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Future Delta 767-300er Routes  
User currently offlinePapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 523 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13658 times:

With the addition of the 13 ex twa/aa 757-200er's starting in July 2007, some 767-300er's will be replaced on shorter routes by the 757. What new routes do you see for Delta utilizing the freed up 767's?

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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13645 times:

Quoting Papatango (Thread starter):
With the addition of the 13 ex twa/aa 757-200er's starting in July 2007, some 767-300er's will be replaced on shorter routes by the 757. What new routes do you see for Delta utilizing the freed up 767's?

Perhaps some more routes to Africa, or some longer European routes.



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User currently offlineCurticool From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13473 times:

Delta Retire The 767-300ER And Use The Longer Ranged Newer 767-400ER More Often
I Don't Know When This Will Go In Effect Probably 2008-2009


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13458 times:

Quoting Curticool (Reply 2):
Delta Retire The 767-300ER And Use The Longer Ranged Newer 767-400ER More Often

...not going to happen, except for the fleet-oddballs.

That, and the 763ER has longer range than the 764ER.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13445 times:

Quoting Curticool (Reply 2):
Delta Retire The 767-300ER And Use The Longer Ranged Newer 767-400ER More Often
I Don't Know When This Will Go In Effect Probably 2008-2009

No, that will not happen. While Delta intends on converting all of their 767-400 fleet to international, they will mostly be used on major European routes. The 767-300ERs will continue to serve longer, less popular routes from ATL and JFK, and the ex-TWA 757s will serve some smaller European destinations from JFK.



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13411 times:

yeah, the 764 simply doesn't have the legs for places like IST, DKR, SVO, KBP, etc.
-A



What now?
User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13356 times:

Is DL content using the 763 for all of this international expansion? For an airline that touts they are the fastest growing, they sure have a pretty small widebody fleet, when I say widebody I mean 744, 346, 343, 772, 77W.

User currently offlineCurticool From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13343 times:

That surprises me the Delta is keeping there ageing 300ER's most airlines have stored there 200's and 300's
and replaced them with the 400ER'S


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13337 times:

Quoting Curticool (Reply 7):
That surprises me the Delta is keeping there ageing 300ER's most airlines have stored there 200's and 300's
and replaced them with the 400ER'S

Um, Delta and Continental are the only operators of the 767-400ER. The 767-300ER is still in service with many airlines. Once Delta orders the 787 we will likely be seeing the 767-300ERs replaced.



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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13322 times:

I would love to see ATL-GLA!!!! PLEASE start this one, ATL-EDI is great but I would love DL to start GLA service. Maybe now that AC & AA have left the GLA market maybe DL can make it work. I don't see DL starting JFK-GLA/EDI due to the CO EWR service so close to JFK...never know though.


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User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13291 times:

Any thoughts on whether any trans-Pacific routes are possible from LAX using 763? 763 was used by Asiana for SEA-SEL in the past, although obviously LAX is further from Asia than SEA.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13272 times:

Quoting B752OS (Reply 6):
Is DL content using the 763 for all of this international expansion? For an airline that touts they are the fastest growing, they sure have a pretty small widebody fleet, when I say widebody I mean 744, 346, 343, 772, 77W.

How are those any more of a widebody than their 767s? I fail to see the logic here.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4753 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13235 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
How are those any more of a widebody than their 767s? I fail to see the logic here

Because for some, it's all about size  Wink



That being said, the 76's legs are just starting to be stretched by Delta....



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13165 times:

Quoting B752OS (Reply 6):
when I say widebody I mean 744, 346, 343, 772, 77W.

What you consider to be what is of immeasurable inconsequence...

...the fact remains that with 142 such aircraft, DL possesses one of the largest widebody fleets of any airline flying.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13145 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 13):
What you consider to be what is of immeasurable inconsequence...

...the fact remains that with 142 such aircraft, DL possesses one of the largest widebody fleets of any airline flying.

Let me rephrase my comments. Considering DL is expanding internationally, Asia is an area where they would need larger/longer range aircraft, i.e 772 or 345, is DL content with only having 8 772 and a few 772lrs on order?


User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13137 times:

Would like to see both WAW and LIS added to the network.

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13138 times:

Quoting B752OS (Reply 14):
is DL content with only having 8 772 and a few 772lrs on order?

