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Airtran Adds LAS-MKE, BMI, MLI  
User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

- Airline Expands Service from Las Vegas to Milwaukee,
Bloomington-Normal and Moline -

ORLANDO, Fla., April 11 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AirTran Airways, a
subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE:AAI), announced today that it
will be expanding flight service between McCarran International Airport
in Las Vegas and General Mitchell International Airport in Milwaukee,
Wis.; Central Illinois Regional Airport at Bloomington-Normal, Ill.; and
Quad City International Airport in Moline, Ill. The discount carrier
will offer a new daily flight to Milwaukee and four new flights per week
both to Moline and Bloomington-Normal.


---
Wondering if this is that start of 73G service to MKE?

Craig
MKE


MKE / EYW / LAS - The true trifecta of aviation!
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User currently offlineMli717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5399 times:

Great news!

Heres the schedule:

Nonstop flights between Las Vegas and Milwaukee
From To Flight Departs Arrives Frequency
Las Vegas Milwaukee 349 1:43 p.m. 7:11 p.m. Daily
Milwaukee Las Vegas 348 9:58 a.m. 11:43 a.m. Daily

Nonstop flights between Las Vegas and Bloomington-Normal
From To Flight Departs Arrives Frequency
Las Vegas Bloomington-Normal 728 4:05 p.m. 9:50 p.m. T,Th,Sat
Las Vegas Bloomington-Normal 728 2:55 p.m. 8:40 p.m. Sun
Bloomington-
Normal Las Vegas 727 7:00 a.m. 8:25 a.m. M,W,F,Sun

Nonstop flights between Las Vegas and Moline
From To Flight Departs Arrives Frequency
Las Vegas Moline 730 4:05 p.m. 9:25 p.m. M,W,F,
Sun
Moline Las Vegas 729 1:35 p.m. 3:15 p.m. Monday
Moline Las Vegas 729 7:00 a.m. 8:40 a.m. Tue, Thur,
Sat

I was worried about FL's MLI service when they cut us from 3x ATL to 2x ATL, but I read somewhere that they are bringing back the 3rd flight. For BMI, this is going to make already huge competition between BMI and PIA even bigger.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5393 times:

Watch out Allegiant! Looks like someone's eyeing your bread-'n-butter...
And LAS-MKE? Is FL tired of waiting for YX to cave...?
Interesting moves by AirTran.  stirthepot 

bb


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Well the first experiment with LAS p2p service failed, wonder how this one will fair

User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5346 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 3):
Well the first experiment with LAS p2p service failed, wonder how this one will fair

That is true, but I would argue that the reason it failed was because the first experiment used red-eye flights.

I wonder if Delta is going to try to jump in on this like they did with FL's MLI/BMI - MCO service last year.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

wow - I'm fairly surprised at this move. I think you can tell that FL is really looking around thier system for opportunities outside of ATL and Florida.

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5305 times:
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Quoting Vivavegas (Thread starter):
Wondering if this is that start of 73G service to MKE?

This will be the first scheduled 737 service in MKE. There are also two ATL departures in the June schedule.

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 3):
Well the first experiment with LAS p2p service failed, wonder how this one will fair

MKE should do well with this one. There is plenty lift for AirTran to be able to hold their own in this market.



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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5292 times:

Quoting Vivavegas (Thread starter):
Wondering if this is that start of 73G service to MKE?

Yes it is....and word has it that 2 of the daily ATL-MKE will go 737 also. Great day for rampers and runway watchers!

Though if AirTran had an earlier departure for LAS from MKE they'd be better positioned to battle YX.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5292 times:

A logical move by FL. If you can't buy Midwest, compete till they cave in; FL has begun the process of pummelling them into submission like AA did to Braniff at DFW.


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User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 439 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

I've been waiting for someone to finally run BMI - LAS. I think Air Tran can do very well on this route and could do better on the MCO flights if they would work to attract people from the far south suburbs of Chicago. (40-50 miles S).

