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Maine Hopes To Upgrade 4 Airports To RJs  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3090 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

Courtesy: The Bangor Daily News

Maine Hopes To Upgrade 4 Airports To RJs

1. Presque Isle
2. Augusta
3. Rockland
4. Bar Harbor

http://www.airportbusiness.com/onlin...article.jsp?siteSection=3&id=11497

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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2658 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Do these airports have enough traffic for RJ's??? I can't see any of these 4 cities filling RJ's except maybe BHB during tourist season.


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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

That would be nice indeed. On the other hand, I could just see now DL, downgrading ti's BGR - BOS flights from the previous CRJ to a Beech 1900. This is back to the situation, I remember nearly 20 years ago, using BEX with this plane on this route. I also remember flying regularly on DL's MD88, 722 or once even a 757. So the actual situation is really just the only solution before stopping the service completely.

It's also sad to see, that the only international charters coming trough BGR by now are troop charters for the government. Those glorious days with all the English, Balair, AirEuropa, Finnair etc. are just history, as the nearly hourly frequencies to BOS are.

It's real sad to see things going down that much and I am wondering where they got all those passengers from in earlier days, as the flights were booked quite well, or in other words, where do they hide right now? Hopefully things will change again. I would be real glad for BGR and Maine.

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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Except the thing is, the government is subsidizing those Saab and Beech routes with EAS funds. They can't even support themselves as they are without subsidies.

They've got to be kidding if they think Pinnacle is going to send RJs into routes which can't even fill 19-seat turboprops. They're smoking crack if they think the US government is going to pay for it.



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1651 times:

Those cities should be happy they're getting any service... Especially with subsidies.


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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3099 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1621 times:

Bangor, Presque Isle, and Portland all used to see regular Delta mainline flights. But those days are long gone.


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User currently offlineEyes2thesky From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

I would be pleasantly surprised if this happened. But doubt it will.

Maine is not an entrepreneurial hotbed. It's not a technology hotbed. It has lost several military facilities with sizeable base populations: Loring AFB (near Presque Isle), Presque Isle AFB, Pease AFB (in New Hampshire, but very near Portland), and Dow AFB. Brunswick NAS will close shortly. The only manufacturing I know of is for LL Bean. There is lots of logging. But when's the last time an airline made money flying into an area best known for its logging? Really, there's not much to suggest that Maine is anything but a recreation spot (albeit a year-round one), and outside of Alaska recreation doesn't provide a good foundation for profitable air service.

I really like Maine, personally. I've been to the fishing villages. I've hiked Mt. Katahdin. But I think it's aviation scene is going to stagnate for a while.


User currently offlineRoyalAtlantis From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 4):
Those cities should be happy they're getting any service... Especially with subsidies.

Why would you make a statement like this? a college student from San Diego? FYI - Coastal Maine is home to three of the top 10 liberal arts colleges in the U.S. not to mention BIG MONEY real estate in Bar Harbor, Rockland etc. EVERY flight I've been on out of these airports has always been full.

Does anyone have the tourist figures on Bar Harbor? They are significant....

What subsidies are you referring to btw?


User currently offlineEyes2thesky From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Quoting RoyalAtlantis (Reply 7):
Bar Harbor, Rockland etc. EVERY flight I've been on out of these airports has always been full.

What time of year were your flights? And what size of airplane? I'm guessing 19-seaters. I'd be surprised if those spots could support a 50-seat RJ for more than just the summer months, if at all.


User currently offlineRoyalAtlantis From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

Quoting Eyes2thesky (Reply 6):
I would be pleasantly surprised if this happened. But doubt it will.

Somewhat disagree. Presque Isle & Agusta are challenged - Rockland...perhaps, Bar Harbor - most likely. Portland is booming. What Maine suffers from is a disparity of income and that may be the most significant challenge. There is a growing middle class, but most of the people living in the coastal communities such as Bar Harbor/Mt. Desert Island and Rockland have VERY deep pockets as it's some of the most expensive real estate north of Nantucket. The non-coastal areas are low-income on average in comparison. However, Bangor does draw good loads and the RJ's AA flies out of Bangor are high. The prices are also tantamount to robbery! Regardless - I have flown on the US flight to Rockland and it is usually full. Ditto with Bar Harbor. When you land at Bar Harbor and park next to a couple GV's etc. you quickly get the picture.


User currently offlineEyes2thesky From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Quoting RoyalAtlantis (Reply 7):
Coastal Maine is home to three of the top 10 liberal arts colleges in the U.S. not to mention BIG MONEY real estate

Interesting question, whether a booming real estate market can support commercial air service. Santa Barbara, CA seems like it has some parallels to the towns in Maine you mention: No industry, no tech, a small college or two, but a booming, very wealthy real estate market and a recreational draw. SBA does pretty well for air service. On the other hand, Santa Barbara has great year-round weather. Down-east Maine doesn't. I still wonder whether people coming to their second-homes in Maine for a couple weeks at a time during the nice months can really support regular RJ air service. I've been surprised before, though.


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