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Longest Route For The A346?  
User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13940 times:

What is the longest route served by the A346? and who is operating this flight? And does the A346 have the legs to do a LHR to HNL flight? Or rather the A346X?


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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13914 times:

I would presume that it's CX on those HKG-JFK runs.

I don't think LH uses them on those super-long routes.



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User currently offlineGemini573 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13823 times:

I would have to agree with Ktachiya. I think it's CX on the HKG-JFK run. It was the world's longest flight at one time until SQ introduced their ultra-long haul flights to SIN from LAX and JFK.

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13779 times:

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 2):
I would have to agree with Ktachiya. I think it's CX on the HKG-JFK run. It was the world's longest flight at one time until SQ introduced their ultra-long haul flights to SIN from LAX and JFK.

I thought SA)">CO's EWR-HKG beat CX's HKG-JFK (if only by a few miles)

I know at one point SA has them scheduled for non-stop JNB-IAD, I do not know for sure whether it ever actually flew it, but if it did, that is the longest A340-600 route flown, or really that could be, as it would be coming into IAD on vapors (remember winds).




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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13771 times:

I'd also agree...CXs JFK run

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*Edited to correct a misunderstanding...oops!

[Edited 2007-04-11 07:40:39]


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User currently offlineCyba From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13516 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 1):
I don't think LH uses them on those super-long routes.

FRA-PVG-MNL, FRA-ICN or MUC-LAX are probably the longest LH routes currently.

I flew the 346 on FRA-EZE-SCL couple of years back. Route stopped when they routed EZE via GRU with a 744.

VS's LHR-HKG-SYD is also a rather long one.


User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 1):
I would presume that it's CX on those HKG-JFK runs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that flown with the 345 and not the 346?

LHR-HKG, LHR-LAX is probably some of the longest currently flown by the 346 I'd say

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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13443 times:

Well AFAIK LH flew them diretly to SCL some years ago

User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13416 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 6):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that flown with the 345 and not the 346?

CX has no A345s in its fleet.

Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
And does the A346 have the legs to do a LHR to HNL flight?



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 1):
I would presume that it's CX on those HKG-JFK runs.

LHR-HNL is 6289nm long, while HKG-JFK is 7014nm. The A346 has a range of 7750nm.

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfam...0a340/a340-600/specifications.html

[Edited 2007-04-11 12:53:32]

User currently offlineGemini573 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13179 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 8):
while HKG-JFK is 7014nm

HKG-JFK is 8059 nautical miles. If it was as you quoted for HKG-JFK, then it would be shorter than LAX-HKG, which is 7248 miles.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13129 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
I know at one point SA has them scheduled for non-stop JNB-IAD

This flight operates via Dakar

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 9):
HKG-JFK is 8059 nautical miles

its not. The figure Oceansworld posted is correct


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13102 times:

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 9):
HKG-JFK is 8059 nautical miles. If it was as you quoted for HKG-JFK, then it would be shorter than LAX-HKG, which is 7248 miles.

I've got the info from Great Circle Mapper, but do you speak in miles (mi) in both case or in nautical miles (nm) ?

Here's what GCM shows for both routes:

HKG-JFK 7014nm or 8072mi

LAX-HKG 6309nm or 7260mi


User currently offlineSteve332 From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13083 times:

Do SQ not operate SIN - EWR on a 346??

User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13076 times:

Quoting Steve332 (Reply 12):
Do SQ not operate SIN - EWR on a 346??

No, it's with an A345.


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User currently offlineSteve332 From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13046 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 13):
No, it's with an A345.

Cheers,


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12996 times:

We have a CX 346 pilot (Zeke) who looked it up and says he flew 8600nm HKG-JFK. Westbound close along Hawai because of wind.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...=3350404&s=zeke+a340-600#ID3350404 reply 100


User currently offlineGemini573 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12919 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 11):
I've got the info from Great Circle Mapper, but do you speak in miles (mi) in both case or in nautical miles (nm) ?

Here's what GCM shows for both routes:

HKG-JFK 7014nm or 8072mi

LAX-HKG 6309nm or 7260mi

My apologies. That's what I get for not having my morning coffee.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12347 times:

Two other long A340-600 routes are China Eastern (PVG-JFK) and Iberia (MAD-SCL).


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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12180 times:
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Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
What is the longest route served by the A346?

SA: IAD-JNB = 7068nm (8134 miles)

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 2):
It was the world's longest flight at one time until SQ introduced their ultra-long haul flights to SIN from LAX and JFK.

IIRC that title belonged to SA on the ATL-JNB sector at 7334nm (8439 miles)  Smile


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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12144 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 15):
We have a CX 346 pilot (Zeke) who looked it up and says he flew 8600nm HKG-JFK. Westbound close along Hawai because of wind.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...=3350404&s=zeke a340-600#ID3350404 reply 100

Reply 86, isn't it? Maybe he means air nautical miles.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
thought SA)">CO's EWR-HKG beat CX's HKG-JFK (if only by a few miles)

Why?

Quoting Gemini573 (Reply 2):
I think it's CX on the HKG-JFK run. It was the world's longest flight at one time until SQ introduced their ultra-long haul flights to SIN from LAX and JFK.

