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Caribbean/Caribe/Caraïbes Aviation Part 13  
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

Greetings members and guests  old 

After 1822 posts, the Caribbean/Caribe/Caraïbes Aviation is on our 13th Chapter

For new members and returning members alike, here are our previous threads

Caribbean/Caribe/Caraïbes Aviation Part 12 (by MD90fan Mar 22 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Caribbean/Caribe/Caraïbes Aviation Part 11 (by MD90fan Mar 5 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Caribbean/Caribe/Caraïbes Aviation Part X (by MD90fan Feb 22 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Caribbean/Caribe/Caraïbes Aviation Part 9 (by MD90fan Feb 14 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Caribbean/Caribe/Caraïbes Aviation Part 8 (by MD90fan Feb 5 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Caribbean/Caribe/ Caraïbes Aviation Part 7 (by MD90fan Jan 27 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Caribbean Aviation Part 5 (by BWIA 772 Dec 18 2006 in Civil Aviation)
Caribbean Aviation, Part 4... (by MD90fan Nov 30 2006 in Civil Aviation)
Caribbean Aviation, Part 3.... (by A388 Nov 17 2006 in Civil Aviation)
Caribbean Aviation News Part Deux... (by Captaink Oct 31 2006 in Civil Aviation)
Any Caribbean Aviation News? (by MD90fan Oct 16 2006 in Civil Aviation)
Bwia To Be Closed (by BWIA 772 Sep 3 2006 in Civil Aviation)

News from the Caribbean....(not much gern on)


* MD90fan just got back from CUN
* JM renegotiating prices on Airbus fleet?
* New Dominican carrier starting up with MD-80s?


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Cheers,
Devan

P.S: Trip Report Coming Soon.

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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

Didn't know JM keep their relation with Airbus.
As for an A340 replacement, best would be an A330. More economical than an A340 and carry more excess baggage than a B757.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineAUA747 From Aruba, joined Jul 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7222 times:

Hi everyone,

I just read it on www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl (unfortunately its in dutch) that American Eagle wants to start service from SDQ to AUA and CUR. These routes could be successful, however American Eagle need to adapt the local culture if it wants these routes to be successful. In the past American Eagle operated AUA-BON, after ALM and Air Aruba filed for bankruptcy, however it failed mainly because the locals had trouble with the crew almost every week because of the rudeness of the crew. I am very curious about this development.

AUA747


User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7202 times:

Thanks MD90 once again for this forum.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz...TEE____BILLION_NEEDED_BY_AIR_J.asp

Loooks like the gov't is going to borrow some more for JM to keep flying.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
As for an A340 replacement, best would be an A330. More economical than an A340 and carry more excess baggage than a B757.

Yes, the A330 also offers more flexibility with regards to routes

Quoting AUA747 (Reply 2):
I just read it on www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl (unfortunately its in dutch) that American Eagle wants to start service from SDQ to AUA and CUR. These routes could be successful, however American Eagle need to adapt
the local culture if it wants these routes to be successful. In the past American Eagle operated AUA-BON, after ALM and Air Aruba filed for bankruptcy, however it failed mainly because the locals had trouble with the crew almost every week because of the rudeness of the crew. I am very curious about this development.

Hello AUA747,

AA has operated SDQ-SXM in the past using AE ATR-72 equipment

With regards to the SDQ service I think this is one of the plans for AA to operate a hub of sorts in SDQ. Below is provided an excerpt from a Dominican source.

Quote:

dr1 Daily News

DR to become a AA hub?

American Airlines is planning to use DR as an international hub. This conversion, which will begin next June, is part of an AA expansion in the country. Eduardo del Pozo, director for AA in the DR, announced that AA has requested permission from the Civil Aviation Department for two flights from Santo Domingo to Port-au-Prince, one flight from Santo Domingo to Curacao, and one flight from Santo Domingo to Caracas. AA transported more than one million passengers in 7,000 flights between the DR and USA last year. This is the second year in a row that AA reaches hits the million passengers transported on Dominican routes. Cargo traffic on AA flights has also increased. In 2005 50.2 million pounds were shipped, increasing to 57.9 million in 2006. AA manages an average of 30 flights a day from the DR and has been in service in the country for 32 years. Del Pozo was critical, nevertheless, of the US$70 tax per fare, saying that it makes the DR more expensive than Jamaica and Mexico, affecting its competitiveness.



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 3):
Thanks MD90 once again for this forum.

No problem comrade  bouncy 



http://www.devanwells.blogspot.com/
User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

Took a while, but I found this thread.  Smile

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
Didn't know JM keep their relation with Airbus.
As for an A340 replacement, best would be an A330. More economical than an A340 and carry more excess baggage than a B757.

JM should be ETOPS certified, right? I remember them using the A310s on the LHR routes many years ago. If that's the case, then the A330s could be a good fit.



God did not create aircraft pilots to be on the ground
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7152 times:

About that AA SDQ expansion, Those flights from SDQ to points not in the U.S. or Puerto Rico will be tag-on fifth right of the flights coming from there even with equipment change?


I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineAUA747 From Aruba, joined Jul 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
AA has operated SDQ-SXM in the past using AE ATR-72 equipment

Hey MD90fan,

I think AE still has one daily flight from SDQ-SXM a side of the three daily SJU-SXM. On the route SDQ-AUA Carib Air is the only one serving it. We had VH who did operated it for a while but discontinued this. CUR still has VH service to SDQ few times a week.

