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DL YYZ-ATL Down To CRJ?  
User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Okay, something definitely looks wrong here. Toronto with a population of 5M should be large enough for a MD-88 or a 757. Even though the sked still shows a daily MD-88, the other 4 or 5 flights are regulated to CRJs. Doesn't DL have any 757s or 738s to spare to Canada's largest city?  confused 


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User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 748 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

I cant even get them to send any 738s and 757s to My city and I work for em!!  Smile

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3311 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

What is AC running on their flights? When DL and AC both started flying the route non-stop in the mid-90's, DL was running mainline equipment, AC ran the CRJ's. Perhaps AC has become the dominant player on the route?

User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 2):
What is AC running on their flights?

AC seems to flip flop their equipement on this route. Currently a mix of E75s and Jazz CRJs.


User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 663 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Quoting Bmacleod (Thread starter):
Doesn't DL have any 757s or 738s to spare to Canada's largest city?

Pure frequency over capacity.


User currently offlineDelta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting Bmacleod (Thread starter):
Doesn't DL have any 757s or 738s to spare to Canada's largest city?

During the bankruptcy, Delta has retired alot of aircraft without replacement. The mainline fleet is pretty much maxed out I hear.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

DL's problem is likely that YYZ has a large amount of US service and that ATL is not an especially attractive connecting point from YYZ except to Florida and Latin America, both of which are served fairly extensively from YYZ. Also, US' CLT hub competes with ATL more so than from a lot of other cities because US is a *A partner of AC.


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

DL has 6 dailies YYZ-ATL. Primary aircraft is the CRJ. The M88 is used on 1 or 2 dailies depending on the month and season, along with the CR7.

The 5 daily AC flights are a mix of E175 and CRJ.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 2):
When DL and AC both started flying the route non-stop in the mid-90's, DL was running mainline equipment

Correct. At one point in the mid-90's DL has 4 daily mainline (2 752/ 2 M88) and AC 4 daily 320/319.

I think it is not so much that traffic on this city pair has dropped, but there is alot more nonstop service from YYZ to other US points which has reduced the attraction of the ATL hub for Canadian travellers. Same as with capacity from YYZ to other US hubs.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Welcome to Montreal's world...

User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
DL's problem is likely that YYZ has a large amount of US service and that ATL is not an especially attractive connecting point from YYZ except to Florida and Latin America, both of which are served fairly extensively from YYZ. Also, US' CLT hub competes with ATL more so than from a lot of other cities because US is a *A partner of AC.



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 7):
I think it is not so much that traffic on this city pair has dropped, but there is alot more nonstop service from YYZ to other US points which has reduced the attraction of the ATL hub for Canadian travellers. Same as with capacity from YYZ to other US hubs.

Yes ! For many, ATL is a transfer ponit only. With so much direct traffic to/from the US, ATL's importance is compromised, and, just maybe, there really is no big natural market here.



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User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 748 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Quoting Delta787 (Reply 5):
During the bankruptcy, Delta has retired alot of aircraft without replacement. The mainline fleet is pretty much maxed out I hear.

pretty much hit the nail on the head there......

the higher-ups seem to like frequency over capacity, therefore more Rental Jets......

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 3):
AC seems to flip flop their equipement on this route. Currently a mix of E75s and Jazz CRJs

I don't think "flip flop" is an accurate analysis. AC wisely matches aircraft type to capacity on most of its routes. I think perhaps we are the industry leader in equipment changes.

Accordingly, AC mainline increases from 1-E175 flight YYZ/ATL to 3-E175 flights during the month of May.
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User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Quoting Delta787 (Reply 5):
During the bankruptcy, Delta has retired alot of aircraft without replacement. The mainline fleet is pretty much maxed out I hear.

 checkmark  Yep. Departure of the -54x B732 (perfect for the route), -26x B733, -15x B762, -4x B763D (rejected leases), -47x L-10, -129x B-727, -14x MD-11 and less entrants to the fleet - +21x B764, +~50x B757, +8 B777, ~+71 B738, +34 B763D/ER.

An overall loss of around 105 mainline Delta aircraft comparing annual reports from 1997 and 2004. Of course Comair frame count is through the roof compared over the same period, and there are many other additional Delta Connection carriers.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1538 times:

Despite the reduced capacity/demand on this route, I think AirTran could make a successful foray with 2 or 3 daily 712's.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 13):
Despite the reduced capacity/demand on this route, I think AirTran could make a successful foray with 2 or 3 daily 712's.

Agreed. Just don't know if being held hostage to the GTAA's extortionist landing fees fits in with their cost strategy. I'm sure those big $$$$ is what has kept Jet Blue away from YYZ (for the time being).



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User currently offlineAC77W From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Are you sure beacuse on March 16 I saw a Delta MD-80 leaving the gate and another MD-80 arriving there both bound for atlanta


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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

Quoting AC77W (Reply 15):
Are you sure beacuse on March 16 I saw a Delta MD-80 leaving the gate and another MD-80 arriving there both bound for atlanta

The second one could have been a swap, which is likely to happen. The sched only shows one MD-88 departure each day.



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