QatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1599 posts, RR: 7 Posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3598 times:
The United Arab Emirates has initialed Air Services Agreement (ASA) and Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with United Mexican States in Mexico City on 11th April 2007.
The agreement includes designations of four UAE national airlines; Emirates, Etihad, Air Arabia, and RAK Airways. It also includes unlimited capacities, numbers of frequencies and routes, as well as any types of aircraft whether owned or leased that are operated by designated airlines of both countries for passenger and cargo services. The agreement also includes, in addition to the third and fourth freedoms, the practice of the fifth freedom traffic rights on specific intermediate points in Europe.
Does this start the begining of EK's intent to travel to Mexico. I predict a launch date of 2008 for any Mexican flights--possibly via a destination in Europe.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3370 times:
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I hope to see more EK services to Latin America.
MEX is a strong candidate because of the huge size of the city itself as well as the business. I think it could become real even before GIG or EZE, the other two candidates in Latin America for EK future services.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
Luis777 From Mexico, joined Aug 2004, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3334 times:
Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 7): Oops ! I didn't know....perdoname anyway as Thalia says "Amor a la Mexicana"
It's OK man, no problem, it's only that the "X" even knowing that doesn't sound like a "J", represents some kind of patriotic, historic, identification, whatever thing, and we are proud of our "X" that sounds like a "J".
Back to topic, another option: DXB-ARN-MEX would be awesome.
Cedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2686 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3310 times:
Quoting AeroMexico777 (Reply 10): I continue to vote DXB - FCO - MEX or DXB - MXP - MEX... What do you think?
I think it's the perfect combination but as always me gusta llevar la contra
But I have the feeling that it could be DXB-CAS-MEX or DXB-LIS-MEX
And I think that EK sometime in the future will fly around the world a la PAN AM something like DXB-KUL-SYD-AKL-SCL-EZE-GRU-CAS-DXB
What about OSL ? I live in Norway and we have almost ZERO intercontinental flights out of Gardermoen Airport.So please EK consider DXB-OSL-MEX so I can spend my next summer vacations in Mazatlan/Cancun/Puerto vallarta .........
By the way I have never been to Mexico
Anthsaun From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 543 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3282 times:
Any large destination in Europe not served yet would be great:
But, MAD, CDG, FRA, AMS or LHR will not be accepted, take these "specific intermediate points" for sure.
Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter): The agreement also includes, in addition to the third and fourth freedoms, the practice of the fifth freedom traffic rights on specific intermediate points in Europe.
Fly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3258 times:
Quoting Luis777 (Reply 6): MeXico is with "X", it is offensive for some of us if you write MeXico with "J"
Some really old books written around the "Porfirian" era and earlier show Mexico spelled with a J, along with other words which now normally have an x. I've also seen some old school books spell xitomate instead of jitomate or some girls named Jimena instead of Ximena or vice versa. Go figure....
I'd love to see EK or some other airline from the area fly to MEX. MEX has a pretty decent Lebanese/Arab/Mid-Eastern population, but I dunno if there'd be a market for a flight like say, MEX-DXB nonstop.
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2395 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3188 times:
Quoting AeroMexico777 (Reply 10): Mexico is spelled with an X but it actually sounds as a J, so you are not as misspelled as you think...
And, yes, most mexicans feel offended if you spell Mexico with a J...
I continue to vote DXB - FCO - MEX or DXB - MXP - MEX... What do you think?
I don't feel offended... the worst part is that I have learned to live with it, since my passport says: Place of Birth: Mejico
I have to thank an old lady for misspelling the word. I tried to fix it before she issued my passport, but we started arguing... she said that I should not try to correct an old lady (never ever) and if I wanted a passport, I better learn to live with it
Back to the topic, if EK can start a MEX-DXB via Europe with full 5th freedom rights it would be a huge success... there is a lack of flights between Mexico and Europe (at least since 2001 when the US suspended the TWOV and ITI). Therefore, airlines like AM, LH, AF, BA, KL, IB are making a lot of money in Mexico from people who don't want to go through the process of getting a US visa...
I dunno about MEX, but the Spanish DGAC refused granted TG the 5th freedom rights for flying BKK-MAD-EZE/SCL. A person from the TG staff in Madrid told me that one year ago. He told me also TG did prefer fly MAD-EZE/SCL over fly AKL-SCL/EZE.
IF Emirates wants fly MEX via Europe, the EU or the appropriate authorities have the right to give the 5th freedom rights.
Sorry for this off topic, but in Spanish either of them are correct, with "X" or "J". In English is always written with "X" but in Spanish (at least in Castilian-Spanish from Spain) I prefer write it with a "J" ...if it is not a cause for argueing
By the way, I don't understand why the offence. In the Spanish spoken 400 years ago, "X" was the letter used to pronounce the current Spanish "J".
Just is like "Texas" or "Tejas", "Oaxaca" or "Oajaca".
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3046 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 19): Isn't EK trying to build a mini hub at Hamburg? My money is thru Germany if it happens. With MEX's altitude, non-stop would be out of the question.