Insel Air was planning to start service to SDQ, I don't know if they started this already.


User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7104 times:

I’ve been doing a lot of flying between USA and POS on Continental. On one of my earlier flights this year, the schedule flying time from POS-IAH was 6 hours 15 minutes. From take off at POS to landing in at IAH it actually took us a little over 6 and ½ hours. Close to pushing to pushing 6 hours 45 minutes.

We took off out of POS heading east. We flew past Trinidad east coast and then (to my surprise) headed southeast (towards Africa). We flew southeast east for about 7 minutes. (After 5 minutes, I was thinking to myself we better turn soon if we plan on going to the IAH.) We finally turned heading south and then turning to the southwest to northwest. After about another 5 minutes we hit the east shore of Trinidad again. We flew over the very south tip of the island because I cause see all the oil tanks and trains out into the Ocean on the southwest of Trinidad. Then we flew over Venezuela and continued to head northwest to Houston.

I fly this route a lot and this flight did not seem to follow CO typical route flow to IAH. It seemed that we went a lot further south and west than the normal route.

Does anyone know how long a 737-800 fly can? I know flights to and from POS carry a lot of luggage (weight). And right before landing I was thinking CO must be pushing the aircraft limits after flying for close to 6 hours and 45 minutes. How close were we to empty?

Going to from IAH to POS flight time was 5 and ½ hours. Going back to from POS to IAH Continental schedules an additional 45 minutes of flight time. I notice this seems to be used only in the winter and in the summer flight times seem shorter. Does anyone know if there is a strong headwind at those latitudes?

I have yet to figure out why CO would of flow so far southeast of Trinidad.

When I first started to fly this route from IAH-POS, CO used to list the service on my ticket as First Class, but on the last few flights starting this year, I noticed it has changed to First/BusinessFirst. I know they do not have BusinessFirst seats in the 737-800, but the service is. I get choice of meals and had a five course meal. On my last flight we had, warm cashews, followed by Salmon with Caviar, then a salad with pecans and a mini baguette, followed by main dish which was a steak fillet with shrimp, and finished with an ice cream sundae with all the toppings.

The flights I am on always seem to be full. Does anyone think CO might upgrade this route to a 757-200 as they get more 737s?

On a different subject, I at least go to Tobago every time I in Trinidad for a little R&R. I notice that Caribbean people do not like to sit in the exit rows. Every time I get in line to check in on Tobago Express. I hear agents at the ticket counter trying to get everyone in front of me to take an exit row seat, but it seem like no one wants it. I always have ended up getting a seat in the exit row. I know here in the USA exit row seats go for a premium (at least on CO). Why is it people in Trinidad and Tobago seems to avoid the exit row seats on Tobago Express?



Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3254 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7094 times:

Some interesting observations CO777DAL. That seems an unusual route that the flight took from POS, that is normally the route taken by flights to GEO and PBM. Perhaps it had to do with weather or traffic conditions around POS at the time.

As for the TAB services, the reluctance to take the exit seats stems from unwillingness or inability to use the exits if required in an emergency - perhaps Trinis do not make a big fuss over the better legroom (but with the flight lasting just 15 minutes that is not really an issue).

TrinToCan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7088 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 4):

AA has operated SDQ-SXM in the past using AE ATR-72 equipment

They still do. American Eagle operates this flight daily.



a.
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7086 times:

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 8):
Does anyone know how long a 737-800 fly can? I know flights to and from POS carry a lot of luggage (weight). And right before landing I was thinking CO must be pushing the aircraft limits after flying for close to 6 hours and 45 minutes. How close were we to empty?

CM flies them EZE-PTY, GRU-PTY - don't know if MVD-PTY too. Those are much longer than POS-IAH.
Since you fly that IAH-POS-IAH route often, Do you think a IAH-POS midnight departure would be better than the current IAH afternoon departure / late evening POS arrival?



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently onlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 11):
Do you think a IAH-POS midnight departure would be better than the current IAH afternoon departure / late evening POS arrival?

I don't think so. I think that the IAH-POS traffic is mostly O&D and the current times are perfect and convenient for travellers. The CO flight is also one of the first evening arrivals and so clearing immigration and customs is easy- before the rush of Caribbean Airlines and AA flights.

What advantages would there be for a midnight departure- other than perhaps good a/c utilization for CO?

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7050 times:

Quoting AUA747 (Reply 7):
Insel Air was planning to start service to SDQ, I don't know if they started this already.

They started the once weekly flight on February 22, 2007

Quote:

7I 801 7 SDQ SXM 1140 1300 0 25feb07 30dec07 M83 1:20
7I 503 4 SDQ CUR 1530 1655 0 22feb07 27dec07 M83 1:25



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 6):
About that AA SDQ expansion, Those flights from SDQ to points not in the U.S. or Puerto Rico will be tag-on fifth right of the flights coming from there even with equipment change?

I'm assuming the aircraft will be based there or operate the routes during times when the aircraft would normally be idle.

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 8):
Does anyone think CO might upgrade this route to a 757-200 as they get more 737s?

Nope, especially as the 757s are re-positioned for (largely) trans-atlantic routes.

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 8):
Does anyone know how long a 737-800 fly can?

The newest ones, according to Boeing can do 3,060 nautical miles (5665 km).



