW stuff. No reason to fly to Charlotte just to have to drive a couple of hours down to Greenville when you can fly into just-as-capable GSP.



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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8400 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 11):
Actually, that's GSP that they operate into for the BMW stuff. No reason to fly to Charlotte just to have to drive a couple of hours down to Greenville when you can fly into just-as-capable GSP.

From FRA. No. CLT is the biggest airport closest that is a Star Alliance Hub.



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User currently offlineMikeyCpvd From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 162 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8387 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 11):
Actually, that's GSP that they operate into for the BMW stuff. No reason to fly to Charlotte just to have to drive a couple of hours down to Greenville when you can fly into just-as-capable GSP.

Last time I checked, Greenville-Spartanburg didn't have scheduled n/s pax flights to Europe; thus the original point being made that you can fly into CLT on LH and connect to GSP on a 45 min US-Express flight.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8319 times:

I think PIT will see the A380 before CLT loses LH  Wink


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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8281 times:

Quoting MikeyCpvd (Reply 13):

Last time I checked, Greenville-Spartanburg didn't have scheduled n/s pax flights to Europe; thus the original point being made that you can fly into CLT on LH and connect to GSP on a 45 min US-Express flight.

The point was not about passenger service, but about BMW manufacturing. Thus, they have European cargo flights that come into GSP regularly.

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 12):
From FRA. No. CLT is the biggest airport closest that is a Star Alliance Hub.

Right, I understand. I guess I worded that a little weird, what I meant is that flights relating to the the BMW manufacturing would not be using CLT, but rather GSP.



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User currently offlineAT777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8186 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 2):
You already have two.

I know LH, but I can't think of the other one. Maybe Jazz?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
They aren't.

Was there not talk of BMI coming? I know I saw it in the paper here in CLT that more than likely they were coming in the next 6-12 months. Maybe i'm wrong then and something happened I didn't see.


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8159 times:

Quoting AT777 (Reply 17):
I know LH, but I can't think of the other one. Maybe Jazz?

Yup.. 2 international carriers of Lufthansa and Air Canada Jazz..

what shocks me is that Bahamasair doesn't offer some flights to CLT on their medal since they codeshare with US.. but, I wonder a lot of stuff.. so oh well..



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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1343 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8081 times:
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Quoting AT777 (Thread starter):
I've seen that LH has stopped sending the A343 and started the A333.
Is this the beginning of the end for LH at CLT?

I am merely speculating here but the equipment swap to the A333 may have simply been an opportunity to optimize the aircraft used to serve the route. I couldn't imagine A343 capabilities were needed to fly FRA-CLT (although I don't know what effect the A333 "downgrade" may have had on cargo revenue if any).



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8019 times:

Quoting AT777 (Reply 17):

Was there not talk of BMI coming? I know I saw it in the paper here in CLT that more than likely they were coming in the next 6-12 months. Maybe i'm wrong then and something happened I didn't see.

A high-up at bmi, referring to the new US-EU Open Skies agreement, briefly mentioned Charlotte as a possibility. In reality, he was just spewing out random cities. bmi will find plenty of US cities to expand to pending getting new aircraft. Charlotte will most likely not be one of them. It was a one-off comment.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 18):
what shocks me is that Bahamasair doesn't offer some flights to CLT on their medal since they codeshare with US.. but, I wonder a lot of stuff.. so oh well..

Not that surprising. They have a limited fleet and cater to the VFR market. They need their 732s for FLL and MIA flights. US Airways flies CLT-NAS. Bahamasair has no need to.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

Quoting MikeyCpvd (Reply 13):
Last time I checked, Greenville-Spartanburg didn't have scheduled n/s pax flights to Europe; thus the original point being made that you can fly into CLT on LH and connect to GSP on a 45 min US-Express flight.

...or just hop on 85 and be in Greer in ~75 minutes.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7873 times:

Yeah, you'd think those BMW types would rather drive...


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User currently offlineDank From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 915 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7861 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Why should it be a downgrade? The A333 has roughly the same seat capacity as most A343s (at least according to Seatguru.com (I know, probably not a very reliable source).

 checkmark  It seems to me that it is probably putting the right aircraft on the route in terms of range, etc. Depending on the seating configuration LH flies 343s and 333s with the same number of seats by cabin(seatguru 333 #1 and 343 #2, for example) and both fleets have different mixtures of premium/economy seating (does any other airline fly so many different configurations of multiple models?). Why fly a 343 on a route that the 333 can handle? If they swapped with a 332, that would have been a different story (I assume all of the 332s are out of the fleet by now?).

Cheers.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7861 times:
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Quoting AT777 (Thread starter):
It would be nice to see two International carriers here!



Quoting AT777 (Reply 17):
Quoting Walter747 (Reply 2):
You already have two.

I know LH, but I can't think of the other one. Maybe Jazz?

what about US ? I would have thought that they would have been the most obvious international carrier at CLT or don't you consider CLT-LGW / CLT-FRA / CLT-Caribbean / CLT- Canada / CLT-Central America / CLT-MEX etc to be international flights



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

LH decided to keep some A333 aircraft at the MUC hub, so as to keep the cockpit crews based there trained for the type. As such a couple of destinations had to be chosen for MUC-based A333 service, and LH likely made the best fit for both the market and the aircraft rotation schedule.

25 LTU932 : I guess the switch might also come from the fact that LH has more A333s available, so they can shift the A343s to longer routes. Correct. The ex SR A
26 Dank : Exactly. Seems like now that they have more 333s, they can use them on the shorter routes (particularly since equivalent premium density seatings app
27 Stylo777 : probably you mixed it up with PDX which they serve from FRA
28 PanHAM : Ad-hoc charters yes, the regular cargo flights go to HSV or ATL, depending which freight forwarder is used. The goods are pre-cleared and trucked to
29 Flyboy7974 : All last year when the word spread that another international carrier was coming to PHX, everybody thought and talked about LH reentering the PHX mark
30 SailorOrion : LH has changed their fleet policy in 2007. Until then all the aircraft were practically based in FRA, and a bunch of them was temporarily based in MUC
31 AT777 : I know USAirways is an International carrier. What I was talking about is another international carrier. Like for instance, AF, BA, MX.
32 Cubsrule : CLT isn't that big. The metro area is just slightly larger than Milwaukee, for instance, and they have no international carriers. There have been per
33 Post contains images SailorOrion : Well, I'm not sure what the takeoff performance of the 333 versus the 343 is, but the 343s fly out of MUC with 1500' elevation without much hassle, bu
34 CV880 : If CLT were to extend RW 5-23 to the end of the new 18-36W, that wouldn't ever be a problem, would it?
35 Viscount724 : Why do you consider that a downgrade? The 343 and 333 are basically the same aircraft apart from the engines and obviously the longer range of the 34
36 Steeler83 : Right. I believe the general configuration of an A343 is 2X4X2 in coach. I looked at US' configuration for the A333, and it's the same...
37 LTU932 : If US can successfully operate the A333 out of CLT to FRA and/or MUC, then LH shouldn't have problems with them as well. In fact, LH's A333s may perf
38 Cubsrule : Correct. I'm wondering if the 333 will actually have better runway performance than did the 343 in the summer.
39 Post contains links SailorOrion : LH's 330 and 33M layout: (330 = A330-300 based in FRA, 33M = A330-300 based in MUC iirc) http://www.lufthansa.com/cdautils/mediapool/media_436139.pdf
40 Post contains images MD90fan : Not really bro Considering US runs 14 weekly flights on the route, with UP codesharing as well. Besides if UP expands to the US again, you will see m
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