I don't think EK is building some kind of hub operation at HAM. HAM is just their stopover point for their third DXB-JFK frequency, though EK has 5th Freedom Rights on both DXB-HAM-DXB and HAM-JFK-HAM.
That being said, most aircraft have no real altitude problems when flying MEX-Europe. The problem is more with Westbounds, which is one of the reasons why AM is routing MEX-NRT through TIJ. In terms of still air distance, MEX-FRA is currently one of the longest nonstops to Europe out of MEX. MEX-MXP is just 125 nm (still air distance) longer than MEX-FRA, I don't see any serious problem for a nonstop MEX-MXP.
Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3020 times:
I personally think it should be non stop using an A345, which will be freed up when the 380's take over the 345's to Australia next year. If it was to go through Europe I would pick DUB personally, because I think EK would like to set up an alliance with EI. If not DUB probably BCN, as MAD already has enough traffic.
DUB may have a problem in terms of runway length. RW10/28 may not be long enough for an A345 or 777 to take off if they were to use DUB as a stopover point for flights to MEX. SNN would make more sense in that regard.
25 Captaink: Why? That would be cool to have a middle eastern connection More spotting variety.
26 Juventus: I'm talking about MEX-DXB non-stop. I know Mexico-Europe is not a problem, but MEX-DXB with MEX's altitude could be a problem.
27 SKY1: I know that, my friend Just it was an example. EK said a few weeks ago BCN will be served only by cargo purposes. And, anyway I got doubts about if t
28 LTU932: Given the still air distance of 7746 nm, and the over 7700 ft altitude in MEX, I don't think it will ever be nonstop. It's just too long, and MEX is t
29 Reality: It probably has something to do with the repressive Spanish colonial power spelling it with a J before the revolution, and the Mexicans preferring an
30 Ghost77: A few lines of history... why Mexico? Because of the Mexica's!!!! There you goooo....!!! Very interesting MOU from EK... the only airline with +40 A3
31 Ayubogg: This is exciting really! I would love to see EK's or EY's heavies taxiing MEX's tarmac. I hope any spotters get good pics as soon as this takes place.
32 Anthsaun: Well done, Ghost77, got it before me. Mexico is not a Spanish nor an English word, it is a Mexica word. And it is spelled with X. It doesn't matter h
33 IB6400: I feel EK would love to fly DUB-JFK-MEX... I don't even want to imagine that. I am sorry to be out of topic... but I don't feel offended at all if I s
34 Abrelosojos: = And it is important to distinguish that Mexican Spanish has more X words pronounced as "X" than elsewhere. Cheers, A.
35 Orbis: And therefore it is pronounced "Mechica or more accurate Meshica"
36 Captaink: I am sorry if I offended anyone, but I honestly didn't know the histroy behind the name México. I was browsing thorugh some little book stores in Zo
37 TYCOON: Interesting news! Another example of oil rich regions establishing direct flights! I would think CCS would be more logical for a UAE carrier than eith
38 SQ773: IMO, I think that the most logical option would be MAD. EK wants to start flying to MAD no later than 2 years. In addition, the pax volume and the car
39 UAEflyer: Signing agreement doesn't necessarily means that EK will fly to Mexico, EK is not the Civil Aviation Authority. The CAA is working with many countries
40 Rojo: AM and IB will never let EK take part of their very lucrative market. I can see AM making some lobbying and the DGAC not granting 5th freedom rights.
41 CHRISBA777ER: Could the 777LR do it non-stop does anyone know? Rgds, CM
42 USADreamliner: In Mexico they use the X only, because they say that the Spanish changed to a J. In Mexico they still have some issues and resentment towards the Spa
43 Anthsaun: If you are in Mexico, China is westbound, not eastbound. Travelling west it is only one third of the globe, while going east, it takes two thirds. Wa
44 Ghost77: According to my high school histor teacher, that's right Mexica should be pronounced as Meshica and correctly Mexico should be Meshico not MEX-I-CO.
45 EddieDude: Anybody has taken the time to take a look at the agreement to see which are these specific intermediate stops. I would assume that FRA, LHR, MAD and
46 QatarA340: But, EK usually takes full advantages of civil aviation agreements between the UAE and other countries and I wouldnt be surprised if EK started a MEX
47 BlueElephant: I really would have to go with BCN.....if not, than MAD. My only reason for this thought process, is the additional passenger traffic picked up, espe
48 Rojo: We are missing the Visa issue here. EK or EY will never start a non-stop service to Mexico (if it was possible with a A350 or 777LR) with the current
49 EddieDude: Yeah, I was thinking about this too, but given that IB has given up on BCN as a long-haul city, AM is more than keen on getting more planes to launch
50 UAEflyer: 2008 is very early, at least they need a full year study of the Mexican aviation market and travellers, they will study it for the next 18 months and
51 Rojo: They have been studying the Mexican market for quite some time and they are making some lobbying with the government of the UAE so they can reach a d