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9966 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7034 times:

Quoting AUA747 (Reply 2):
I just read it on www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl (unfortunately its in dutch) that American Eagle wants to start service from SDQ to AUA and CUR. These routes could be successful, however American Eagle need to adapt the local culture if it wants these routes to be successful.

Flying SDQ-CUR with an ATR? That will be one crappy flight, especially with Caribbean people on board. I have my serious doubts about the success of this flight. Caribbean people love BAGGAGE. Not are you pushing it to fly SDQ-CUR on an ATR but the aircraft doesn't even have the cargo capacity that is demanded for such a route.

Insel Air already flies CUR-SDQ v.v. with an MD83 which is a good aircraft for this route. VH also flies CUR-SDQ daily and 9H is also considering the route using the F100. With the rumours of a new Dominican airline starting up they better start flying to CUR fast in order to catch a piece of the pie. There is demand between the Dominican Republic and Curacao but not for 3-4 airlines. 2-3 airlines might do it (as VH seems to have crappy service on the route) but definately not more.

A388


User currently onlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 14):
Flying SDQ-CUR with an ATR? That will be one crappy flight, especially with Caribbean people on board.

AA does SJU-POS with the ATR and has huge successes. Trinis travel with loads of baggage and the ATR handles it just fine- albiet with a few 'balancing' problems! The route is over 600m while the CUR-SDQ route is about 430m. I'm sure the ATR would be fine for a flight that lasts less than 2 hours! AA is competitive with their pricing and if they are pursuing a mini-hub/ focus city in SDQ then this flight will definitely be among its routes!

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7022 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 15):

AA does SJU-POS with the ATR and has huge successes. Trinis travel with loads of baggage and the ATR handles it just fine- albiet with a few 'balancing' problems! The route is over 600m while the CUR-SDQ route is about 430m. I'm sure the ATR would be fine for a flight that lasts less than 2 hours! AA is competitive with their pricing and if they are pursuing a mini-hub/ focus city in SDQ then this flight will definitely be among its routes!

If it was a "huge successes" it would be upgraded.



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User currently offlineJMBWEEBOY From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7004 times:

JM TO FLY FORT LAUDERDALE-BARBADOS NON-STOP!

Today I learned from a very well placed source high up at the Barbados Tourism Authority that JM will announce in July startup of service later this year daily Fort-Lauderdale-Barbados non-stop.

This will obviously help fill a void for travelers who were left with nothing other than AA from Miami after BWEE's departure early this past January. JM will avoid on one hand direct competition with AA at Miami on this route but will enjoy market pull from not only Broward County (largest North American West Indian population) but from Palm Beach County to the North and surely some Dade County too.

JM will also be able to feed its BGI-GND and BGI-UVF flights with this Fort Lauderdale traffic assuming flights are timed accordingly.

JMBWEEBOY


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6997 times:

American Eagle is planning to launch daily non-stops from Santo Domingo to Aruba and Curacao this summer, and two daily flights to Port Au Prince. The daily flight to Caracas is unlikely to start this summer because they are unlikely to get Venezuelan government approval in a timely manner. They are still waiting for Miami-Valencia approval, it's been almost six months!


a.
User currently onlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6988 times:

Quoting JMBWEEBOY (Reply 17):
Today I learned from a very well placed source high up at the Barbados Tourism Authority that JM will announce in July startup of service later this year daily Fort-Lauderdale-Barbados non-stop.

Caribbean Airlines was rumoured to be looking at this route. CAL better watch it since JM is being quite aggressive in pursuing market share in traditional BWee territory!

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9966 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6978 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 15):
AA does SJU-POS with the ATR and has huge successes. Trinis travel with loads of baggage and the ATR handles it just fine- albiet with a few 'balancing' problems! The route is over 600m while the CUR-SDQ route is about 430m. I'm sure the ATR would be fine for a flight that lasts less than 2 hours! AA is competitive with their pricing and if they are pursuing a mini-hub/ focus city in SDQ then this flight will definitely be among its routes!

AA1818

Hey AA1818, what's up. It is just my opinion that the SDQ-CUR route operated with the ATR will not be that big of a success because of the aircraft used. You mention the success of the SJU-POS route but do they have direct competition on this route? I haven't heard of any direct competition on this route while the SDQ-CUR route does have direct competition from at least two airlines who both fly the much larger and much more comfortable MD82/83. An ATR will not be able to compete effectively with these aircraft purely because of its size, both passengerwise as well as cargo wise.

Even so, I do wish American Eagle all the best and welcome them back in CUR as they recently stopped flying SJU-CUR which was performing poorly. Good luck to American Eagle and CUR, welcome back!! Big grin Big grin

A388


User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6956 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 19):
Caribbean Airlines was rumoured to be looking at this route. CAL better watch it since JM is being quite aggressive in pursuing market share in traditional BWee territory!

Davies and crew needs to take a hard look now.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6951 times:

Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 21):
Davies and crew needs to take a hard look now.

They won't do anything.

CAL is stretched with it's current fleet of ~6 738s (?), and with a sensible management now I doubt they would waste precious aircraft to engage in a pissing match with JM.



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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6913 times:

"NFS Workers May Have Deal Soon" (Nassau Guardian) http://www.thenassauguardian.com/national_local/289374739974485.php

"Two Dead In Berry Islands Plane Crash" (Bahama Journal) http://www.jonesbahamas.com/?c=45&a=12276



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 22):

Current ops call for 4 aircraft so I dont see how CAL fleet can be stretched!!! If they go ahead with FLL at most that may be 3 times per week couple that with 4 BGI JFK services that is the 5th aircraft.

