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BA (GT) LGW Flights Operated By Excel Airways  
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Noticed that some flights normally operated by GT will be operated by Excel Airways this summer, these include ALC, MLA, FAO, may not have Club class.

Assuming the aircraft are being utilised for BA (GT) GIB-MAD flights.

[Edited 2007-04-16 22:01:17]

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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

I don't think the MAD-GIB flight will cause that much of a hole in the schedules - AFAIK the aircraft is not based at either airport; it will operate LGW-GIB-MAD-GIB-LGW


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User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Aircraft to be 737-800 G-XLAG from XL Airways

Mark



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User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

We had the same thing at FAO last year. The first thing I noticed in the summer timetable was 738 as equpiment, which I assumed was a typo until you get the "operated by Excel Airways for GB Airways" message under the reservation. What I do not agree with is that they haven't withdrawn I, D, C, and J classes for sale even though as Richardw correctly suggests, there is no Club class.


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User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

I am flying LGW-LPA-LGW next month, I hope these aren't affected! The XL aircraft aren't a patch on the more luxuriousley appointed GB Airways' fleet! Not fair!:o(


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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

But don't the XL planes have blue leather seats like BA?

User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 2):
Aircraft to be 737-800 G-XLAG from XL Airways

Will she stay in Excel colours?


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 1):
it will operate LGW-GIB-MAD-GIB-LGW

When was this flight announced? And what is the reason for it?


User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

The 738 shows 10 C class and 168 Y class seats

LON LPA LON ops still with the 320



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Tony


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

The way to spot them is to look at the timetables at ba.com and then instead of GT it will have BA in the operated by column.

User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 8):

Thank God for my sake, but what about passengers who have paid extra for a premium service and end up on a charter service? I don't think I'd be happy if I turned up to Gatwick to find that the flight I paid over twice the price for was subbed by a charter flight with 29" seat pitch!



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Happened on those BA LGW-TPA flights a few years ago, people were not happy.

At the end of the day the terms and conditions allow BA to treat passengers more like self loading freight.


User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Quoting Raffik (Reply 10):
Thank God for my sake, but what about passengers who have paid extra for a premium service and end up on a charter service? I don't think I'd be happy if I turned up to Gatwick to find that the flight I paid over twice the price for was subbed by a charter flight with 29" seat pitch!

Theres a difference to "being subbed by a charter flight" and operated by Excel.

Apparently the 737 will be in BA colours, Excel pilots, GT cabin crew in standard BA uniform, with full GT/BA cabin service. My guess is most people won't even notice. Lxlgy has already said its showing as 10C and 168Y, so as long as they only sell 10C seats it should be fine.

The reason is that A320 G-TTOA had to go back to the leasing company, and the new A321 won't be coming for a couple of months yet.

[Edited 2007-04-17 17:53:16]

User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Yes, I remember! It was in the news and everything. I found it hard to blame the pax though. And BA didn't handle the situation well- why they chose that (Spanish?) airline is a wonder because as I remember it was an old 747-200 or similar. Some people had paid £4000 for a Business class seat and ended up with a cruddy seat on an old aircraft.

But well within BA's t&cs!



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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 12):
Apparently the 737 will be in BA colours, Excel pilots, GT cabin crew in standard BA uniform, with full GT/BA cabin service. My guess is most people won't even notice. Lxlgy has already said its showing as 10C and 168Y, so as long as they only sell 10C seats it should be fine.

That does sound like a shocking number of seats to fit on a 737, considering BA's 737-436 aircraft have a maximum of 147 seats in an all Y config.


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

If the a/c is in GT colours (BA), it will be nice to see a 73NG in BA colours, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it would be the first ever 73NG in BA colours Big grin

User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 14):
That does sound like a shocking number of seats to fit on a 737, considering BA's 737-436 aircraft have a maximum of 147 seats in an all Y config.

Not sure how many people Excel usually fit in the -800s? Preseumably though GB Airways being the customer had a say in how the aircraft is configured.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 12):
Lxlgy has already said its showing as 10C and 168Y, so as long as they only sell 10C seats it should be fine.

So when it is back with Excel, they will sell some seats as Premium seats, could be good for flights to TCI.


User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

Just heard from XL operations that the aircraft leased to GB Airways will be G-OXLA when it is leased from Miami Air for summer.
Aircraft livery not known as yet, but may operate in Miami Air hybird like last summer, but without the XL.com tail, not sure about BA titles etc.


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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 18):
Aircraft livery not known as yet, but may operate in Miami Air hybird like last summer, but without the XL.com tail, not sure about BA titles etc

I don't see the point in painting a leased aircraft for a couple of months. Decals will do I'd say.



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 14):

Hardly fair comparing the capacity of a 400 series 737, with the seats on an 800 series....

A max of 178 pax on the aircraft leased from Excel, suggests a fairly similar set up to that on GB's own A320s - certainly not normal UK charter configuration.



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User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

Quoting Richardw (Reply 17):
So when it is back with Excel, they will sell some seats as Premium seats, could be good for flights to TCI

Doubt it very much. Changing seats is a very easy job. Out with the premium and back in with more economy.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

Also noticed TFN has been dropped for winter 07/08 by GT, wonder where they will go instead, NCL-TFS perhaps.

User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

Could someone please tell me when the LGW-GIB-MAD-GIB-LGW was announced and what is the reason for it?

User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting Richardw (Reply 11):
At the end of the day the terms and conditions allow BA to treat passengers more like self loading freight.



Quoting Raffik (Reply 13):
But well within BA's t&cs!



Quoting Raffik (Reply 10):
what about passengers who have paid extra for a premium service and end up on a charter service?

Why single out BA? It is the same for every other airline. All airlines reserve the right to substitute aircraft, airline, level of services etc under their terms of carriage and conditions. If you paid for First/Club, and the substituted aircraft/airline could not offer these services, they will refund the premium that you paid in your fare. Some passengers would prefer that their flight is operated, albeit by a different airline and aircraft, rather than no flight at all.

I had a friend in US who after a bad experience refused point-blank to fly with CO again. She booked a VS flight direct with Virgin, got issued with a VS ticket that gave a VS flight number and she was as happy as the moon. She arrived at the airport only to find that her "Virgin" flight was being, and always had been operated by CO. She was livid and almost refused to fly. OK, it was a code share but try explaining that to someone with very little knowledge about airlines, code shares etc.



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25 Post contains links Richardw : GT has historic ties with Gibralter, more at www.gbairways.com , and has done LGW-GIB for a long time, GT's holding company, The Bland Group, also ow
26 VV701 : It was announced on 20 March and is in co-operation with IB who will also fly the MAD-GIB-MAD sectors. The flights start at LGW as GT does not have a
27 GatoVolador : GB Airways (a franchisee of BA) have been operating LGW-GIB-LGW traditionally. The new thing is the GIB-MAD-GIB. The whole story began when IB announ
28 8herveg : Thankyou for all your great informative answers!
29 Post contains images Gkirk : Probably get better service with Excel than BA anyway
30 Post contains images A340600 : Read the thread, it's GB, different airline, fool
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