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First 787 Nose Section "rolls Out" In Wichita  
User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3499 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 29502 times:

Just posted on the Seattle Times website:



Employees of Spirit Aerosystems get a look at the forst Boeing Dreamliner shell during a rolling-out ceremony today in Wichita, Kan. The composite nose section for the new aircraft will be assembled in Wichita and shipped to the Seattle area where it will be mated to other assemblies.

Hopefully there will be more on this posted soon.


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 29459 times:

Wow, that looks unusually huge compared to those people. Looks more like the size of the A380.  Smile

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 29404 times:
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Good to see the girl coming together. Let's get her assembled, and delivered ontime Boeing.


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User currently offlineIlikeflight From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 29363 times:

I cant take the wait I want to see one flying NOW!!!!!


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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2482 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 29341 times:

I thought there was a nose section already put together and even painted. I remember seeing photos here on a.net because people were commenting about the size of the windows and the door openings etc. Was that just a demo and this one the real thing for aircraft #1?

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3499 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 29270 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 4):
Was that just a demo and this one the real thing for aircraft #1?

The impression I get from the news brief is that this is the first section that will fly. I do remember the sections you're talking about though...



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 29234 times:

Finally a picture of Section 41 of Line Number 1. Just 3 more months to go until rollout. Big grin

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 29151 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 4):
I thought there was a nose section already put together and even painted.

The nose section was assembled and shown to the public several weeks ago. If I understand this news correctly, this milestone represents the fact that the nose section has been fitted with the necessary wiring, landing gear, and other systems to represent the "completed" nose that will now go to PAE for mating.


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3393 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 28897 times:

Wow! She has a huge nose cone like a 747 and she look like she will have a round wind shield like a 747, L1011,CRJ and E170 has. I like this jet! Big grin

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 28838 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 8):
Wow! She has a huge nose cone like a 747 and she look like she will have a round wind shield like a 747, L1011,CRJ and E170 has. I like this jet!

Don't be fooled by the wide angle lens.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 28667 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
has been fitted with the necessary wiring, landing gear, and other systems to represent the "completed" nose that will now go to PAE for mating.

No landing gear on that one. (see photo...it is still in a rig). Maybe they did the photo for the completed composite section and now they put in the other stuff.

I was under the impression that wiring and such happened at PAE. Wouldn't it be easier to send the mated sections to PAE and then put in the landing gear and wiring? How do you wire an incomplete tube...splice/electricians tape or connectors?



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 28515 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 10):
I was under the impression that wiring and such happened at PAE.

IIRC, the wiring for the initial 787 will take place at PAE. But once production levels ramp-up, wiring will shift to the subcontractors. The goal is for fuselage segments to arrive "pre-stuffed" so that final assembly will consist of "snapping" the parts together.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 10):
Wouldn't it be easier to send the mated sections to PAE and then put in the landing gear and wiring? How do you wire an incomplete tube...splice/electricians tape or connectors?

I would guess that wiring harnesses will be bundled together to form junctions that can simplify the mating process.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 28433 times:

Awesome. I love this plane.


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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 28363 times:

Awesome the 787 rocks Big grin


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 27772 times:



The nose gear is in too:



http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...first-nose-section-for-boeing.html


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3370 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 27679 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 4):
I thought there was a nose section already put together and even painted. I remember seeing photos here on a.net because people were commenting about the size of the windows and the door openings etc. Was that just a demo and this one the real thing for aircraft #1?

I beleive that was one of the demonstration sections that was built to test the process - there were pics of a few painted test barells around a while back. This is first finished production front section.


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 27635 times:

wow, that's the cleanest gear bay I've ever seen! (the interior sides do look sorta plastic!) Not much in there other than the actual wheel assembly. Is this comparable to other aircraft?

User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 27378 times:

That's just awesome! Finally, the first pics of real 787 assembly!  spin 


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User currently offlineBadge From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27318 times:

Id like to puchase that for my home but some how I think I would come up short in the penny department.

User currently offlineAirTran717 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27137 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
Wow, that looks unusually huge compared to those people. Looks more like the size of the A380.

Looks like some kind of wide angle lens used for the shot... giving way to what film makers call forced perspective. Just kind of an assumption from my point of view. It's being held up by some kind of hoist and there are tons of folks standing nearly underneath it. Not to mention the pic is shot from ground level.