Wasn't SAA still flying ATL-JNB when SIN-LAX started? If so, JFK-HKG never got the chance to be longest.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4260 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12144 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 8):
LHR-HNL is 6289nm long, while HKG-JFK is 7014nm. The A346 has a range of 7750nm.

Can anybody tell me why my LHR-JFK flight on a VS A346 was "weight-listed" last year? I figured that the CSA was blowing smoke when she told me that, even if the winds aloft were pretty bad and the flight completely full.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12111 times:
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Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
I know at one point SA has them scheduled for non-stop JNB-IAD



Quoting VHVXB (Reply 10):
This flight operates via Dakar

The other way round then, SA208 IAD-JNB is non-stop. 8,134mi or 7,068nm



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12078 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
but if it did, that is the longest A340-600 route flown, or really that could be, as it would be coming into IAD on vapors (remember winds).

....the flight would only be nonstop eastbound, and still would've been shorter than SA's previous ATL-JNB nonstops.


User currently offlineVS773ER From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11629 times:

How come no one has mentioned VS- LHR-SYD (Via HKG).That's over 8000nm isn't it?
The topic starter didn't state non-stop routes!


User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10489 times:

Quoting VS773ER (Reply 23):
How come no one has mentioned VS- LHR-SYD (Via HKG).That's over 8000nm isn't it?



Quoting Cyba (Reply 5):
VS's LHR-HKG-SYD is also a rather long one.

 Smile

LHR-HKG-SYD is clearly the winner, it seems.



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25 OceansWorld : For a direct flight yes. The route is 9189nm or 5209nm and 3980nm.
26 EA772LR : As far as efficiency goes, tho not completely comparable in seating capacity, how does the 346 stack up against the 744 or 744ER? And why on earth do
27 Jfk777 : Cathay Pacific's JFK to Hong Kong is the longest regulary scheduled A346 flight. Virgin Atlantic has many 14 hour flights from Asia to LHR but they ar
28 VHVXB : Cheers Andz. So SA hold the title for the longest non-stop flight for the A346
29 Chrisrad : I think you mean "wait-listed" meaning people waiting to get on the flight, nothing to do with "weight"
30 ComeAndGo : The two extra engines are heavy. There's nothing much they can do except get rid of the extra engines.
31 Flybyguy : Incidentally, I flew the CX JFK-HKG flight this past December on a trip to see some friends. That flight was unbelievably long (17.5 hours) when the
32 9VSRH : According to the CX CFP i have in front of me CX830 has a Total Distance of 8375nm. This was from a few days a go and distances may vary from day to d
33 Post contains images Ikramerica : Exactly, but that's another massaged statistic the certain pilot used to try to prove a particular fuel burn figure that was rigged for that argument
34 Zeke : I think you will find it was a random route with a requirement to be past a waypoint by a specified time so as not to interfere with the PACOTS (Paci
35 LAXdude1023 : Wow really? I flew EWR-HKG on CO a few years ago when I spent a summer working in NYC and the flying time was right at 15:15 going and 15:20 coming b
36 Zeke : What is said it the flight time of 15-18 hrs is what the aircraft does day in day out, the route cannot be flown in 7000 nm, in either direction, the
37 Post contains images Kevin777 : Which is exactly what they're doing now at Airbus, I guess... as another a.netter put it recently: The A350: 2 good 2 need 4 engines... But the 346 i
38 Cloudyapple : You seemed to have been VERY confused with what you were trying to present. The flight-planned waypoint to waypoint distances, when summed up, would
39 YULWinterSkies : That route being ~ 1000 km shorter than JFK-HKG, I would assume so. Now, does the A346 have the right capacity to do a LHR-HNL flight? Well, look at
40 ComeAndGo : Yes, but … who in Europe wants to go to Honolulu ? It's like, say you live in Vancouver and you decide to go skiing in Switzerland . Who would ever
41 ConcordeBoy : I don't think there's any shortage of people who would or do go.... hell, how many religious black gay boys from southeast Louisiana do you think wan
42 Viscount724 : LH tried FRA-HNL nonstop with a 342 or 343 soon after they put the 340 into service but it didn't last long. Possibly a year or two maximum, about 3
43 Post contains links Flybyguy : Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 35): Wow really? I flew EWR-HKG on CO a few years ago when I spent a summer working in NYC and the flying time was right at
44 Gigneil : The 346 blows the 747 away, just as the 777-300ER does. That has little to do with it. The aircraft itself is structurally inefficient. They could ha
45 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...true, very true. Indeed, though "question" is-- why did they choose not to?
46 OldAeroGuy : The rules for establishing a distance record for the NAA state that: - No more than three turnpoints are allowed in setting a distance record between
47 Timz : "LAX" and "JFK" meaning the VORs there? Or some arbitrary lat-lon on the airport? What was the lat-lon north of Midway? Any idea what the turnpoints w
48 OldAeroGuy : Don't know, but probably the same Lat/Lon used by Great Circle Mapper. About 35N, 180W Don't know.
49 Zeke : Aerodrome referance point, often where the rotating tower beacon is.
50 SunriseValley : I regularly monitor CO99 and CX831 on FlightAware or FlightStats. One day earlier this week CO flew EWR-HKG eastbound and CX flew JFK-HKG westbound. T
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