I'm from a town 60 miles south of Chicago, and it takes me less time to drive farther to BMI then it does to get to ORD or MDW. BMI is also much more relaxing to travel into and out of. I love it!

Good Luck to Air Tran.

flying_727



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User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 7):
Though if AirTran had an earlier departure for LAS from MKE they'd be better positioned to battle YX.

Not a deal-breaker in my eyes, actually prefer the later departure. Avoid the early AM rush in MKE, get it before noon in LAS, can't check-in to hotel till after 2pm anyway. Ditto for the return, plenty of time to sleep in, return the rental car and get to the airport for a 1:43 departure.

They will have my business!

Craig
MKE



MKE / EYW / LAS - The true trifecta of aviation!
User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 6):
MKE should do well with this one. There is plenty lift for AirTran to be able to hold their own in this market.



Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 8):
A logical move by FL. If you can't buy Midwest, compete till they cave in; FL has begun the process of pummelling them into submission like AA did to Braniff at DFW.

Northwest tried with its big FF base and couldn't make it work. We shall see who pummels whom.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5226 times:
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Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 11):
Northwest tried with its big FF base and couldn't make it work. We shall see who pummels whom.

Well word on the street is that the flight schedule will be changing a bit. As it stands right now the flight will be the 4th RON in MKE, which FL has no room for. I have been told that it will be turning into a BWI-MKE-LAS flight on the way to Vegas and a LAS-MKE-BWI flight on the way back. Watch for a schedule change. FL and NW have vastly different cost structures, I think FL will be ok on this one. No slaughter for either party.



Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 11):
Northwest tried with its big FF base and couldn't make it work. We shall see who pummels whom.

Air Tran is hitting up the average joe..not a specific target audience. I just wish Air Tran wasn't boxed in over there at E60/E61 they need another gate!

Notice the 7:11pm arrival time...great..right at the top of our 7pm block yippe! Please don't use E61 or some skyway ramper will push a 328 into them or push and have a 737 blocked in to where they can't turn around easily. It will be a nightmare over there ... it's skyway, something will break!


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 12):
Watch for a schedule change. FL and NW have vastly different cost structures, I think FL will be ok on this one. No slaughter for either party.

It is a good time.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5158 times:
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Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 14):
It is a good time.

Not when you can't accommodate the airplane it isn't. The times look great on paper, but from an operational standpoint they dont work.



Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineKBMIFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

Great news for us here in BMI. I hope this flight can make it long term. Our BMI-MCO flight on FL seems to come and go.

Can anyone confirm this will be a 737? I thought I heard before that the 717 didn't have the legs for BMI-LAS.


User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

I remember them dropping some of the LAS flights a while back due to the cost of fuel (or at least that was the reasoning I remember), correct me if I am wrong. Also, didn't they use to have a LAS-MLI route? Was it one of the ones dropped about a year or two ago.

Move definitely looks like it aimed at stemming Allegiants march toward the smaller markets. BMI should do well I think. Also, is this just the beginning for new routes out of MKE?



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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5099 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 17):
Also, is this just the beginning for new routes out of MKE?

Nah...Air Tran has 2 gates that are in the corners which means their planes have to taxi though active ramps. No place to put any other airplanes. FL needs another gate!


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2948 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Yup, they did MLI-LAS before but as a red-eye. They have also done daytime LAS-FNT, LAS-DFW and LAS-CAK in the past.

As for Milwaukee, LAS is a huge market...around 850 passengers per day...and NW carried on average about 200 of them. With the NW nonstop MKE-LAS pulled as of 1/3/07, I figured we'd see AirTran in the market sooner than July.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 12):
FL and NW have vastly different cost structures, I think FL will be ok on this one. No slaughter for either party.

If NW wasn't filling the planes on its LAS runs, I'm not sure how FL will. Lower costs certainly do not improve load (and NW sold quite a lot of DTW-MKE-LAS flights to fill the planes as much as they did).

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 13):
Air Tran is hitting up the average joe..not a specific target audience.

That's exactly what NW tried to do: stimulate the MKE market with fares under what YX offered. There was no 'target audience.' I'm still not sure what is different about FL. There's nothing magical about them.