[Edited 2007-04-17 15:40:59]

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27041 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 4):
thought there was a nose section already put together and even painted. I remember seeing photos here on a.net because people were commenting about the size of the windows and the door openings etc. Was that just a demo and this one the real thing for aircraft #1?

I saw that one too, about 8 months ago. I believe that was a 'test section' like Scouseflyer pointed out. It looked real neat with paint on it.



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User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25168 times:

WOW! looks amazing! i cant wait until rollout!!!  biggrin 


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User currently offlineFirennice From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24949 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 4):
I thought there was a nose section already put together and even painted. I remember seeing photos here on a.net because people were commenting about the size of the windows and the door openings etc. Was that just a demo and this one the real thing for aircraft #1?

Just show. Some were used to publicity, some for destructive testing. Some to show manufacturing ability. Some were actually scrapped parts just painted up.


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24702 times:

Looks like a lot of rivets, if that's what they are. Screws, perhaps? Seems like a lot.

Also interesting - looks like someone was busy with a black Sharpie. What's that about? (many of the rivet/screws/whatever seem to be outlined in black marker).


User currently offlineIflyKPDX From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24253 times:

Awesome Big grin If only there were a back end view though...


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25 BoeingBus : Those rivets are supporting the internal structures and possible reinforcements. Quality Control
26 YYZYYT : Beat me to it. In fact on the the top photo of post 14, it looks like there are lines of rivets attaching traditional plates. This is obviously not t
27 SLCPilot : Odd things, 1 - based on the rivets, the fuse looks like conventional aluminum construction. I'm not saying that it is (because it's not), but it look
28 Khobar : I understand. I recall Boeing saying the design would reduce the number of rivets, not eliminate them altogether - I just was expecting a production
29 Post contains images Tugger : Nice and amazingly real looking for a ghost plane. I wonder when Boeing is going to fess up and admit it's all a hoax. Might be never, the US governme
30 AlecxiA319 : look how clean...i thought that they were mistaken and then it was another aircraft... because the windows and doors were small...but then again? Alec
31 Post contains images TeamAmerica : Agreed. Boeing is going to extraordinary lengths with this charade.
32 Tugger : Tech question: What is the windshield (windscreen? window?) going to be made out of? How thick is it and how many layers? Just curious. Tug
33 Post contains images Lehpron : Awe that's a great view. Without the labeling and slight windshield, a regular guy could confuse this with a rocket. The other pictures are okay, thou
34 Post contains images HB88 : Rivets. Probably securing the fuse skin to the interior nose-gear well structure. The black markups are most likely dud fasteners which need testing/
35 Post contains images BoogyJay : I like the cockpit windows, it'll look cool I'm sure. They're non-opening windows, aren't they? Indeed ! Rivets everywhere... These are all the discre
36 Post contains images AirbusA346 : How come the landing gear are already installed? Tom.
37 Post contains images TeamAmerica : Here's a photo showing the full length of the 787 section 41. There had been debate as to whether this was a single barrel or a join of two sections.
38 Rheinbote : The forward lower lobe contains the nose wheel well which is a large metal assembly including aluminum (partial) frames riveted to the skin from the
39 Tugger : What is it, about 40-42 feet long (12-13 meters for our metric cousins)? Tug
40 Rheinbote : What about the red irregular bands? I guess these are the demarcation lines between the OML plates attached to the barrel while it cures in the autocl
41 Post contains links Rheinbote : http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/a...y/Boeing_787_Nose_Secti_Wall-2.JPG Two observations: 1. For those who didn't believe the 787 fuselage has fram
42 JeffB : Maybe that is where the lavs/galley areas will be? Also, did the windows get smaller from concept to execution? Or is it a matter of scale? That was
43 Post contains links Md94 : Here is a story from the Wichita KSN News: http://www.ksn.com/news/local/7051877.html Boeing unveils Dreamliner production plans WICHITA, Kansas, Apri
44 Remcor : Remember, that's where the nose landing gear is. When the plane is on the ground that nose gear has to carry a lot of weight. And that landing hear h