That may change.

DL's 763ER are some of the best maintained a/c out there. DL will find new routes or double up on capacity for existing ones. I'd like to see SVO go 2x daily.

MCOflyer



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13123 times:

Here are some routes that I think we will possibly be seeing the 767-400 on once all of them are converted:
  • ATL-CDG (2x)
  • ATL-MXP (1x)
  • ATL-FCO (1x)
  • ATL-LGW (2x)
  • ATL-FRA (1x)
  • ATL-LHR   (1x or 2x)
  • ATL-MAN (1x)
  • ATL-HNL (1x)
  • JFK-LGW (1x)
  • JFK-SNN (1x)
  • JFK-CDG (1x)
  • JFK-LHR (1x)
  • CVG-FCO (1x)


Since all 21 of the 767-400s are being converted, I am sure there will be a few more routes that what I listed. This will free some of the 767-300ERs on longer routes. On some of the routes, we may also see some 767-300ERs operating together with the 767-400ERs. The ex-TWA 757s will likely serve some of the minor European destinations.

[Edited 2007-04-16 01:01:22]


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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13054 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 5):
764 simply doesn't have the legs for places like IST, DKR, SVO, KBP, etc.

Sure it does! Delta serves IST, KBP, and SVO from JFK anyway with the exception of ATL-SVO, And ATL-DKR is only something like 4000-4200 miles.

My predictions:
JFK-LED
ATL-WAW
LAX-NRT (Slots permitting)
ATL-REC/FOR/SSA
JFK-SOF
JFK-TLV
JFK-CAI
LAX-NGO



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12986 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 18):
My predictions:
JFK-LED
ATL-WAW
LAX-NRT (Slots permitting)
ATL-REC/FOR/SSA
JFK-SOF
JFK-TLV
JFK-CAI
LAX-NGO

Is that for the 767-300ER or 767-400ER? I don't think that those routes could really fill a 767-400ER.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12963 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 17):
ATL-CDG (2x)
ATL-MXP (1x)
ATL-FCO (1x)
ATL-LGW (2x)
ATL-FRA (1x)
ATL-LHR (1x or 2x)
ATL-MAN (1x)
ATL-HNL (1x)
JFK-LGW (1x)
JFK-SNN (1x)
JFK-CDG (1x)
JFK-LHR (1x)
CVG-FCO (1x)

I'd take JFK-SNN off that list (perfect candidate for a 752) and CVG-FCO, but add CVG-LGW and CVG-CDG. We could also expect to see the 764 on ATL-JFK-JNB if the route is doing well (and maybe even a 77L in the future).

I also think your list will work great in the summer, but would need cutbacks in the winter. Thus, the 764s could go to EZE and GRU in the winter (especially EZE).

As far as future routes on the 763s, how about:
JFK - LED, WAW, CAI, TLV, MUC, ZRH, GVA, LYS, Casablanca, NBO (via somewhere in West Africa)
ATL - GLA, ARN, PSA, LIS, HNL (replace the 764)
LAX - KIX, NGO, FUK, ICN, GRU
FLL/MIA - GRU, CDG

And for fun, how about the 752 routes?
JFK - SNN, DUB, MAN, GLA, LIS, HAM
SLC - OGG, KOA
LAX - KOA
FLL /MIA - ???


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12952 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 19):
s that for the 767-300ER or 767-400ER? I don't think that those routes could really fill a 767-400ER.

A number of those routes would have difficulty filling a 763. ATL-WAW (as much as I love Poland and would love to see it) comes to mind.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4753 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12937 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 20):
As far as future routes on the 763s, how about:
JFK - LED, WAW, CAI, TLV, MUC, ZRH, GVA, LYS, Casablanca, NBO (via somewhere in West Africa)
ATL - GLA, ARN, PSA, LIS, HNL (replace the 764)
LAX - KIX, NGO, FUK, ICN, GRU
FLL/MIA - GRU, CDG

There's some interesting thoughts there...

 Wink



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12929 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 20):
Thus, the 764s could go to EZE and GRU in the winter (especially EZE).

DL execs specifically said at the recent investor conference that they expect the 764s to be heavily deployed to S. America during the US winter.