BWIA 772



Eagles Soar!
25 WestIndian425 : When is the first quarter report for CAL due to come out?
26 AUA747 : With the dutch antilles area they were not that successful due to competition. AE served SJU-AUA in the past with ATR aside of the B757 of AA. AE dis
27 CO777DAL : Thanks for all the answers everyone. No I do not. Every time I get to the gate at IAH it appears that the vast majority of the passengers are Trinidad
28 Post contains images MD90fan : You may want to check out: There is some Air Tahiti flights (PPT-Gambier) that are block at 3:55. AE's SJU-SLU, SJU-AUA, SJU-GND are all 2+ hours, bu
29 Post contains links and images BWIA 772 : CAL celebrated 100 days of operation on April 10 Interesting http://caribbean-airlines.com/mother.html BWIA 772[Edited 2007-04-12 20:20:11]
30 2travel2know : I asked because red-eyes flight work from California to Centralameirca (5+ hour flights too) and go over 2 time zones just like the IAH-POS. I would
31 Trintocan : Caribbean Airlines must certainly look closely at itself; it has in a fell swoop surrendered the Eastern Caribbean market to JM in many ways and the R
32 A388 : As I have mentioned earlier, there seems to be some truth to the leasing of one 738 from Caribbean Airlines. HV will be leasing 9Y-GEO for the coming
33 Beeweel15 : Seemed Extreme it was way beyond extreme that the most profitable destination was just thrown to the side. The remaining airlines have taken major ad
34 BWIA 772 : I have to agree as there seems to be no clear rational for dropping BGI especially to JFK. The best thing that I could come up with is that CAL decid
35 Post contains images A388 : I know it doesn't make sense to lease out their aircraft while Caribbean Airlines needs the aircraft themselves but more people in the Netherlands ar
36 Beeweel15 : How funny many many folks said the same things to the old BW many many years ago when JM first started to move into to the old traditional BWee terri
37 Post contains links and images MD90fan : Hey guys my trip report is up: AS To Cancun For Spring Break (27+ Pics) (by MD90fan Apr 13 2007 in Trip Reports) Feel free to comment
38 Post contains links and images BWIA 772 : The Concorde Museum BGI had its official opening ceremony Thursday and will be open for business from Monday . The museum is interactive. The followin
39 Captaink : I think it may be a little different this time around. While Caribbean Airlines replaced BWIA, it is not BWIA. I think there was some serious allegie
40 Post contains images BWIA 772 : Very true. JM came in and BW only fought when JM eyed POS. BW could afford to do that because it had it loyal customers with the most loyal of them s
41 Post contains images Captaink : Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 40): Summer is the time for Caribbean Airlines to burst back into BGI with a media blitz of their eye catching ads some nice f
42 BWIA 772 : In BGI Advocate BGI Tourism minister noted that BGI should have a new non stop service to FLL starting June. BA is increasing it business class capaci
43 Captaink : Hope it is done by JM. I don't support traitors. HAHA Serving what purpose?
44 A388 : Not only that but it is not even possible!! There is no long range aircraft that can reach Asia nonstop from the Caribbean. A political delegation he
45 MD90fan : In 20 years I can see a flight to Jamaica as the Chinese population grows and looks for more obscure destinations to invest and even travel too.
46 2travel2know : An A340 has the range to fly from HAV, MBJ and KIN to Japan. The distance is about the same as a BKK-JFK which is one of the longest A340 non-stop fl
47 MAH4546 : Asia-Caribbean? Guys, think logically: not happening. Not even in twenty years.
48 HummingBird : If JM had the vision, they should be looking at all the Caribbean/Northern Southamerica - Far East traffic which can't fly via an U.S. or Canadian air
49 MAH4546 : That traffic can fly via US and Canadian airports. Yes, via the US you need a visa, but via Canada, I don't believe you do. Also, an A340-200 or A340
50 A388 : That may be correct but did you take other factors in consideration such as the wind directions all year round? That is my point exactly. It will nev
51 AA1818 : I'm always a firm believeer in hte 'never say never'. So i'll address this with some seriousness. Caribbean- Asia cannot and will not happen in the i
52 MAH4546 : In a few years, someone in Trinidad can fly AA 1818 up to MIA and connect to a JAL 787 to Narita. That is a realistic possibility.
53 AA1818 : Very true- although visa restrictions will definitely be a deterrent!! But I think the best hope for us in the Caribbean is for a link to Mexico or P
54 Caribbean484 : Very much true. A flight to Asia from the Caribbean is not going to work and as of right now cannot be seen and even if its not going to just be BGI
55 Captaink : Well we have Aeromexico MEX/TIJ/NRT and JAL MEX/YVR/NRT. The deal now is to link POS and MEX. Was rumoured before but such a flight might not be feas
56 AA1818 : Very much a rumour- and also very much a desire of the Government. I think PTY and MEX are real priorities and I could see the Gov't changing their '
57 Caribbean484 : Its an ambitious plan but requires substantial financing form the Gov't. and Gov't has a policy, just like other sountries not to directly offer fore
58 A388 : Once again there is no business case when it comes down to nonstop Asian flights to the Caribbean, not in the short term, not in the medium term and n
59 WestIndian425 : What I'd like to see is POS to South Africa. I really thought that was looked into.
60 Post contains images MD90fan : AIRES (Colombia) will launch a new subsidary in Aruba later on this year using DASH-8 aircraft. It just doesn't stop
