Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
EK To Mexico?  
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

Quote:

The United Arab Emirates has initialed Air Services Agreement (ASA) and Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with United Mexican States in Mexico City on 11th April 2007.

The agreement includes designations of four UAE national airlines; Emirates, Etihad, Air Arabia, and RAK Airways. It also includes unlimited capacities, numbers of frequencies and routes, as well as any types of aircraft whether owned or leased that are operated by designated airlines of both countries for passenger and cargo services. The agreement also includes, in addition to the third and fourth freedoms, the practice of the fifth freedom traffic rights on specific intermediate points in Europe.


Does this start the begining of EK's intent to travel to Mexico. I predict a launch date of 2008 for any Mexican flights--possibly via a destination in Europe.


لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
51 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

I would love to see EK fly to MEX (I'd also like to see a POS-MEX flight!!). But surely the route could support direct, non-stop services??

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4847 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

it basically looks like an open skies deal been signed between UAE and Mexico with 5th freedom rights via Europe.

User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

An DXB-MAD-MEX should be just perfect !

Arriba Mejico !
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineAeroMexico777 From Mexico, joined Oct 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

HI...

Just one thing... Mexico goes with an X not an J... Big grin

In the theme of EK or EY to MEX... well, hope it comes sooner... Maybe via MXP or FCO ´cause we dont have any flight to Italy...

Regards, AeroMexico777



"When the hope of dying becomes the only reason to live..." Die Laughing (Gothic), Safe little world.
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

Quoting AeroMexico777 (Reply 4):
Just one thing... Mexico goes with an X not an J...

Estás seguro?

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineLuis777 From Mexico, joined Aug 2004, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 3):
An DXB-MAD-MEX should be just perfect !

Arriba Mejico !
Alex!!!

Sure, maybe in dreams, if they want to fly DXB-BRU-MEX, or DBX-VIE-MEX I think would be great, but DXB-MAD-MEX never and ever.

MeXico is with "X", it is offensive for some of us if you write MeXico with "J"

Regards

LG


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

Quoting Luis777 (Reply 6):
MeXico is with "X", it is offensive for some of us if you write MeXico with "J"

Oops ! I didn't know....perdoname anyway as Thalia says "Amor a la Mexicana"  Wink

Quoting Luis777 (Reply 6):
Sure, maybe in dreams, if they want to fly DXB-BRU-MEX, or DBX-VIE-MEX I think would be great, but DXB-MAD-MEX never and ever.

Well in that case LIS would be another option !

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4154 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

I hope to see more EK services to Latin America.

MEX is a strong candidate because of the huge size of the city itself as well as the business. I think it could become real even before GIG or EZE, the other two candidates in Latin America for EK future services.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
I hope to see more EK services to Latin America.

From my point of view MEX/CCS/GRU/GIG/EZE and SCL should be added soon to EK route-map.


Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineAeroMexico777 From Mexico, joined Oct 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

HI Cedars747

Mexico is spelled with an X but it actually sounds as a J, so you are not as misspelled as you think...

And, yes, most mexicans feel offended if you spell Mexico with a J...

I continue to vote DXB - FCO - MEX or DXB - MXP - MEX... What do you think?

Regards, AeroMexico777



"When the hope of dying becomes the only reason to live..." Die Laughing (Gothic), Safe little world.
User currently offlineLuis777 From Mexico, joined Aug 2004, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 7):
Oops ! I didn't know....perdoname anyway as Thalia says "Amor a la Mexicana"

It's OK man, no problem, it's only that the "X" even knowing that doesn't sound like a "J", represents some kind of patriotic, historic, identification, whatever thing, and we are proud of our "X" that sounds like a "J".

Viva MeXico!!

Back to topic, another option: DXB-ARN-MEX would be awesome.

Regards

LG


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Quoting AeroMexico777 (Reply 10):
I continue to vote DXB - FCO - MEX or DXB - MXP - MEX... What do you think?

I think it's the perfect combination but as always me gusta llevar la contra Big grin
But I have the feeling that it could be DXB-CAS-MEX or DXB-LIS-MEX
And I think that EK sometime in the future will fly around the world a la PAN AM something like DXB-KUL-SYD-AKL-SCL-EZE-GRU-CAS-DXB


Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Quoting Luis777 (Reply 11):
DXB-ARN-MEX would be awesome.

What about OSL ? I live in Norway and we have almost ZERO intercontinental flights out of Gardermoen Airport.So please EK consider DXB-OSL-MEX so I can spend my next summer vacations in Mazatlan/Cancun/Puerto vallarta .........  pray 
By the way I have never been to Mexico  crazy 

Grande MeXicana ! CON X
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineAnthsaun From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Any large destination in Europe not served yet would be great:

MXP
FCO
BRU
VIE
LIS
MUN
ZHR
BCN
CPH


But, MAD, CDG, FRA, AMS or LHR will not be accepted, take these "specific intermediate points" for sure.

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
The agreement also includes, in addition to the third and fourth freedoms, the practice of the fifth freedom traffic rights on specific intermediate points in Europe.



