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Last Convair-880s Being Scrapped  
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2997 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7564 times:

Looks like Lost Birds finally gave up the fight.
They remaining 880s are being scrapped.
http://www.convairjet.com/

I knew the odds were against them, but this is still sad.


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7457 times:

Wow, that is very sad. I was at my in-law's for Easter and we wound up playing a few games of cards and my mother-in-law took out at set "that would make me happy". It was a set from TWA with pictures of the Convair 880 on the front of each card. It is always sad to see a fleet type's life come to an end. Hopefully some will stay in museums.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24868 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7342 times:

I wonder how many (if any) 880s and 990s have been preserved apart from the ex-DL 880 used by Elvis Presley and now on display at Graceland, and the ex-Swissair 990 at the Swiss transport museum in Lucerne, Switzerland, where it's been for 32 years?


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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

You'd almost think that in this day and age, the scrapping companies would recognize the potential historic and emotional value of these aircraft above and beyond the value of the scrap metal. They can't be taking up so much space that they need to make room...It's just too bad, and very sad.

User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7236 times:

There was a previous thread about the emminent scrapping, after a last ditch sale on eBay proved unobtainable. A couple of Anetters suggested starting a fund raiser to save the Convairs. Again, too little, too late.

Reminds me of an even more obscure airliner slightly older than the 880.... less than half the size, and would have been able to fit in easier to existing airports at the time. Only the nose is left at the National Aviation Museum in Canada....

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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7167 times:

Sure was nice riding those rockets, as well as the DC-8-33's.

User currently offlineIFlyTWA From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

It's a real shame that they decided to scrap Ship 3.

Are these A/C still around?


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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7069 times:

I can't say that I'm surprised...I had my doubts when they announced thier intent to restore one to flying status . I'm not saying it can't be done,but it would be extremely expensive and labor intensive.Plus,where do you get the parts ? Let alone people that know how to work on a Convair?


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7009 times:

Ship 40 was scrapped a few years back. That one hurt.
It was my first Jet ride 6-18-61 ORD -MKC as N830TW, Flight 115.
safe



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6990 times:

NASA used two have two Convairs. I know one burned up back in the 1980s after a particularly ugly aborted takeoff out west (EDW? SBD? VCV?), but does anyone know if they still have the other one, either active (doubtful) or stored?

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

Was a treat to watch these planes (Delta) take off from CLT runway 18L-36R back in the '60's for JFK and ATL. I believe the runway was about 1000' shorter at the time (about 7800'), and the 880's would use most of it. Those parked in the lot at the north end (adjacent to the runway threshold) would hear a deafening roar/blast during takeoff in either direction.

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3500 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 3):
You'd almost think that in this day and age, the scrapping companies would recognize the potential historic and emotional value of these aircraft above and beyond the value of the scrap metal.

Not really. They are after all, businesses. If they're going to make more money off scrap metal than museum pieces, the birds are going to the chopping block.



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User currently offlineCIO666 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 9):



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 9):
NASA used two have two Convairs. I know one burned up back in the 1980s after a particularly ugly aborted takeoff out west (EDW? SBD? VCV?), but does anyone know if they still have the other one, either active (doubtful) or stored?

The other NASA 990 was retired and is now on display in front of Mojave airport. There's a photo of it in an earlier post in this thread. Mojave has another 990 (at least as of 06) used for kids tours and commercials. A security guard let me inside of this 990 in '04 and the interior is in pretty good shape. Lisa Marie, the Elvis Presley 880, may end up being the sole survivor of its type.


User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

All the CV880/990's in the photos posted in this thread are still in MHV and ELP, Ship 23 is now a pile of metal. The Fuselage forward of the wing box was saved and will be going to its birthplace to a museum in San Diego. Ship #3 was saved wing box forward is going to a museum in Atlanta. And Ship 13 is still intact but is going to be scrapped there is a rumour the scrapper is going to put it up on Ebay.

David
Team Convair 880
www.convairjet.com



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User currently offlineDH106 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 13):
Lisa Marie, the Elvis Presley 880, may end up being the sole survivor of its type.

There's another 880 still preserved outside Lisbon Airport, Portugal. N8806E.

