Bmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2092 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1567 times:
Okay, something definitely looks wrong here. Toronto with a population of 5M should be large enough for a MD-88 or a 757. Even though the sked still shows a daily MD-88, the other 4 or 5 flights are regulated to CRJs. Doesn't DL have any 757s or 738s to spare to Canada's largest city?
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Foxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 729 posts, RR: 19 Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1561 times:
I cant even get them to send any 738s and 757s to My city and I work for em!!
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3224 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1561 times:
What is AC running on their flights? When DL and AC both started flying the route non-stop in the mid-90's, DL was running mainline equipment, AC ran the CRJ's. Perhaps AC has become the dominant player on the route?
ATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 658 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1535 times:
Quoting Bmacleod (Thread starter): Doesn't DL have any 757s or 738s to spare to Canada's largest city?
Delta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1528 times:
Quoting Bmacleod (Thread starter): Doesn't DL have any 757s or 738s to spare to Canada's largest city?
During the bankruptcy, Delta has retired alot of aircraft without replacement. The mainline fleet is pretty much maxed out I hear.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21294 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1364 times:
DL's problem is likely that YYZ has a large amount of US service and that ATL is not an especially attractive connecting point from YYZ except to Florida and Latin America, both of which are served fairly extensively from YYZ. Also, US' CLT hub competes with ATL more so than from a lot of other cities because US is a *A partner of AC.
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Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16001 posts, RR: 59 Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1274 times:
DL has 6 dailies YYZ-ATL. Primary aircraft is the CRJ. The M88 is used on 1 or 2 dailies depending on the month and season, along with the CR7.
The 5 daily AC flights are a mix of E175 and CRJ.
Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 2): When DL and AC both started flying the route non-stop in the mid-90's, DL was running mainline equipment
Correct. At one point in the mid-90's DL has 4 daily mainline (2 752/ 2 M88) and AC 4 daily 320/319.
I think it is not so much that traffic on this city pair has dropped, but there is alot more nonstop service from YYZ to other US points which has reduced the attraction of the ATL hub for Canadian travellers. Same as with capacity from YYZ to other US hubs.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3895 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1202 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6): DL's problem is likely that YYZ has a large amount of US service and that ATL is not an especially attractive connecting point from YYZ except to Florida and Latin America, both of which are served fairly extensively from YYZ. Also, US' CLT hub competes with ATL more so than from a lot of other cities because US is a *A partner of AC.
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 7): I think it is not so much that traffic on this city pair has dropped, but there is alot more nonstop service from YYZ to other US points which has reduced the attraction of the ATL hub for Canadian travellers. Same as with capacity from YYZ to other US hubs.
Yes ! For many, ATL is a transfer ponit only. With so much direct traffic to/from the US, ATL's importance is compromised, and, just maybe, there really is no big natural market here.
Foxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 729 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1167 times:
Quoting Delta787 (Reply 5): During the bankruptcy, Delta has retired alot of aircraft without replacement. The mainline fleet is pretty much maxed out I hear.
pretty much hit the nail on the head there......
the higher-ups seem to like frequency over capacity, therefore more Rental Jets......
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1138 times:
Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 3): AC seems to flip flop their equipement on this route. Currently a mix of E75s and Jazz CRJs
I don't think "flip flop" is an accurate analysis. AC wisely matches aircraft type to capacity on most of its routes. I think perhaps we are the industry leader in equipment changes.
Accordingly, AC mainline increases from 1-E175 flight YYZ/ATL to 3-E175 flights during the month of May.
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B4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1105 times:
Quoting Delta787 (Reply 5): During the bankruptcy, Delta has retired alot of aircraft without replacement. The mainline fleet is pretty much maxed out I hear.
Yep. Departure of the -54x B732 (perfect for the route), -26x B733, -15x B762, -4x B763D (rejected leases), -47x L-10, -129x B-727, -14x MD-11 and less entrants to the fleet - +21x B764, +~50x B757, +8 B777, ~+71 B738, +34 B763D/ER.
An overall loss of around 105 mainline Delta aircraft comparing annual reports from 1997 and 2004. Of course Comair frame count is through the roof compared over the same period, and there are many other additional Delta Connection carriers.
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 945 times:
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 13): Despite the reduced capacity/demand on this route, I think AirTran could make a successful foray with 2 or 3 daily 712's.
Agreed. Just don't know if being held hostage to the GTAA's extortionist landing fees fits in with their cost strategy. I'm sure those big $$$$ is what has kept Jet Blue away from YYZ (for the time being).
767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 905 times:
Quoting AC77W (Reply 15): Are you sure beacuse on March 16 I saw a Delta MD-80 leaving the gate and another MD-80 arriving there both bound for atlanta
The second one could have been a swap, which is likely to happen. The sched only shows one MD-88 departure each day.
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Yep. Departure of the -54x B732 (perfect for the route), -26x B733, -15x B762, -4x B763D (rejected leases), -47x L-10, -129x B-727, -14x MD-11 and less entrants to the fleet - +21x B764, +~50x B757, +8 B777, ~+71 B738, +34 B763D/ER.
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