Over 80 years in business say a lot about success
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Quoting Luis777 (Reply 6):
MeXico is with "X", it is offensive for some of us if you write MeXico with "J"

Some really old books written around the "Porfirian" era and earlier show Mexico spelled with a J, along with other words which now normally have an x. I've also seen some old school books spell xitomate instead of jitomate or some girls named Jimena instead of Ximena or vice versa. Go figure....  scratchchin 

Anyways...

I'd love to see EK or some other airline from the area fly to MEX. MEX has a pretty decent Lebanese/Arab/Mid-Eastern population, but I dunno if there'd be a market for a flight like say, MEX-DXB nonstop.


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2481 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Quoting AeroMexico777 (Reply 10):
Mexico is spelled with an X but it actually sounds as a J, so you are not as misspelled as you think...

And, yes, most mexicans feel offended if you spell Mexico with a J...

I continue to vote DXB - FCO - MEX or DXB - MXP - MEX... What do you think?

I don't feel offended... the worst part is that I have learned to live with it, since my passport says: Place of Birth: Mejico

I have to thank an old lady for misspelling the word. I tried to fix it before she issued my passport, but we started arguing... she said that I should not try to correct an old lady (never ever) and if I wanted a passport, I better learn to live with it  Confused

Back to the topic, if EK can start a MEX-DXB via Europe with full 5th freedom rights it would be a huge success... there is a lack of flights between Mexico and Europe (at least since 2001 when the US suspended the TWOV and ITI). Therefore, airlines like AM, LH, AF, BA, KL, IB are making a lot of money in Mexico from people who don't want to go through the process of getting a US visa...


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Maybe a DXB-CPH-MEX based on twice-weekly basis could work. So far I know there is not a non-stop flight from Scandanavia to Mexico.

I would like see EK/QR/EY serving MEX. And also see more European tourists (specially from Northern Europe) in this country that amazing like Mexico is.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 2):
5th freedom rights

I dunno about MEX, but the Spanish DGAC refused granted TG the 5th freedom rights for flying BKK-MAD-EZE/SCL. A person from the TG staff in Madrid told me that one year ago. He told me also TG did prefer fly MAD-EZE/SCL over fly AKL-SCL/EZE.

IF Emirates wants fly MEX via Europe, the EU or the appropriate authorities have the right to give the 5th freedom rights.

Quoting AeroMexico777 (Reply 10):
most mexicans feel offended if you spell Mexico with a J...

Sorry for this off topic, but in Spanish either of them are correct, with "X" or "J". In English is always written with "X" but in Spanish (at least in Castilian-Spanish from Spain) I prefer write it with a "J" ...if it is not a cause for argueing  Wink

By the way, I don't understand why the offence. In the Spanish spoken 400 years ago, "X" was the letter used to pronounce the current Spanish "J".

Just is like "Texas" or "Tejas", "Oaxaca" or "Oajaca".



Time flies! Enjoy life!
User currently offlineOlli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 17):
By the way, I don't understand why the offence. In the Spanish spoken 400 years ago, "X" was the letter used to pronounce the current Spanish "J".

I entirely agree with you. Speaking for myself, I am really way to far from being offended.

As Alitalia is not starting a flight to MEX anytime soon, just like AM, the possibility of having EK doing a DXB-MXP-MEX would be just fantastic.

I really hope EK flight to Mexico-Mejico does materialize.

Best Regards,

[Edited 2007-04-17 02:58:00]

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Isn't EK trying to build a mini hub at Hamburg? My money is thru Germany if it happens. With MEX's altitude, non-stop would be out of the question.

User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting Olli (Reply 18):
I am really way to far from being offended

It's great know it  Smile

Quoting Juventus (Reply 19):
With MEX's altitude, non-stop would be out of the question.

Mexico-Hamburg non stop is not a problem for an A332 or A345. With a A333, on the other hand, MTOW could be limited



Time flies! Enjoy life!
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 19):
Isn't EK trying to build a mini hub at Hamburg? My money is thru Germany if it happens. With MEX's altitude, non-stop would be out of the question.

I don't think EK is building some kind of hub operation at HAM. HAM is just their stopover point for their third DXB-JFK frequency, though EK has 5th Freedom Rights on both DXB-HAM-DXB and HAM-JFK-HAM.

That being said, most aircraft have no real altitude problems when flying MEX-Europe. The problem is more with Westbounds, which is one of the reasons why AM is routing MEX-NRT through TIJ. In terms of still air distance, MEX-FRA is currently one of the longest nonstops to Europe out of MEX. MEX-MXP is just 125 nm (still air distance) longer than MEX-FRA, I don't see any serious problem for a nonstop MEX-MXP.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 20):
With a A333, on the other hand, MTOW could be limited

EK doesn't have the A333, so those can easily be ruled out.  Wink


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

I personally think it should be non stop using an A345, which will be freed up when the 380's take over the 345's to Australia next year. If it was to go through Europe I would pick DUB personally, because I think EK would like to set up an alliance with EI. If not DUB probably BCN, as MAD already has enough traffic.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 23):
If it was to go through Europe I would pick DUB personally

DUB may have a problem in terms of runway length. RW10/28 may not be long enough for an A345 or 777 to take off if they were to use DUB as a stopover point for flights to MEX. SNN would make more sense in that regard.