On the 990 front, ex Spantax EC-BZO is still extant & complete (but poor condition) at a remote corner of Palma Airport, Majorca, and 2 fuselages are in use elsewhere in Spain as cabin trainers.



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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 11):
Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 3):
You'd almost think that in this day and age, the scrapping companies would recognize the potential historic and emotional value of these aircraft above and beyond the value of the scrap metal.

Not really. They are after all, businesses. If they're going to make more money off scrap metal than museum pieces, the birds are going to the chopping block.

Exactly my point...I know they are a business and the planes are worth scrap $$'s...that's a given. But I can't believe that there somehow isn't a little MORE value in sentiment and history sometimes. I guess I'm just a sentimental fool and it's time to put the dogs to sleep.  Sad


User currently offlineIFlyTWA From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 13):
All the CV880/990's in the photos posted in this thread are still in MHV and ELP, Ship 23 is now a pile of metal. The Fuselage forward of the wing box was saved and will be going to its birthplace to a museum in San Diego. Ship #3 was saved wing box forward is going to a museum in Atlanta. And Ship 13 is still intact but is going to be scrapped there is a rumour the scrapper is going to put it up on Ebay.

Thank you.

BTW What I meant to say in that thread was that it's sad that Ship 13 is going to be scrapped. Do you know what's going to happen to Ship 35?

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 15):
Exactly my point...I know they are a business and the planes are worth scrap $$'s...that's a given. But I can't believe that there somehow isn't a little MORE value in sentiment and history sometimes.

I understand that they are a business and need to make money, but when there is a minimal amount of these planes around and none are flying it's sad that no one has stepped forward with the cash to preserve one of them.



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User currently offlineSBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 13):
The other NASA 990 was retired and is now on display in front of Mojave airport.

I am glad to hear she found some kind of home. It is too bad though she could not have stayed at NASA Dryden on display. It was exciting to work with the 990 back in the 90's on the Space Shuttle main landing gear testing. What fun!  Big grin



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 13):
All the CV880/990's in the photos posted in this thread are still in MHV and ELP

So the former Denver Ports of Call CV-990 at ELP got a reprieve  Wink I'd heard she'd been sold to some scrappers as well...



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User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 13):
David
Team Convair 880

David I would just like to say thank you for trying to save a great looking aircraft! I wish I had a large sum of money to buy this historic bird but alas I don't.. It's really hard to try to explain to people who are not avid aircraft fans why planes like the 880 / 990 need to be saved if not for aesthetic purposes but for historic and sentimental reasons... Although I never got to fly on one of the Convair hot rods my father who worked on 340 / 440 / and his ultimate favorite aircraft of all time the 580 said:

"If the 580 can perform the way it does God only knows what those (880 / 990) things can do"

He also said that you could follow them for miles by the exhaust trail they left when departing the old DEN

So again thank you for trying to save a piece of history!

-Carl



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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 18):
So the former Denver Ports of Call CV-990 at ELP got a reprieve I'd heard she'd been sold to some scrappers as well

I personally would say my Employers former AAirplane got a reprieve. I would love to see it restored back to the AstroJet paint scheme it was delivered in.

David



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2583 times:

Looks like this guy has some Convair parts.... If you can't get a whole one, maybe a piece of one will do... Check his other auctions, as he has several pieces. (Not connected to him in any way).

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Conva...categoryZ26439QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2557 times:

Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 20):
I personally would say my Employers former AAirplane got a reprieve. I would love to see it restored back to the AstroJet paint scheme it was delivered in.

David

Heck, it would be a nice gift to the city of El Paso restored to her former AstroJet glory, especially considering that AA (under the guise of Standard Aviation) built ELP in 1929...  Wink



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User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

A friend once asked me if jet airliners had gotten slower, over the years, rather than faster; I had to answer, "yes."

The demise of the 880 was a turning point in airline history. After decades of speed being king, tonnage of passengers hauled ruled the skies. Speed-be-damned, service-be-damned, cram the sardines in the can, push back and ground stop 'em on a taxiway for 10 hours, if needed.

The era of speed officially died wjth the demise of the Concorde. I fully expect that Zeppelins, cruising at 70kts but carrying 1,500 passengers packed in containers, to be the next big thing over the Atlantic.


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