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OOL & New Long Haul Business?  
User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

now that OOL runway extensions are now complete, are they likely to get much new longhaul business in the short term?

http://www.goldcoastairport.com.au/internationalbusiness.htm

Apparently, OOL has none of the traffic rights restrictions of BNE, SYD or MEL. Would any airline who can't at present get into one of these airports look at OOL instead?

Could OOL actually attract passengers from brisbane or the southside of brisbane? With new road access(Tugan bypass) almost complete could airlines tempt passngers to fly longhaul out of OOL rather than BNE?

OOL claims to be low cost & can take up to B777/A340 aircraft with new 2492 metre runway.

http://www.goldcoastairport.com.au/p...hnicalOperatingCapabilityJan07.pdf

As the crow flies BNE & OOL are only ~59 miles/95kms apart. Travelling time by road between the 2 with no traffic jams is probably just over an hour. The log jams that currently occur where the motorway meets the coast road at Tugan will be largely diminshed when Tugan bypass is finished as thru traffic in both directions will stay on motorway freeing up access to airport.

The only hard thing, is how would passengers not from Brisbane get to & from airport? Public transport is messy.

Comments?

Michael

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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9041 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Quoting Easyas321 (Thread starter):
Comments?

Understand that Oasis Hong Kong are looking at the route form HKG with a 744.



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User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 1):
Understand that Oasis Hong Kong are looking at the route form HKG with a 744.

Runway might not be long enough for 744 with max load to reach HKG ??? Anyone know for sure?


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Quoting Easyas321 (Thread starter):
Could OOL actually attract passengers from brisbane or the southside of brisbane?

Depends of what kind of passengers you are thinking about. As the airport says itself, it low-cost. This means that you've to walk on the ramp to reach the aircraft and to board through stairs. Those willing to come down from BNE and experience a different kind of airport with no fingers to board, and so on, they'll come. My perception of Coolangatta is really one of an airport serving the surf industry of the Gold Coast.

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 2):
Runway might not be long enough for 744 with max load to reach HKG ???

The route is 3790nm, and from OOL I don't expect the aircraft to be heavily ladden with cargo. I'm no pilot of course, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a B744 full of people (359) and their luggages can take off from a ~2500m runway.


User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 1):
Understand that Oasis Hong Kong are looking at the route form HKG with a 744.

Zeke now don't toy with me by getting me all excited with this statement. Boy I hope you are right, because from what I see of their prices and product on their LGW run they look very impressive. Mind you I haven't actually experienced them and I do realize that it is just a glossy web site but I think they would do well in to OOL. BNE & OOL are basically one big city so there is a huge catchment area which is growing extremely fast.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 683 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

I was informed that China Airlines and Cathay Pacific have shown interest in flying to OOL (may be past interest or still current). I can't see a huge number of airlines commencing services, with close proximity to Brisbane (with much better facilities).

Interesting to note that QF180 is operating NRT-OOL-MEL (departing NRT on 28 June) with the A330-300.

Rgds


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9041 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 2):
Runway might not be long enough for 744 with max load to reach HKG ??? Anyone know for sure?

Some back of the envelope calculations, in 2500m the TOW would be restricted to about 340t.

Say 90-100t of fuel (744 about 10t/hr), and a OEW of 190t, that would give about 50-60t of available payload, enough for full pax plus some cargo.

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 3):
The route is 3790nm, and from OOL I don't expect the aircraft to be heavily laden with cargo

Its more like 4042 nm along the designated airways.

Quoting Qantas787 (Reply 4):
Zeke now don't toy with me by getting me all excited with this statement.

Do know, just what you hear. They also seem to be planning a number of north America destinations.

OOL-HKG-LGW is about 18-19 hrs, if they have 2 aircraft doing that a day, that is pretty good utilisation.



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User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 3):
Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 2):
Runway might not be long enough for 744 with max load to reach HKG ???

The route is 3790nm, and from OOL I don't expect the aircraft to be heavily ladden with cargo. I'm no pilot of course, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a B744 full of people (359) and their luggages can take off from a ~2500m runway.

359 pax !!!

What about 440 or more.

Oasis surely have a reasonably high density seating configuration. Freight into OOL from HKG could be huge, as stuff all difference to BNE. Can OOL handle much freight?

Many companies are setting up head ofice in BNE region, who import from China, as road freight south to SYD eg. is cheap as backloading, so cheap distribution rather than the other way around which is expensive & congested at SYD.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2757 times:
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I'm thinking EK. They are desperate to get more flights to Australia. They could route a 345 non stop to BNE and then a 773 to OOL via SIN. Jetstar might also be interested?

User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 7):
359 pax !!!

What about 440 or more.

Oasis' 744's are only configured with 359 thats what amazes me about their prices. Business class at half the price of legacy carriers but still with 60" pitch.


User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 906 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

There has been rumours around that a Middle Eastern carrier was going to do season flights into OOL once the runway upgrade was complete. From May - July the Cold Coast is the number 1 Australian destination for Middle Eastern tourism.


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 6):
Its more like 4042 nm along the designated airways.

Thanks for that correction.

Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 7):
What about 440 or more.



Quoting Qantas787 (Reply 9):
Oasis' 744's are only configured with 359 thats what amazes me about their prices. Business class at half the price of legacy carriers but still with 60" pitch.

O8 B744s are configured for 81 C and 278 Y seats.

http://www.oasishongkong.com/gb/en/aboutus/fleet.aspx


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Oasis Airlines is planning to come to the Gold Coast as it is cheap, its not competing with Cathay Pacific and its the Gold Coast! EK definetly will do seasonal I think. Maybe Eithad (That would be so cool!). Qantas has shown no interest (cause there slack) and Jetstar was at one stage looking at KIX. Cathay, Air NZ, SQ (doubt it will happen) and JAL have all shown alot of interest!

User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 12):
Oasis Airlines is planning to come to the Gold Coast as it is cheap, its not competing with Cathay Pacific and its the Gold Coast! EK definetly will do seasonal I think. Maybe Eithad (That would be so cool!). Qantas has shown no interest (cause there slack) and Jetstar was at one stage looking at KIX. Cathay, Air NZ, SQ (doubt it will happen) and JAL have all shown alot of interest!

Have heard there is some interest from a low cost North American carrier, who might fly 1 stop to North America (not LAX or SFO) but to place people actually want to go to, not pass thru.

Maybe as a cheaper alternative to BNE. They might use train & coach from parts of BNE, but really only 1 hours drive from most of Brisbane to OOL, as long as not in peak hour.

The Southwest effect - I think it was something like 2 hours people in the U.S. were prepared to drive to get low cost flights.


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Yes Zoom is looking at flights to Australia, a buit like Canada 3000 used to do.

User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 14):
Yes Zoom is looking at flights to Australia, a buit like Canada 3000 used to do

Except we heard that they will avoid HNL like the plague.

Where do u here Zoom were coming ?


User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 906 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Good news for OOL and the traveling public in general.


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User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 12):
and Jetstar was at one stage looking at KIX. Cathay, Air NZ, SQ (doubt it will happen) and JAL have all shown alot of interest!

NZ wont even thou its A320's go in all the time but its for its LCC subsidary Freedomair that uses the NZ A320's



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User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

WHat about Air Aisa longhaul in their 333's & Kiwijet in their 733's ?

User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Zoom! Please tell me that isnt made up cause that would be so cool

User currently offlineEasyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 16):
Good news for OOL and the traveling public in general.

just heard they may be some regular (not sure what that means in reality) charters to ports not currently flown to in NZ, from either BNE or OOL or both.

Anyway else here anything like this?


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