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User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

MLI-LAS
BMI-LAS
Made me go WHAT!?
There are plenty of other cities bigger (More O&D Traffic) in Airtran's system that would love to have FL XXX-LAS!
Just my two cents..


User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 3):
Well the first experiment with LAS p2p service failed

who was that and what exactly is P2P? everytime i see it, i end up thinkin of Sony's PSP......

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
If NW wasn't filling the planes on its LAS runs, I'm not sure how FL will.

um.....lower ticket prices?



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 12):
I think FL will be ok on this one.

I agree, FL should be able to get pretty decent loads on MKE-LAS. When NW used to have all of those flights from MKE, I think I remmember LAS was their best flight load factor wise besides the hubs. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[Edited 2007-04-11 23:42:02]


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User currently offlineORDZW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 22):

and what exactly is P2P?

Point-to-point service. Usually when a carrier flies a route outside of its hub-and-spoke network.

As an example, F9 service from MEM-LAS, MEM-MCO, line stations to Mexico, etc.

In this case, FL flights that do not pass through ATL or one of its focus cities. All of these new routes by FL are point-to-point service.



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25 Cidflyer : point to point service (meaning you do not have to make a connection at a hub). Since neither LAS or the cities they will be serving are AirTran hubs
26 Post contains images SANFan : OK. So if YX hasn't gotten around to adding SAN-MKE, maybe now AirTran will! After all, FL hasn't even started their SAN service yet and they already
27 Cubsrule : NW was plenty cheap on this route (and most of the other focus city routes... the goal was to stimulate traffic with low fares). The flight load wasn
28 SpencerII : They will have no problem selling seats, as they have contracted with a major Tour Conslidator and have an almost guaranteed amount of $$$ for each an
29 AirTranTUS : I wonder if LAS-CAK will come back.
30 Flyinryan99 : I wonder why they don't run a CAK - LAS late evening and a LAS - CAK red eye...for more utilization of aircraft
31 Flymli : AirTran will be using the 137 seat B737-700 series aircraft for all three of the routes. The B717 has the legs out of MLI but does not out of BMI or M
32 DeltaDAWG : I believe overall FL will do fine on these routes but it makes me wonder. They have added LAS routes all around MDW but not from MDW itself. Is FL rea
33 FATFlyer : I'm not sure why they should go head to head in the current environment. Wouldn't that just end up encouraging money-losing fare wars on those routes
34 Post contains images Acey559 : Finally we in the Quad Cities finally get our LAS flight back!!! Hopefully it'll work this time and FL won't pull the plug after a few months. Great n
35 Callsigncitrus : i believe the first go round for MLI-LAS service didnt do well for 2 main reasons. number one the flight was a red eye. number 2 AirTran really didnt
36 Acey559 : I'm actually working for Comair at MLI again this summer. I'm still at school right now, so I haven't been able to talk to anyone to hear their reacti
37 Callsigncitrus : yes 737s for all of the routes. I believe 737's will be new for all of these cities (except maybe for 200's) This will be a very nice change seeing d
38 InnocuousFox : That was my thought intitially. However, I'm not sure this makes a lot of sense. Is there that much O&D between MKE and LAS that they needed to do a
39 EXAAUADL : Why would DL jump in??? Is LAS an important focus city for DL like it is for MCO??? Does BMI-LAS traffic threaten the ATL hub??? yeesh.... Looks like
40 Mli717fan : Very exciting.. I've always want to see some 73Gs at MLI. Perhaps the will route customers ATL-BMI-LAS or ATL-MLI-LAS, like I've seen United do with
41 Post contains images Acey559 : I did for a long time, and I definitely would still love to fly for FL one day because the 717 (the whole DC-9 series, actually) is my favorite plane
42 Cubsrule : Yes. There are numerous examples including BWI-RDU (but they fly BWI-CLT) MDW-RDU (they fly MDW-CLT) BUF-BWI (they fly ROC-BWI) HOU-BWI (they fly DFW
