LHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6592 times:
Lufthansa will make an announcement this spring regarding the long-awaited renewal of its regional fleet, CEO Wolfgang Mayrhuber told ATWOnline last week.
"We are currently in talks with the manufacturers. After that, we will provide details," he said. He did not indicate the size of the order or if it would include aircraft for its Swiss International Air Lines subsidiary.
Lite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6403 times:
I think that the Embraer could be a good replacement for a number of the smaller types in the Lufthansa Group fleet, despite the fact that they have a large amount of Bombardier aircraft. The E-Jets have already been ordered by Swiss though have been deferred for some time, and bmi (Lufthansa owns 30% and has the option to buy outright next year) has been shown the E-Jet family as a possible augmentation aircraft for bmi regional or replacement aircraft for bmibaby.
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6007 times:
as to a decision whether the order will be placed with Embraer or Bombardier, perhaps it will order from both? LH officials have repeatedly stated that they want to source aircraft from two manufactures, so as not to be too dependent from just one supplier. although that was always claimed in combination with orders for the mainline fleet and having Airbus and Boeing in mind, perhaps this is a policy that applies to the regional fleet as well?
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
Saab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5911 times:
This is going to be interesting. The AVRO aircraft are comfortable and appropriate for a half-dozen specialized airports in Europe, but otherwise the EMB-170/175 - 190/195 would be an ideal replacement. They bridge the gap between traditional larger airplanes and so-called 'regional' aircraft very nicely.
I have flown in the EMB-170 and EMB-190 and can guarantee anyone who cares that from a passenger perspective there is simply no comparison with the CRJ products.
I believe that the EMB-170 can do LCY. I am not sure about the larger EMB-190 series, but if so it seems as if there would be no contest.
I guess we have all been over the CRJ vs EMB before. Not quite as bad as A vs B, but still debated.
I would like to see SWISS replace their Avros with EMB products when the time comes.
The "Jumbolino" name came in the 90s and is left over from the Crossair times. The planes themselves are nice though. Comfortable ride. The passengers like them AFAIK, though I think they would like the EMB-190 as a replacement aircraft too. And I am sure the EMB-190 is more efficient than the Avro/Jumbolino.
SailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5760 times:
I think it is pretty difficult to build a plane that is less efficient than the Avros/Jumbolinos/Quadrapuffs. From what we can see in LHs data, there's no airplane that consumes more fuel per 100pkm in the fleet.
V1valarob From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4864 times:
This is a little off-topic, but before I was a member of a.net I asked on the AOPA forums and I didnt get a good response but, how do they get aircraft like Q400's across the pond? Do they package them up and boat them, or do they stop in iceland? Are CRJ's able to get across when not weighed down?
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4800 times:
Quoting V1valarob (Reply 19): This is a little off-topic, but before I was a member of a.net I asked on the AOPA forums and I didnt get a good response but, how do they get aircraft like Q400's across the pond? Do they package them up and boat them, or do they stop in iceland? Are CRJ's able to get across when not weighed down?
Without passengers, the range increases significantly. You fly a route like north-eastern Canada - Greenland - Iceland - Scotland or something like this. And if the range is still insufficient, you can add auxiliary fuel tanks. These are removed after delivery.
LHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4618 times:
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 12): They are NOT awful at all, actually they are a very comfortable ride. What makes LH's Avros awful is the 3-3 seating. Have you ever flown on a 3-2 layout Avro? I'm sure you'd change your opinion.
Well to tell the truth not ... but my brother and in his opinion this A/Cs are very uncomfortable .
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3362 times:
Quoting Rainmaker (Reply 18): Somehow I think this regional jet order could be related to the retirement of the B735.
Are there any pilot scope clauses that regulate the number of aircraft that LH and LH CityLine can operate respectively, and which may hamper a combined B735/regional aircraft order?
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 9): I have flown in the EMB-170 and EMB-190 and can guarantee anyone who cares that from a passenger perspective there is simply no comparison with the CRJ products.
I assume that LH earns most of its revenue from business class-pax. On the CRJ the C class-pax has two seats to himself already, so LH may not find it worth the money to pay extra for slightly wider aircraft where seats are only 1 inch wider, plus the airport fees will be higher for the E190/E195 than for the CRJ900/1000 because the aircraft are physically bigger and thus heavier. Most European butts will fit comfortably in a 17" wide Y seat too, as I have read several favourable comments on the web about the CRJ900s "new cabin" with LH.
I do like the E-jets too, but the "wider seats" may not be a big selling point for LH, if the C class-concept continues to involve leaving 50% of all seats free, as there are limitations to what business people are willing to pay for a little extra space on a 90-minute flight. If LH decides to sell one seat per business class pax, then the extra seat width will appear more attractive, but that will then differ from the A32X and B737 cabins where two C pax share a row of three seats.
Bombardier are probably in serious talks with LH, both have benefitted from each other since 1992 when the CRJ100 was launched, and LH continues to show that the airline can still make loads of money despite having no PTVs in Y, flying the "gas-guzzling A346" and flying "those dreaded CRJs"...
Either way, LH will get the aircraft that suits their needs best.