OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 28787 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3755 times:
It used to do all domestic flights with F50's and BAE146's and some regional UK flights. It was quite a good service but was dropped as it wasnt making money. It was one of the first things to go when the cut backs came in.
Shamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6452 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3741 times:
Yes it's a shame commuter had to go. I always had great flights on them, you were always treated like a biz passenger even when you were in economy. Now EI don't operate anything smaller than a 174 seat A230.
BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 4046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3705 times:
Quoting DL777LAX (Thread starter): What was it like? What routes did it operate? What aircraft did it use? Why was it dropped?
It was pretty much identical to mainline, AFIK. They flew fokker50s and BAe 146's.
(BHX, MAN, EDI, GLA, SOU, LCY, LGW, STN etc) would have been the mainstay, although there are pictures in the databaase of the 146s and Fokker50 in AMS, ZRH, CDG, BRU, FAO and LIN, so they were also used on european routes. At that time EI would not have flow to more than 15 destinations in Europe and the UK, so they appear to have used the commuter division relatively widely throguhout the network.
I suppose it was dropped because there was no real need for it. Although initially commuter flew mainy to the UK by the end it seem to have flow pretty much everywhere mainline might fly.
One of the Irish members Bx737 flew with EI commuter for a good few years, so he might be able to tell us a bit more about its demise.
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EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3625 times:
Aer Arann basically fed off the demise of Aer Lingus commuter. Ive never thought much of Arann to be honest, they are very average. It would have been nice if EI had been able to sort out the commuter end of things as they already held the PSO contracts but now its too late. They still seem to struggle to fill the A320s on some of the UK routes, with the likes of Jersey being only seasonal (just ask poor old Kaitak). I cant see Mannion going back to smaller aircraft than an A319.
Aer Lingus were seriously considering launching 'Aer Lingus Express' at one stage in the 1990's, basically a LCC offshoot (similar to BAs 'go') in response to Ryanair, but management dropped the plan at the time as apparently they wanted Aer Lingus to remain known as a quality brand. Obviously, eventually the situation got very bad, with the govt having to pump in direct cash (IR£175m IIRC), and the Cahill plan was put into force which sold off most of the airlines non-core business. Then Willie Wonka came in and blitzed the airlines whole cost base. Dont get me wrong, what Walsh did was absolutly nessessary, but sometimes I wonder did he go too far.
EISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3571 times:
With the growth of Aer Arann at the of the nineties, and EI looking to focus in one direction without any extra weight attached, EI dropped Commuter, but in a sense only dropped the F50s, and then brought the 146s into the mainline fleet. So the remaining 8 aircraft were merged back into the main fleet. However this was done in February 2001, so it came before the big cut backs, yet a few aircraft flew around for some time after wearing Commuter titles.
At the time EI arranged a code sharing agreement with Aer Arann on the domestic routes, but has sinced dropped that.
St. Flannan/ Fhlanain- She took off to find the footlights, And I took off for the sky
Pelican22 From Ireland, joined Mar 2006, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
Commuter,came about after the demise of Avair a small Irish independent,I think Arthur Wignall was a major shareholder or owner,they flew S-330s and B-200s and a B-99 ,it was the first attempt to establish a Domestic and regional network from Dublin,they flew to Derry,Sligo,Belfast and seasonal to IOM and Blackpool,EI had a codeshare on their flights to Belfast, Aer lingus then set up Commuter ,flying a S-330 to compete with Avair.
Voodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3375 times:
Didn't they crash a shed (330/360) near Manchester, or Leeds, or somewhere at some time? '80s? But everyone walked away, 'box' intact!
Some wiki details: >in 1986, when a Shorts 360 hit high-tension power lines after rolling.<[sic]
Philb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3214 times:
Quoting Aviopic (Reply 20): Even further further back they were the very first F27 operator with the first production airframe(cn.10105) delivered on Nov.19-1955. Although not named commuter at the time.
Not only had Aer Lingus Commuter not been thought of when the last F-27 left EI service in 1966 - it was almost 18 years in the future - but the delivery of the first F-27 was November 19 1958
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12956 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3169 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 12): Thats right, the most recent EI crash was a Shorts 340 which hit powerlines at east midlands in 1986.
It was a Shorts 360, EI-BEM. That aircraft came down on approach to 09, the opposite end of the runway to where the BMI 737 came down three years later (to the month). The most serious injury in the EI accident was actually to the fire crews, when one of the fire tenders overturned. It's quite an achievement that this is EI's last hull loss and in (now) 46 years of jet operations, it has never had a jet hull loss. Only AY and QF have similar records.
I never got to fly on an EI 360, although I've flown the type with Jersey European (as it was then) and Aurigny, our local airline down here in Jersey. I always like ALC; I flew quite a few times on the Fokker 50s; they were nice - and on the 146s, which were less nice, but I always liked the fact that I usually managed to get the jump seat. Oh, those good old days!
: That was only the prototype. The first production model Fokker F-27 wasn't delivered until 1958. The first F-27 delivered and in service, with Seattl
: That was a very unfortunate incident. IIRC the 737-300(or was it -400?) had not been in service long (the frame had leaa than 1000 hrs, IIRC). The ne
: ...and your point is? Before "correcting" me, please try and understand the context of what I have written. This thread is about Aer Lingus Commuter.
: We are going of topic but anyway this is not correct. There were 4 proto's, 2 flying and 2 static(cn's 10101 to 10104) Remains of proto 1(10101). Vie
: Thanks for the further info. West Coast was the first to put the F-27 in service, correct?
: You're welcome. West Coast is correct. Although I got all the dates correct I did mess up my conclusions Viscount724. It was the FH27 delivered befor