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Do Pilots Fly Both Pax And Cargo Aircraft?  
User currently offlineSteve332 From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 116 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

Hi,

I have a question Im hoping to get answered.

Lets say we have a pilot from SQ flying the 744, Would he also fly 744's with SQ Cargo or would he only fly pax???

Same goes for anyother airlines that operate both pax and cargo varients of the same aircraft I.E AF 777, NW 744 ect.

Cheers
Steve.

[Edited 2007-04-11 16:45:55]

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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

I know that at NW, pilots who fly the 747-200 fly both passenger flights and cargo flights.


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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1117 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

I guess that would depend mostly on their contracts... But I don't see why not (unless, of course, the cargo branch is a separate company of the pax branch, which happens every so often).

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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4127 times:

convertible 737's often fly into the DUB during the summer months as charters, they can easily be stripped of their seats and used as cargo aircraft, which means it would be the same rating so I don't see why not.... now the question I suppose would be do they

Correction: they fly in year round, it's just during the summer is the only time I see them with Pax instead of packages.

[Edited 2007-04-11 17:08:11]


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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

I know that LY pilots flew both pax and cargo 747-200 when LY still had pax 742's.

User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2679 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Northwest Airlines ANC based B-747-200 pilots fly both the NWA Cargo flights and the 747-200 passenger flights. There are only a couple passenger -200s remaining, however, and soon those crews will fly nothing but cargo.

User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

On JL and NH, pilots are divided into those that operate pax ac and cargo ac.

The significant difference is that on cargo jumbos, approach speeds are much faster compared to pax jets. I have read in magazines that this is due to fuel consumption.

For instance, a pax flight originating in say NRT and going to destinations in North America would burn quite a lot of fuel in the process and get lighter by the time they arrive at their destination. That is what enables the plane to be at flt level 390 when they reach North America.

But the bulk of cargo aircraft is cargo. This does not get burned off when reaching their destination. So inevitably, the aircraft would have to approach at a faster speed to maintain its stability.

So I have heard of pilots that went from ANA to NCA, but they had to go through a lot of training to do so.

So I think on any airline, there is nothing like flying a pax flight one day, and going cargo a couple of days later.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

AS Pilots fly the 734 Combis . . . . and of course, the 734F and 734s all the time.

User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 6):
The significant difference is that on cargo jumbos, approach speeds are much faster compared to pax jets. I have read in magazines that this is due to fuel consumption.

It's not that big of a deal. At MLW Vref (flaps 30) is about 157 while at 250 tonnes, normal pax landing weight, Vref (flaps 30) is about 144. So, it's about 13 kias difference, which isn't a big thing at all. The difference in approach speeds is due to the higher ZFW of the freighters vs. passenger aircraft. Freight doesn't care if has to stop in ANC while passengers want to go non-stop.

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 6):
So I think on any airline, there is nothing like flying a pax flight one day, and going cargo a couple of days later.

It really depends on the airline and the contractual limits at each airline. From a regulatory standpoint, it's a 747-400 type rating, not a passenger rating or a 747-400F rating.


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1796 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

Okay where are the experts, I am not buying the answer given above that cargo planes arrive lighter than their passenger counterparts......If a fully loaded 747 takes off from Narita with passengers for LAX versus a fully loaded 747 with cargo to LAX (assuming nearly identical takeoff weights), how does the passenger plane arrive lighter than the cargo plane?????

User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

MP MD11 crews fly them both pax & cargo however based on what they told me they either do not care or cargo only

Cheers,


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 9):
If a fully loaded 747 takes off from Narita with passengers for LAX versus a fully loaded 747 with cargo to LAX (assuming nearly identical takeoff weights), how does the passenger plane arrive lighter than the cargo plane?????

The freighter stops in ANC and the pax flight goes non-stop. If they had the same ZFW and the same fuel burn and both went non-stop to LAX then Vref would be the same.


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1439 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Quoting Steve332 (Thread starter):
Lets say we have a pilot from SQ flying the 744, Would he also fly 744's with SQ Cargo or would he only fly pax???

I thought you were describing PhilSquares there for a minute.  biggrin 



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User currently offlineSteve332 From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 12):


I thought you were describing PhilSquares there for a minute.

Actually now that you mention it I saw his profile and wondered it then,
Based in SIN so its pretty obivous whoo he flies the 744 for!!  Silly


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2789 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 8):
It's not that big of a deal.

Phil only flies freight, cos packages can't give him grief for the landing as they de-board ::::fleeing fast::::

Shamu



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User currently offlineDxBrian From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 9):
If a fully loaded 747 takes off from Narita with passengers for LAX versus a fully loaded 747 with cargo to LAX (assuming nearly identical takeoff weights), how does the passenger plane arrive lighter than the cargo plane?????

Your assumption is in error. A fully loaded freighter for LAX-NRT will not have a nearly identical weight as a passenger aircraft operating LAX-NRT. Based on today's conditions, a 747-400 freighter could carry about 200,000 lbs from LAX to NRT. A 747-400 passenger airplane COULD carry the same weight, BUT will carry only 140-150,000 lbs. As a rough figure, a 747-400 freighter main deck capacity is 200,000 lbs. The main deck on a passenger airplane will top out at around 100,000 lbs, based on 500 seats at 200 lbs each. If each passenger has 60 lbs of bags, that's another 30,000 lbs, and the total load on that flight will be 130,000 lbs or so plus any freight. But in most cases, bags occupy more volume than an equivalent weight of freight will so the freight carried on the baggage compartments will be less as well.

However, as stated above, the freighter will probably stop in ANC for fuel in order to carry the max payload.


User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3709 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3619 times:
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Quoting Steve332 (Thread starter):
Lets say we have a pilot from SQ flying the 744, Would he also fly 744's with SQ Cargo or would he only fly pax???

As others have noted, it pretty much depends from carrier to carrier. As far as SQ specifically is concerned, I believe that the answer depends on which Singapore Airlines the pilot works for.

If a pilot is hired by Singapore Airlines Cargo (ICAO:SQC), said pilot will fly only freighter aircraft. On the other hand, if a pilot works for Singapore Airlines mainline (ICAO:SIA), the pilot can fly both pax and cargo planes.



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