Also, CVG-FCO shouldn't surprise anyone as a 764 route. It is one this summer - using a domestic configured a/c. CVGCDG and CVGLGW will be 763s, methinks.

Also, there will be no DL MIA-S. America routes. FLL, very possibly but probably with the 757 because the 763 could be payload limited heading south due to FLL's 9000 ft runway.

Also, Poland is the 2nd largest economy is Eastern Europe IIRC. ATL-WAW is not so far fetched.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12896 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 23):

Also, Poland is the 2nd largest economy is Eastern Europe IIRC. ATL-WAW is not so far fetched.

Poland also has far more service to the U.S. than any other eastern European country. LO flies 42 weekly flights in the summer (not counting the new JFK-RZE service), and LO can handily undersell any American carrier due to their far lower labor costs.

While it's true that some of this difference is attributable to the massive amount of VFR traffic in the market, especially from Chicago but also from NYC/Philly, I'm not sure how much traffic there really is for DL to pick up. A solid competitor can really trash an already questionable route.



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25 Avatordon : JFK-EZE might be a possibility as well with new US - Argentina bilateral.
26 SESGDL : DL will begin using 763ERs from LAX-Asia as early as 2008, most likely 2009. DL has likely the most potential of any airline on earth with its curren
27 WorldTraveler : sounds like you want to keep Poland as a nice little spot for LO. Poland should have plenty of air service to the US; although none of it is on a US
28 Cubsrule : Well, I flew DL/AF last time I was there (and had a nice experience except for CDG 2B). And I certainly do know that DL is aware of how much traffic
29 SLCUT2777 : I think you'll see ALL SLC-Hawaii operations routed through LAX no matter what a/c after this fall when the schedule comes out. Word is that DL is re
30 UN_B732 : I also heard some talk of JFK-ZAG, that would be a nice 763 market. -A
31 HUYfan : Maybe Atlanta-Birmingham (763) Atlanta-Geneva (763) Atlanta-Hamburg (763) Atlanta-Istanbul (763) Atlanta-Lisbon (763) Atlanta-London LHR (763) Atlanta
32 B752OS : That's quite a large expansion out ATL for flights to Europe. I have to ask, wouldn't it make the most sense to have the bulk of the European build u
33 Jr : How about HEL? Will DL ever get into this market from JFK or ATL? Didn't they briefly serve that market in the 90s after taking over Panam's routes? J
34 Andaman : I don't think there would be markets for DL. Maybe if they flew 757, like CO to Oslo. The route isn't any gold mine for AY, they often have offers li
35 LTU932 : I hope that one day, DL will give HAM another shot, only this time from ATL. Given that, with CO's 757 flight out of EWR and EK's 77W/A345 out of JFK,
36 Post contains images PA101 : Well - as much as I'd love to see DL come back to HAM - DL served HAM-ATL before. It started in the late 80s with L1011 service via LGW, then went on
37 Post contains images DAL767400ER : DL finally left Hamburg in February 1999, sad times . About the JFK flight, not sure when it was operated how, but in 1995, DL operated ATL-HAM-CPH-JF
38 PA101 : Hmm... as far as I know, they never flew it nonstop, even after taking the PA routes (which flew it thrice weekly at one point or another with an A31
39 WorldTraveler : DL's transatlantic operation in ATL is very profitable despite it being 80%+ connecting traffic. Local traffic is good but if connecting traffic that
40 Cubsrule : How much more expansion to Europe can ATL handle before Concourse F opens? DL does a reasonably good job of spacing out arrivals, but it seems like cu
41 OB1504 : Your profile lists your occupation as "Delta Air Lines pilot". I find it amazing that someone could be a pilot with one of the world's largest and we
42 CV880 : DL did fly nonstop ATL-HAM using 763's before they pulled out for the last time. Also flew A310's out of JFK to FBU, ARN, HEL, CPH and 727's out of F
43 Exusair : All pure speculation but submitted with great thought and a few drinks. From JFK ...If Kitty Hawk was the cradle of aviation, JFK is the diaper bin of
44 Cubsrule : If they went to Bolivia, it'd be VVI. It's a more prosperous part of the country and has most of the oil and gas industry traffic.
45 PA101 : @CV880 Jup - you are right. My comment about DL 80/81 was in regards to HAM-JFK that was never served nonstop by DL, even though PA did before... HAM-
