Ronerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1544 posts, RR: 54 Posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10479 times:
I was told today that Etihad Airways announced an order to NARROW body aircraft today. I don't know how many and what kind but they are supposedly going to be for regional feeds (i.e. Kuwait etc) into the network and hence, the wide-body's will be available for longer routes.
I was definitely not under the impression that EY had narrow bodies in their business model .. but i guess things change over time.
Can anyone verify this? How many? What kind?
Thanks.
Roni
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PropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 586 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10333 times:
if it's true, it will be very interesting to see the integration into the network.
Ronerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1544 posts, RR: 54 Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10226 times:
I did a quick search on the net to find anything and came accross this from reuters:
Quote: He said Eithad Airways, owned by the Abu Dhabi government, might need a narrow-body aircraft for a planned regional expansion and a wide-body aircraft for more long-haul routes. He declined to say how many.
"We are also looking at the Boeing 737 and A320," he told the Reuters Middle East Investment Summit in Dubai.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3997 posts, RR: 93 Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10144 times:
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Quoting Ronerone (Thread starter): I was told today that Etihad Airways announced an order to NARROW body aircraft today.
To clarify, they have not announced an order, but an intention to order or lease narrowbody aircraft;
By Massoud A. Derhally
April 16 (Bloomberg) -- Etihad Airways, the national airline of the United Arab Emirates, plans to buy or lease as many as nine single-aisle planes as it seeks to increase the frequency of flights in the Persian Gulf region.
''We are looking at narrow-body aircraft and we'd like, if possible, to introduce them in the backend of 2008,'' Chief Executive Officer James Hogan said in a telephone interview from Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates. ''It depends on what is available in the marketplace.''
Etihad already aims to increase the fleet to 33 aircraft from 25 planes by the end of this year and is considering Airbus SAS 320s and Boeing Co. 737 models. The airline will either lease or buy planes and use them to add regional flights, Hogan said. He declined to say how much the airline may spend.
So 9 frames in total and if they want Boeing then leasing could be the better option given that DL sold 2008 delivery slots to Babcock & Brown along with another lessor. As for Airbus they may have production slots more readily available for the time frame Mr Hogan mentions given planned production increases.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15810 posts, RR: 50 Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9892 times:
Quoting Ronerone (Thread starter): I was definitely not under the impression that EY had narrow bodies in their business model ..
It's one of the few things that EK and QR haven't really done and I've always thought would be a good move--use narrowbodies for either increased frequency and connectivity or connect destinations (like Central Asia) that can't possible support a widebody.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15810 posts, RR: 50 Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9744 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 10): IIRC QR has a320's for regional routes
They do, but they go as far as DAR, VIE, and KTM, and for the most part seem to be going to pretty big destinations that other carriers serve with widebodies.
Karan69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2796 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9662 times:
I think the A320s will fit in very well with the WB fleet of EY which has a majority of Airbus in it, but could Boeing swing it their way, As far as i can think i feel this is Airbuses Order to loose.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11429 posts, RR: 50 Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9165 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9): It's one of the few things that EK and QR haven't really done and I've always thought would be a good move--use narrowbodies for either increased frequency and connectivity or connect destinations (like Central Asia) that can't possible support a widebody.
Well QR already has a reasonable fleet of A32x used for regional flights. I've flown on their A32xs to DXB and KWI.
I don't think EK's business plan goes down to narrowbody planes. For example, I've flown DOH-DXB many times on EK. I've flown everything in their fleet from the A310 (now leaving), through A330s and 772s to 773s. One time there were about 100 pax on a 773. But, that sucker was full of cargo.
Likewise, on a 2.5hr flight from DXB-BOM, they are now using 773ERs in high density config - over 40 rows of 10Y seats! There wasn't a spare seat on the plane.
Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2210 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6413 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 5): Theres no point having 2 A380s, they have to get more.
Etihad has on order 4 A380s, the 4 which are the Airbus test aircraft actually.
Qatar has 2 on order, and there is nothing wrong with that. At most, the routes Qatar will be requiring an A380 are Doha-LHR and charter/royal family flights. 2 A380s are enough for them.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5648 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 10): Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
It's one of the few things that EK and QR haven't really done
IIRC QR has a320's for regional routes. EK doesn't.
....I've seen their A320LR in KHI a bunch of times...
Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 15): Quoting Kappel (Reply 10):
IIRC QR has a320's for regional routes. EK doesn't.
EK use the 777 and 330 on short haul to uplift cargo. Both flights ex BAH have full cargo capacity on a daily basis.
....I've been on a bunch of empty EK flights...but a few times, the flight was delayed to load cargo...
Detroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4789 times:
Im guessing they are going to go for the airbus, simply because i was under the impression that the 737 was sold out for a few years???
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18): I've been on a bunch of empty EK flights...but a few times, the flight was delayed to load cargo...
I can never understand how an airline, that does regional flights can survive on an all widebody fleet!!!!!
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4734 times:
Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 19): Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
I've been on a bunch of empty EK flights...but a few times, the flight was delayed to load cargo...
I can never understand how an airline, that does regional flights can survive on an all widebody fleet!!!!!
1)on days when the flights are full, more than makes up for the lesser days....look at AA's LHR service...I just flew LHR-ORD (AA-91) and there might have been 100 pax on board..max..yet AA still does quite well on LHR-ORD during other days...
2)..again, as I mentioned above....cargo! It sometimes more than makes up for lack of pax..in fact, its sometimes more profitable...
...that being said, I think EK does need narrow-body planes for certain routes......
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4106 times:
Quoting COA735 (Reply 21): Im not famaliar with EK or EY's fleet. Do they only have wide bodies. If so, do they fly short commuter type routes or just long haul routes?
...they do have "short" 90-120 minutes flights to KHI, etc..all with either A330's, B777s... ....
...at this present moment, both EK and EY have only widebody planes....
ReverseThrust From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3766 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9): It's one of the few things that EK and QR haven't really done
So the fleet is Qatar A320's and a couple of A321's is all in my imagination then?
Qatar Airways only have a small fleet, perhaps just over a dozen narrowbody's, mainly for flights to India, Pakistan and, now and again, Moscow. Their narrowbody fleet is pretty busy, so I guess Etihad are looking to do something similar with the large amount of travel flow between India, Pakistan and the UAE.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11429 posts, RR: 50 Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3704 times:
Quoting COA735 (Reply 21): If so, do they fly short commuter type routes or just long haul routes?
All EK's flights are international - there are no domestic routes in the UAE. Their two shortest flights must be to MCT and DOH. As has already been stated, they'll just about fly any plane to any destination. Cargo represents a significant part of their revenue.
At this point in EK's development, having got this far without them, I can't see much point in them considering narrowbody planes. I think EY is in a different position - in order to grow more quickly, a narrowbody fleet feeding in to AUH could well be a good thing for them.
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25 EKSkycargo370: That is true,cargo for EK is of high priority,they will often delay flights out of DXB to wait for ramp transfer cargo especially perishables,it is t
26 Detroitflyer: are we forgetting the even shorter flight to MCT, which could not be over a 1/2 hour???
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....I've seen their A320LR in KHI a bunch of times...
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