61 Post contains links BWIA 772 : First of all just let me state that I was just telling you guys what the minister of tourism said in article that was placed in todays Barbados Advoca
62 AA1818 : I think the Manning Gov't may make some provision for assistance/ encouragement for new airlines. They see the benefit of having healthy and reliable
63 A388 : From what I have read about Surinamese aviation it doesn't look so good. Their national airline (PY) has been on the verge of bankrupcy for years and
64 Post contains links Speedbird2155 : Haven't seen this mentioned yet, but the long awaited Concorde museum in BGI is finally ready for operation. The general public will get the opportuni
65 AA1818 : Yea I rememebr reading that. However, it is still a fact that Trinidad has enjoyed the highest amount in dollar terms of FDI as well as the largest n
66 AA767400 : I am sure there are bigger reasons as to why the route was cut, and rude Crew is not one of them.[Edited 2007-04-15 17:41:12]
67 Post contains images Captaink : The bottom liine is this, an Asia / Caribbean flight is not going to happen anytime soon. If it is to happen in the future, looking at current trends
68 A388 : Now that Caribbean Airlines codeshares with BA on the POS-LHR route people can continue on any BA flight bound for India. It makes it easier now as y
69 BWIA 772 : You read it wrongly. All I was saying is that BGI Indian population are mostly made up if Indian immigrants and 1st or second BGI born. Everyone know
70 BWIA 772 : I have been keeping the thread abreast about the development of the museum for sometime. However when I checked there was no link on the websites of
71 2travel2know : For example, Panamanians need Canadian visas in order to fly JL MEX-YVR-NRT. I don't have the details of Canadian in-transit visa requirements for sp
72 AUA747 : lots of arguments between crew and pax, was not the only reason, but one of them
73 Post contains links Caribbean484 : Ok this is a short report from an CAL(Caribbean Airlines) board member on the first 90days of operations of the airline. http://www.trinidadexpress.co
74 Steeler83 : I am not sure if somebody brought this up before (I am sure someone has), but in the MCO expansion thread, someone mentioned about why FL didn't build
75 MAH4546 : No. Canada allows transit without visa. Why do you think Air Canada expanded rapidly into South America after the US stopped the TWOV program. Maybe
76 AA1818 : I'm sure that would be a moderately successful albiet risky venture. MCO can sustain flights to the Greater Antilles no problem- Jamaica, Puerto Rico
77 Jm017 : I know I should be pro-competition and say something enlightening like "if they offered a quality product then they wouldn't be struggling..." and th
78 AA1818 : I can see your point. However, if JM continues to suffer from great losses and mounting debt, then Open Skies with the US, while killing off JM would
79 Post contains images MD90fan : UP also flies to MCO using a mix of DASH-8 and 737-200 equipment. If they advertised and promoted the flight I think it can be attained, not that I s
80 Steeler83 : Aw cool! vintage aircraft! It would be nice to see them come back! I'll drive aht to PHL in a heartbeat to see the 732 again!
81 JM017 : I don't disagree that the airline should sink or swim on its own. The government needs to use the people's money for "trivial" things such as educati
82 BWIA 772 : So what is taking CAL so long with Tabex?? The joe public in the Caribbean is hoping that CALX or what ever they call it would bring down current far
83 MD90fan : That didn't stop Delta from starting it.
84 AA1818 : Starting flight to where from MCO???? AA1818
85 HummingBird : A loss of JM would result in drastically diminished flight options. If i think KIN is neglected now, it'll be worse without JM. As for MBJ, right now,
86 HummingBird : Does anyone have any information regardiing CU and aviation in Cuba?
87 Captaink : What are their current ops in Florida? MIA, FLL and MIA, how many flights a day?
88 Beeweel15 : It can be done maybe not non-stop but direct. An Africa link is in the works. Looks like some old BW habits hanging around
89 Ruslan : What about the COPA plans to link POS and Panama City? As far as I know, that fell through but would've been nice to see a Latin American carrier at P
90 A388 : Once again, what are the traffic numbers between Asia and the Caribbean? Start looking there before deciding on "direct" Asian flights. Then as step
91 2travel2know : CM won't confirm it, but the rumor is that POS will finally have its PTY flight this year, same as 1-2 extra weekly KIN flights. Are you counting CCS
92 Post contains images MD90fan : 7 dailies split JM is big to South Florida, Miramar has the largest Jamaican community in the US This may be wrong, but IIRC their schedule is someth
93 A388 : I was not referring to PTY or CCS as these cities are in South and Central America which is not the Caribbean in my opinion. HAV, nope, no Asian dema
94 2travel2know : Any future Japan-Cuba charter will have to rely on how the Cubans will market their island on Japan. Now you've Finnes flying to Brazil, Panama and t
95 AA1818 : That's still on the cards. I believe it's coming down to TT Government assistance to CM to start the route. It has been delayed, but the Government h
96 Caribbean484 : If the GROTT wants this flight then they will have to make exceptions because analyst report say that these routes are not profitable to run to POS s
97 Post contains images WestIndian425 : You're not the only one pleasantly surprised.
98 AUA747 : MCO-SJU daily flight, fridays two flights Direct flight between Asia - Caribbean not feasible at the moment. No caribbean island has a strong economy
