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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32802 posts, RR: 71
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Martinair Cargo has announced non-stop cargo service to Sao Paulo from Miami, which will start this June. From Miami they currently have cargo flights to Amsterdam and Buenos Aires and passenger flights to Amsterdam and San Jose. They are also the majority owner of Tampa Cargo, with forty-two weekly cargo flights between Miami and Latin America.

In addition, they are moving their Americas headquaters from Boca Raton to Doral, right near their MIA operations. Martinair's American office in Doral will employ seventy people.

Article:
http://www.miamiherald.com/103/story/73554.html


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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

GRU? The only foreign regular cargo flight to GRU is AF Cargo's and it's an exception to the rule that forbids foreign regular dedicated cargo flights to that airport. Guess when they said São Paulo they meant VCP (Campinas - Viracopos).

[Edited 2007-04-14 20:26:42]


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 1):
GRU? The only foreign regular cargo flight to GRU is AF Cargo's and it's an exception to the rule that forbids foreign regular dedicated cargo flights to that airport. Guess when they said São Paulo they meant VCP (Campinas - Viracopos).

AF086, do you have info why its forbidden to use GRU for foreign airlines as cargo only destination????

Well if MP starts really GRU flights it will be great move for them. and I am sure the flights would come in full....



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

I'm guessing this route will be operated by MD-11Fs, right?

User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
AF086, do you have info why its forbidden to use GRU for foreign airlines as cargo only destination????

ANAC Regulation 188 states that GRU/SBGR purprose is to cope with pax demand of the São Paulo area. Authorized ops are: scheduled domestic pax and cargo (including mail) services, domestic non-regular pax services, scheduled international pax flights, international non-regular pax flights, non scheduled air-taxi services and general aviation operations.

The sole exception to this rule is Air France Cargo. They're the only foreign cargo airline flying to GRU regularly. All the others (Lufthansa Cargo, Polar, UPS, FedEx and so on) serve VCP and do not land at GRU. That's why I think that the newspaper got the destination wrong. They probably meant VCP which is still a big cargo destination. After VCP, hope they expand even further their south american ops.

[Edited 2007-04-15 07:29:52]


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 4):
The sole exception to this rule is Air France Cargo. They're the only foreign cargo airline flying to GRU regularly. All the others (Lufthansa Cargo, Polar, UPS, FedEx and so on) serve VCP and do not land at GRU. That's why I think that the newspaper got the destination wrong. They probably meant VCP which is still a big cargo destination. After VCP, hope they expand even further their south american ops.

but national airlines are allowed to use GRU for all cargo international flights (VarigLog) ? or do they reroute the flights via another brazilian destination in order to be within the national rule ?

Yes VCP is a strong cargo airport and LH for example is doing very very good on there flights.



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 5):
but national airlines are allowed to use GRU for all cargo international flights (VarigLog) ? or do they reroute the flights via another brazilian destination in order to be within the national rule ?

VLO flies internationally from Campinas as well. For instance their flights to Frankfurt have the following routing: VCP-REC-DKR-FRA. Same goes for Absa.



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9832 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

I was not aware of AF Cargo flying MIA-GRU or do you mean that they are allowed to fly the flight but don't operate the flight?

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User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

MP will serve VCP, just like before when if was on behalf of Varig.

Source: internal newspublication.


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 7):
I was not aware of AF Cargo flying MIA-GRU or do you mean that they are allowed to fly the flight but don't operate the flight?

AF Cargo flies CDG-DKR-GRU. They're the only foreign cargo operator at GRU. I don't know why the exception was made for them though.

Quoting 76er (Reply 8):
MP will serve VCP, just like before when if was on behalf of Varig.

Thank you for clearing things up!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9832 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 9):
AF Cargo flies CDG-DKR-GRU. They're the only foreign cargo operator at GRU. I don't know why the exception was made for them though.

Oww okay, now I understant it. I thought you meant that AF Cargo flies MIA-GRU but you mean that AF Cargo is allowed to fly cargo flights from GRU. Thank you for the clarification.

Strange why AF Cargo is allowed to have cargo flights from GRU while other foreign cargo airlines are not......

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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 6):
VLO flies internationally from Campinas as well. For instance their flights to Frankfurt have the following routing: VCP-REC-DKR-FRA. Same goes for Absa.

no they have also flights ex AMS and FRA into GRU I am only not sure if the first airport in brasil they arrive is GRU.



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1060 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):
no they have also flights ex AMS and FRA into GRU I am only not sure if the first airport in brasil they arrive is GRU.

No it isn't. The first airport they land in Brazil is REC. So the REC-GRU leg is considered domestic.



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