46 Panamair : Possible for the winter only....The summer loads particularly up front are pretty incredible...There are not too many flights out there that sell out
47 Post contains images DLBOIFIN : Andaman, you just found the market for DL from HEL! Seriously, why do th Finns have to always fly thru some European city to get to the USA? AY's HEL
48 Cubsrule : TXL-JFK is going to have a real hard time making it on a consistent basis in the winter. That's really taxing the range of the 752.
49 PA101 : By the way, even though slightly OT, how is TXL-JFK doing? Well, fairly, or poorly???
50 WorldTraveler : this has been discussed many times before. The DL 757s are PW powered which has better revenue performance than RR powered aircraft. CO already does
51 Cubsrule : CO also spends a lot of time stopping at MAN, SNN, or YQX in the winter. As I said, it's doable, but there would be stops.
52 OB1504 : What about a triangular ATL-LPB-VVI-ATL routing, like what AA does on some of their Bolivia flights out of MIA?
53 Andaman : US-Europe markets seem to be some higher science, but 752 could work on HEL-NYC. And yes, AY's target here is in the Eastern Europe for sure - and wh
54 Post contains images Centrair : What will be the range of DL's 763ERs once ready for international use? OZ and AC have used 767s on transpac. OZ used 763ER and AC 762ERs. Boeing say
55 WorldTraveler : Centrair, you get the idea. And those range charts were created before knowing what winglets will do for the 763ER. There are dozens of routes that co
56 Cubsrule : I don't know what value LPB would have to DL. AA grabs a lot of VFR traffic ex-MIA, but I would guess that most of the traffic connecting over MIA is
57 Post contains images Ncelhr : Yes Exusair has to be kidding on this one. It is downright impossible to get a seat in any class on that flight in the summer except if: 1. you are r
58 Jfk777 : 763ER from LAX have NEVER been used to Asia. In the whole history of 763ER's the only service from the USA or Canada to Asia has been through Vancouve
59 Post contains images RwSEA : Hey, if DL wanted to start a Trans-Pacific hub in SEA, I'd have no problem with that at all .
60 LTU932 : LAX-FRA is actually 5045 nm still air distance. The 6105 nm range is the stated range with a full passenger load and their bags and a fully fueled ai
61 Jfk777 : Chances of Delta going hubbing in Seattle are about ZERO. LAX is where there is going to be some 777LR international action from what DL's recent pre
62 Evan767 : Yeah well that's what they said when the rumors went around about Delta expanding in MIA...or did it turn out to be FLL? Or did that just turn out to
63 Alitalia744 : There will be no SEA hub unless DL takes over AS, which clearly isn't in the cards. There are airports that DL can look to serve both from JFK, ATL an
64 Evan767 : In your opinion, do you think we will see more growth to Africa? I am not talking just about one route, such as JFK-CAI. I am talking 3-4-5 more rout
65 Post contains images Alitalia744 : I would imagine.
66 DAL767400ER : More expansion in Africa is definitely something that will happen for DL, there's just alot of potential. Obviously, JFK-CAI seems to be the most logi
67 Post contains images EVA777SEA : I think it was a joke... Besides, we can always dream
68 Belizexp : I can see this happening look at SA, LY and JM codeshare agreement bye bye AT hello DL.... Will be back on DL map sooner then you know.....
69 Lijnden : I would like to reply to post 45 and 46. Delta flew many years with L1011 the route Stuttgart > Amsterdam > Atlanta Further; If the routes to Europe w
70 Cubsrule : Why haven't they yet done this? Is it just because AF has the metal and DL does not? There would certainly be cost advantages to DL handling some of
71 DAL767400ER : Because except for BOS, it doesn't make any sense for Delta to operate a route like MIA-CDG or IAD-CDG, given that you already have AF on those route
72 Cubsrule : BOS and EWR are not NW focus cities either...
73 DAL767400ER : But AMS is, which is why they operate these flights. You also gotta consider that NW for the past years, if not decades, has been extremely AMS-conce
74 Cubsrule : True. However, there are always going to be folks who need to connect over CDG to get to the Middle East, Africa (in particular; AF has quite a stron
75 Horus : Expect to see a daily JFK-CAI-JFK B763 service from S08. Horus
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