99 Post contains links and images Caymanair : Just thought I'd let you know.........CAL is getting more 737-300 CAL plans to add new jet Tuesday, April 17, 2007 http://www.caymannetnews.com/cgi-sc
100 2travel2know : Sure there's not such a demand for PTY-POS, but PTY is a hub, and whenever CM starts its POS flights, most passengers won't be traveling between PTY
101 A388 : Hey AUA747 how are you doing? Nice to hear you were on my island. Are you sure you saw a Ocean Air F100 here in CUR? SAM operates the F100 flights tw
102 AUA747 : I arrived on DAE and as you know you have to walk all the way to the terminal and the F100 wit OceanAir however in the colors of AV was standing righ
103 A388 : Okay AUA747, too bad I wasn't at the airport at the time but the AV F100 flights always arrive here at sunset which makes photography very difficult
104 Trintocan : Flights from the Caribbean to Asia - not likely in my estimation as the market is simply not there. The nearest is the long-standing link-up between B
105 Beeweel15 : Direct but not non-stop flights are possible. The market is small but it is there. With BW out of the picture BA is the one to rely on really I dont
106 A388 : What do you mean by direct flights? As you say yourself, the market is small, very small in my opinion. Let's just snap out of this Asia dream cause
107 Voodoo : Have to play with Great Circle mapping but surely it is feasible/quicker (and therefore cheaper to travellers) to fly to some point in Africa/Middle -
108 MD90fan : Apparently FlyGlobespan is starting Glasgow-Barbados next winter using Boeing 763 equipment I'm guessing they will fly regional routes for the moment
109 Post contains images 2travel2know : No route between any major English Speaking Caribbean city/island and a Spanish Speaking Caribbean/South/Centralamerican city will work well if on on
110 Caymanair : At some point definately, it will supplement the entire route network.
111 Post contains images MD90fan : Why not? As mentioned it worked before, SDQ worked. It was only once a week or something using a 737 that would be resting on the tarmac. That's one
112 MAH4546 : Hardly. Port of Spain and San Juan are the two business capitals of the Caribbean. There is a significant amount of O&D on SJU-POS, which is why AA f
113 WestIndian425 : That may be true, but the flights to SJU aren't mainline from POS. The mainline aircraft go to MIA.
114 Post contains images MD90fan : Some news from my neck of the woods. A Bahamasair DASH-8 made a crash landing Bahamasair may also resume Treasure Cay-FLL services and start a Mayguan
115 MAH4546 : Okay. That doesn't really change the fact that there is heavy O&D demand between Port of Spain and San Juan. It is an important business route, and t
116 Captaink : YIKES... Dash 8s seems to have a serious landing gear problems. Has happened to LIAT in the past, ANA from Japan and other carriers I can't remember
117 A388 : If it is one of the most O&D heavy intra-Caribbean routes in AA's network, how come it is operated by the small AT7? Can't the route sustain a 738 or
118 Beeweel15 : Because there is enough connecting traffic to sustain the use of a 757. The ATR72's serve the smaller islands in the Caribbean from SJU. AA has two f
119 MAH4546 : Why does it need it? The majority of AA's SJU-POS traffic is local. 68 seats each way is more than enough to satisfy local demand. There is absolutel
120 A388 : Thanks for the explanation. I just thought if the route was so bussy that demand would be high too. As they are using the AT7 succesfully the route a
121 WestIndian425 : I'm sure these are isolated incidents, as the Dash8 extremely successful all over the world (I think it's one of the planes helping Bombardier's bott
122 AA1818 : Correction- 3 year round daily. ATR- SJU, 752- MIA, 763- MIA. POS-SJU picks up lots of people travelling for business. I know that Johnson & Johnson
123 Captaink : While that may be true, airlines have grounded their entire Dash 8 fleet for inspection after incidents. The 8s are susccessfull airliners no doubt,
124 Post contains links and images Captaink : Just now you guys won't be able to travel. Forget those day trips to Port of Spain for shopping. Now you have to take out a loan just to purchase the
125 Post contains links and images Captaink : Caribbean airlines just love to make the papers... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=29&objectid=10435551
126 Post contains images WestIndian425 : Ah yes...I remember those days. Memories indeed. Maybe that's just part of the Caribbean aviation culture. Looks like Caribbean Airlines is changing t
127 Trintocan : What is it with the landing gear on Dash 8's these days? Not so long ago the TV news featured an emergency landing of an NH Dash 8 in Japan sans one o
128 Captaink : Hmm we certainly hope so. You know how we West Indians are, we start off hot hot with something and then back to the same nonsense after. Funny about
129 AUA747 : SJU-AUA is 757 due to the connecting pax. As I understood the loads are not as good as it used to be. More direct flights out of the Northeastern par
130 Post contains images MD90fan : Why no love for my latin brothers on here? Anyways, D.R is to base aircraft in SDQ soon: BTW: I'm waiting for AA ORD-SDQ and FlyGSM GLA-NAS
131 MAH4546 : No, they will not be basing any aircraft in SDQ. They will simply be routing flights via SDQ. For example, an ATR-72 will be flying SJU-SDQ-PAP, etc,
132 Post contains images MD90fan : Ok. I was under the impression from the Dominican newspapers that they would base aircraft Regarding MIA-Samana, where will the 738 come from? Any ot
133 MAH4546 : They aren't so short on 738s that they can't add a few weekly 738 flights. Within the next three years, AA will likely add non-stops from Miami to An