25 Post contains images Captaink : Why? That would be cool to have a middle eastern connection More spotting variety.
26 Juventus : I'm talking about MEX-DXB non-stop. I know Mexico-Europe is not a problem, but MEX-DXB with MEX's altitude could be a problem.
27 Post contains images SKY1 : I know that, my friend Just it was an example. EK said a few weeks ago BCN will be served only by cargo purposes. And, anyway I got doubts about if t
28 LTU932 : Given the still air distance of 7746 nm, and the over 7700 ft altitude in MEX, I don't think it will ever be nonstop. It's just too long, and MEX is t
29 Reality : It probably has something to do with the repressive Spanish colonial power spelling it with a J before the revolution, and the Mexicans preferring an
30 Ghost77 : A few lines of history... why Mexico? Because of the Mexica's!!!! There you goooo....!!! Very interesting MOU from EK... the only airline with +40 A3
31 Ayubogg : This is exciting really! I would love to see EK's or EY's heavies taxiing MEX's tarmac. I hope any spotters get good pics as soon as this takes place.
32 Anthsaun : Well done, Ghost77, got it before me. Mexico is not a Spanish nor an English word, it is a Mexica word. And it is spelled with X. It doesn't matter h
33 IB6400 : I feel EK would love to fly DUB-JFK-MEX... I don't even want to imagine that. I am sorry to be out of topic... but I don't feel offended at all if I s
34 Abrelosojos : = And it is important to distinguish that Mexican Spanish has more X words pronounced as "X" than elsewhere. Cheers, A.
35 Orbis : And therefore it is pronounced "Mechica or more accurate Meshica"
36 Post contains images Captaink : I am sorry if I offended anyone, but I honestly didn't know the histroy behind the name México. I was browsing thorugh some little book stores in Zo
37 TYCOON : Interesting news! Another example of oil rich regions establishing direct flights! I would think CCS would be more logical for a UAE carrier than eith
38 SQ773 : IMO, I think that the most logical option would be MAD. EK wants to start flying to MAD no later than 2 years. In addition, the pax volume and the car
39 UAEflyer : Signing agreement doesn't necessarily means that EK will fly to Mexico, EK is not the Civil Aviation Authority. The CAA is working with many countries
40 Rojo : AM and IB will never let EK take part of their very lucrative market. I can see AM making some lobbying and the DGAC not granting 5th freedom rights.
41 CHRISBA777ER : Could the 777LR do it non-stop does anyone know? Rgds, CM
42 USADreamliner : In Mexico they use the X only, because they say that the Spanish changed to a J. In Mexico they still have some issues and resentment towards the Spa
43 Anthsaun : If you are in Mexico, China is westbound, not eastbound. Travelling west it is only one third of the globe, while going east, it takes two thirds. Wa
44 Ghost77 : According to my high school histor teacher, that's right Mexica should be pronounced as Meshica and correctly Mexico should be Meshico not MEX-I-CO.
45 EddieDude : Anybody has taken the time to take a look at the agreement to see which are these specific intermediate stops. I would assume that FRA, LHR, MAD and
46 QatarA340 : But, EK usually takes full advantages of civil aviation agreements between the UAE and other countries and I wouldnt be surprised if EK started a MEX
47 BlueElephant : I really would have to go with BCN.....if not, than MAD. My only reason for this thought process, is the additional passenger traffic picked up, espe
48 Rojo : We are missing the Visa issue here. EK or EY will never start a non-stop service to Mexico (if it was possible with a A350 or 777LR) with the current
49 EddieDude : Yeah, I was thinking about this too, but given that IB has given up on BCN as a long-haul city, AM is more than keen on getting more planes to launch
50 UAEflyer : 2008 is very early, at least they need a full year study of the Mexican aviation market and travellers, they will study it for the next 18 months and
51 Rojo : They have been studying the Mexican market for quite some time and they are making some lobbying with the government of the UAE so they can reach a d
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
EK To USA Update 2007 posted Thu Mar 1 2007 06:55:30 by JDFlyVC10
EK To Manchester posted Thu Feb 8 2007 17:04:35 by EK-A380
EK To Northern Pakistan posted Thu Feb 8 2007 17:01:16 by EK-A380
EK To BCN Confirmed posted Thu Dec 28 2006 16:31:38 by FlyEmirates
EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007 posted Wed Dec 27 2006 00:10:57 by JDFlyVC10
Rumour EK To Start GRU Via BCN + ADL Via MEL/PER posted Thu Dec 21 2006 11:08:01 by FlyEmirates
Official: EK To Venice posted Tue Dec 19 2006 22:00:50 by Nycfly75
Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007? posted Mon Nov 27 2006 03:50:40 by Triley1057
Alaska Increases Capacity To Mexico By 22% posted Sun Oct 29 2006 14:57:32 by Juventus
AC Adds 25 Weekly Legs To Mexico For High Season posted Thu Oct 5 2006 03:40:52 by Juventus