43 Indy : They've done the same thing here in IND. The price of tickets to LAS from here have really gone up because of the lack of seats to our number one des
44 JpetekYXMD80 : In a word: yes. Milwaukee loves its Vegas. It's one of the largest O&D markets period. Midwest alone offers around 450 seats/day in the market.
45 N353SK : Plenty, see below. three actually, for a total of 441 seats (2 daily on saturdays)
46 Iowaman : IIRC it was announced but never started. I think G4 increasing CID service around the same time as well as oil prices skyrocketing scared FL away. I
47 InnocuousFox : That's quite likely. It wouldn't take much to disect the schedule... but I don't have it handy nor have the patience/time at the moment.
48 Acey559 : The route was started, but was only around for summer and was dropped. From what I heard, bookings weren't too bad, and advance bookings were okay, b
49 FLIGHTDECK787 : skyxramper should quit skyx he obviosuly cant stand the company -- does he have another source of income ? somone must be paying his bills
50 AirTran737 : Skyexramper is one of the few people who can shed light on what's going on over there. He was there when things were good at Skyway, when they had en
51 DeltaDAWG : Anyone know what the chances of FL re-starting DFW-LAS as well as adding a BWI-LAS/LAX maybe? Were the loads out of DFW-LAS that bad? I know the DFW-M
52 CIDflyer : I was a little worried about that myself, but then again CID still pulls in over a million pax a year even with MLI nearby, and can draw from places
53 MLI717fan : Yeah, I think that while CID and MLI draw from the same crowd (between them), they aren't going to steal too many customers from each other. On my la
54 Flymli : CID and MLI are both doing well and the competition has stimulated the traffic at both airports. As far as LAS goes, more Quad city passengers were us
55 Almbluzman : you're kidding, right? mr. skyexramper is a good dude who actually cares about his workplace and hates watching it get turned into the laughing-stock
56 SkyexRamper : Dang...all I said is that I'm glad to see the FL 737 going to MKE and that they would need another gate to be more competitive with YX. I'm totally l
57 SkyexRamper : PS: These ex ACA / Flyi CRJs suck! Today, 4/17/07, we had a CRJ break in CMH and we had to cancel the inbound flight. Unlike the jet in PHL the other
58 Cubsrule : Is that a function of the birds' time with DH? Part of the problem must be that both PHL and CMH are new stations for OO and they are still getting t
59 Post contains images SkyexRamper : OO probably never did a C or D check on these birds before bring them into service so now all these things are starting to break. I'm sure had they b
60 Sideflare75 : Airplanes break. That's not really that big of a deal. C or D checks do not guarantee that something won't break the next day. Besides if they weren'
61 Mke717spotter : Since you brought up that routemap, I noticed that on YX's main routemap for some reason there's 2 lines going from MCI to FLL. Might be kinda random
62 SkyexRamper : LOL...I'll have a laugh and look at it. Though I wonder if they will ever update the Midwest Connect route map to feature PHL, MSP and SAT plus other
63 SkyexRamper : LOL...I'll have a laugh and look at it. Oh and 2nd note...WOW, they finally updated the Midwest Connect route map. But still missing PHL and MSP.
64 Boeing7E7 : AirTran doesn't have the financial strength to even put a dent in Midwest.
65 SkyexRamper : That and lack the room to truly compete.
66 Usairways85 : If you notice these new FL routes have very little if any competition. DFW-LAS, BWI-LAX face a good amount of competition and so does BWI-LAS
67 N917ME : Look for the updated map in the May/June issue of "My Midwest" magazine. --Regarding the OO aircraft.. They break just like any other bird, its more
68 Post contains images SkyexRamper : Or the Mesa CRJs which are totally neglected! CRJs are like 328s..they break too freak'n much! The CRJ was not an airline purpose aircraft, it's just
69 N917ME : Yep! We get to report them every morning on the conference call! Although, our station has not caused any mishandles against YX, we just get the inte
70 SkyexRamper : You just defined all of the immediate MKE ramp and station management! I've complained to the station manager for skyway MKE, all the ramp supervisor
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