134 Beeweel15 : Whats there to correct it still comes up to three flights a day. I agree with you on that.
135 AA1818 : Sorry was v.v. tired. I mis read your post as saying 2 flights overall, not two to Miami. Many apologies! AA1818
136 Post contains images MD90fan : I'm willing to bet Miami-FDF,PDP and TAB would work better than Delta's planned service to these routes which had such dismal booking they got the pl
137 8B775ZQ : Was just wondering about plans LIAT had of aquiring RJ's to fly some of their routes. IIRC that was floated around some two yrs ago.
138 8B775ZQ : Does anyone think the Q400 has a place in the new LI/8B airline?
139 Post contains images Captaink : Good to see some representation from the leeward islands.. I think the Q400 can work well with LI on the longer trunk routes, ANU/POS ANU/BGI etc. Bu
140 Post contains links BWIA 772 : 8B775ZQ Welcome to our forum it is nice to see another caribbean person on airliners.net RJ and Q400s are not suited for LI or any regional ops. Q400
141 WestIndian425 : In terms of capacity, the Q400 would go head to head with the AT7 of Executive Airlines. I'm not sure what regional carrier was advised against acqui
142 A388 : I assume the flight made a fuel stop on the way as the 744 cannot fly the route nonstop AFAIK. Interesting to see this flight actually being carried
143 Fpofllflyboi : Great!!! Just what UP needs to lose more money for the sake of getting a few votes for the upcoming election. On a positive note, If it does come to
144 Post contains images MD90fan : A more realistic option would be to trade in the 3 oldest DASH-8 Series 100s for Q400s. They were looking at acquiring 2 CRJ-700/E-170 aircraft for l
145 Post contains images WestIndian425 : The "Bombardier 170", huh? Who wrote that article? Tell me that wasn't a direct quote; otherwise this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
146 8B775ZQ : Thanx for the love guys. As you can tell by my username i was a big fan of Caribbean Star and Caribbean Sun. I never totally agreed with the merger of
147 BWIA 772 : 8B and ZQ help put LI on notice and without them I do not think that the governments would have provided the political will that was necessary for LI
148 Post contains images A388 : My thoughts exactly. Did this CEO really say this? All of a sudden I'm not so sure..... A388
149 Post contains images BWIA 772 : A388 About 2-3 years ago LI was considering getting the ATR but then the BW merger was floated so those plans were shelved. After that fell through LI
150 Post contains images Captaink : You've said it all. There was a point when I was quite anit LIAT/pro Caribean Star. Welcome to Respected Users List.
151 Beeweel15 : Then again the aircraft did not have a max load on it. 250 pax , their bags and a max fuel only it is possible to go non stop. Well if you give them
152 8B775ZQ : Anybody have any news on Winair(Windward Island Airways)? Since the departure of 8B there's been a loss of airlift to SXM even more so with the outrag
153 WestIndian425 : Yep...Barbados do spend a lot on advertising. So does Jamaica. I'm starting to see St. Lucia billboards as well. The Caribbean is spending money to b
154 Post contains images A388 : You are absolutely right Well, the rumor I've heard is that the ex-DCE Dash 8 here in CUR might go to Winair but this is just a rumor. The aircraft h
155 Post contains images WestIndian425 : Okay, I'm not really sure what happened, so can anyone explain what took place with ALM? Perhaps A388 can shed some light on this.
156 8B775ZQ : What about the french airlines. I've heard little about Air Caraibes and Air Antilles on the forum.
157 Beeweel15 : They ran out of money plain and simple.
158 AUA747 : [ The went bankrupt, first they try to survive by starting up under a new name Dutch Caribbean Antilles (DCA) which flew the MD-88's and Dutch Caribbe
159 Post contains links and images MD90fan : I loved Air Aruba! Too bad they were rushed into privatization and purchased by a greedy,third-rate Venezuelan airline (Aserca) who brought them beca
160 AUA747 : I definitely miss Air Aruba. They should have never sold the majority shares to Simon Garcia. There were a lot of issues surrounding the bankruptcy o
161 Post contains links Caymanair : Looks like Cayman Airways is seriously considering whther Sir Turtle should stay or not. I would really like to see some ideas as to what the new CAL
162 AA1818 : Anyone with some photo/ paint skills willing to do some potential renditions for us??!! AA1818
163 Post contains images Captaink : No......... I like Sir Turtle. We are loosing all our traditional caribbean airlines logos.. Next one to go would be JM and their doctor bird.
164 AA1818 : I look forward to the day when JM changes their livery to something less tacky!!! hehehehe (sorry, but I'm just being honest about my personal tastes
165 Post contains images BWIA 772 : I guess after going through the BW rebranding and the CAL rebranding I am yeah sure lets change it anything that has been used for 20 + years can be
166 Post contains links and images Captaink : Getting conservative are we AA? Why does England always do that to people. HEHE just kidding. Personally while JM's livery can be considered wild and
167 Post contains images A388 : Correct, ALM never had any money as they were heavily subsidized by the local government. ALM operated a fleet of 3 MD82s (not the M88) and 3 Dash-8s
168 Post contains images BWIA 772 : You see I am not a fan of the wild especially when you put bright shades of pink in the mix. At the end of the day I rather have a profitable airline
169 Post contains images Captaink : That is the point my young apprentice.. (kidding) The paint job has nothing to do with the corrupt, thieving management these airlines seem to be spo
170 AA1818 : I was a conservative before leaving Trinidad. England is very liberal, in fact even more liberal than I initially thought!!! Like you, I think that C
171 Captaink : I guess the only option is to wait. But I agree with you, it would be interesting to see the outcome of all this "bacanaal" (don't know how that is s
172 BWIA 772 : Yes it would be interesting. My hope is that LI and CAL can start to co-operate it may be a long shot and both sides have to be willing to compromise
173 Captaink : That means BW and BWA respectively, therefore we should stop using CAL as that is China Airlines..:D kidding..
174 BWIA 772 : The mods have not change the thing so that BW appears as OLD BWIA new Caribbbean Airlines. I hope they come up with a nick name for the carrier. When
175 AA1818 : How do we get them to do it!? AA1818
176 Post contains links and images BWIA 772 : I have no idea Anyways so i just got home from school so when i went on to airliners i saw even with the tacky Caribbean Airlines titles the TJN is o
177 Post contains images MD90fan : Nice picture, seeing a Caribbean widebody makes my feel warm and fuzzy inside I wish the Caribbean airlines operating (operated) MD-80s would switch t
178 Caribbean484 : Its been a little while I posted her so CAL has US$85m for its future growth and technological innovation, that being said they tend to introduce SMS
179 WestIndian425 : Which airlines are they in negotiations with for the heavy checks? I ask because I'm wondering if they'd only do the Boeing aircraft family or be abl
180 Post contains images BWIA 772 : CTAC Would like to thank all of you who posted since this epic journey began back in September 06. To be honest I was suprised that we were able to go
181 Post contains images Beeweel15 : On 04/25/07 i was walking through the Terminal while talking a break for the office and noticed this and tonight again but this time instead of Travel
182 AA1818 : Travel Span do JFK Daily into POS according to their newpaper ads. FLL 2wice weekly and GEO-POS 4x weekly. Nice to see POS featuring on the boards at
183 Post contains links Caribbean484 : Looks like CAL is doing well for the first 4Q http://news.bn.gs/article.php?story=20070426005901389
184 Post contains images Captaink : Hey I was on that flight to Mexico City.. Not that day though.. Nice to see POS holding the fort. Wikipedia says that Caribbean's next expansion plans
185 AA1818 : What you should ask first is if it was an A.netter who wrote that on wiki...hehe...knowing the aviation buffs, it probably was someone from a.net!! C
186 Post contains images A388 : North America would make more sense to explore, but South America not really in my opinion. The South American market to Trinidad I think is not that
187 BWIA 772 : Anyone has news on if CAL is going to lease out GEO for the summer. CAL operating a GND JFK would be nice but I do not see it happening especially any
188 A388 : Below is the reply from another thread here in the forum: Quoting A388 (Reply 11): Do you have more information on this lease? The following was copi
189 2travel2know : It makes no sense for that new CAL to stay away from CCS. There's a market for POS-CSS, they why Venezuelan airlines fly to POS? There is more CAL co
190 BWIA 772 : Ok just being clear here GEO is going to be with them till from 6th of July till 26th of August
191 Post contains links WestIndian425 : Just heard from another thread that the relationship between JM and DL has ended. Air Jamaica - Delta End Code-shares (by Laxintl Apr 27 2007 in Civil
192 Beeweel15 : Man that is old news. It was out over 6 months or more. As a matter of fact I remember mentioning it some time ago on one of the earlier parts of the
193 Post contains images MD90fan : Why not bother with PMV? Sounds like a ripe market for the DASH-8s, especially when you consider Avior flies this route x5 weekly with 732s in the su
194 Post contains links Beeweel15 : Whats funny this idea was brought forward many times before in the old BWIA and was always shot down. And I am talking back in the days when some fol
195 BWIA 772 : Why should you be upset because they are speaking the truth. There is still a brain drain going on in the region. Just because some nurses and doctor
196 AA1818 : So true. It has been a serious problem in Trinidad. But the Government has been working on expanding the avaioable jobs by creating industries and op
197 Post contains images MD90fan : I didn't necessarily mean E-90, it could have been a DASH-8. It could have been the E-90 on a POS-AUA-CUR route collecting feed in both directions. W
198 BWIA 772 : True hopefully the current party will remain in power I am not to sure if they lost the government that the full potential of the economy will be rea
199 Yellowtail : In the end we should put our JM and CAL disagreements aside and make it one hummingbird! With a fleet of ATRs,73s(319), and 78s..........three mini hu
200 BWIA 772 : While I would like to a single Caribbean Airline we need to realise that the it will not happen anytime soon. Even if LI and CAL come together I do n
201 Watapana : Does anyone know anything about Air Caraibes and there flights to/from Paris, Haiti and Miami. Curious to know the loads of these flights. Is there Pa
202 Caribbean484 : Ok guy. We've reaced 200 now and its time to close. Discussions will continue when MD90fan puts up part 14 soon. Mods take this one away.
203 Post contains images A388 : Hey Watapana, long time no see here. What's up. Air Caraibes is doing pretty well what I remember. I don't know if their ORY flights are subsidized b
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