45 Ikramerica : Well, expectations are a funny thing. If they were not based on reality, one is always going to be disappointed. No it doesn't. There are far, far, f
46 Khobar : Ouch - that is quite an image. Expectations are indeed funny things. I had assumed the fasteners were on the inside, that everything would attach to
47 Tugger : Remember it wasn't that the rivets on the outside were a bad thing, it was the overlapping material that is required and the multi thousands of rivets
48 Lemurs : It will be impossible to tell without seeing a picture at a relatively normal perspective with an object of reference size. Wide angle shots plus gre
49 AAgent : Those would appear to be the larger windows that Boeing promised, the ones that so many of us have desperately hoped for. I eagerly await the day tha
50 474218 : The windows in the photos do not appear to have the window frames installed, so their final size will be even smaller.
51 Post contains images WingedMigrator : This is section 43, just aft of section 41. The black area is where the wing root fairing will go. There are a few things to observe in the photo: 1)
52 Ikramerica : I think the window thing is deceiving because they are larger, and they are our long understood frame of reference, so we can't mentally resize them.
53 Tugger : Odd point, I see that there are 9 windows in this section 41, quite a few images I see on A.net show 10, 11 and sometime more windows in Section 41. I
54 Post contains images EI321 : It surprised that the windows on the production version appear to be smaller than the ones we were shown on the mock up photos.
55 Tugger : Well the shape is certainly different than the interior concept but then shapes change from concept to production (ergo the tail and nose). The real
56 EI321 : Its still very dissapointing that they did this. The shark look dissapeared early, but they still show the large windows in all of the marketing mate
57 Tugger : Actually EI321, if you look at the picture of the section 43 barrel in post, the windows look very close to the interior marketing shape. Much more so
58 Post contains images Keesje : I´m not sure about the big windows, are they still the same? Perhaps a weight reduction? I very much like the MD11 windows. Does anyone have the exac
59 IflyKPDX : I think a lot of the windows thing is most people are comparing it to the door. I thought the door was supposed to be a "2-person" type, so when takin
60 N844AA : Look at the guy standing near the wheel well in the first picture Keesje posted. Using him for scale makes clear (I think) that the door is enormous.
61 Yellowstone : That's 50 percent by weight, right? So due to the lower density of the composites, a good deal more than 50% by area or volume or however you want to
62 Tugger : I am starting to think that a big part of the "window/door size" problem is coming from the fact there there are no completed 787's to look at, there
63 Ikramerica : That's not a mockup photo. That's a very early computer rendering. Very early. Those "tall" windows were not part of the plan for years now. There's
64 Post contains images TeamAmerica : Yes, it's 50% by weight, which is significant. The lighter a material is the lesser the % of the total weight it represents. If you could build an ai
65 EI321 : Look at the last photo in this post: They are different to the prototype.
66 Ikramerica : The top of the picture looks a bit stretched. Look at the lady's noggin, and even the boy's head. It's a wider angle lens at closer quarters. Does fu
67 Post contains links and images WingedMigrator : Why get all worked up over a bunch of photos when some pretty decent drawings, with dimensions, are available directly from Boeing? See here. The doo
68 Iwok : Does anyone know the purpose of the Aluminum "dome" on the nose, which sits behind the radar and nose cone? The artice mentions something about a "tr
69 Jogales : Isn't it the pressure bulkhead?
70 Post contains images TeamAmerica : Yes it is. Yes, a bird strike can easily puncture an aircraft nose cone. The nose cone of most aircraft is a lightweight, radar-transparent dome. It
71 Post contains images Iwok : Thanks a lot guys. I never though about the forward pressure bulkhead. One is needed .. duh -iwok
72 Post contains images Lightsaber : I would hope so! Where did 42 go? Its the answer to life the universe and everything. Umm... I hope you also have a love life. Seriously, its excitin
73 Pygmalion : Standard 787 window size is 47cm or 18" high, 28cm or 10.5" wide... about 65% larger than any other window on the market. All the section joins are be
74 AirTran717 : And we are over analyzing the window size why? Can't you all find something a little more interesting than that to discuss?? 717
75 Post contains images WingedMigrator : Most assuredly not. The windows on a 777 are 15%, maybe 20% smaller than the windows on a 787. (They are the same width, but only 15.3" high instead
76 ScrubbsYWG : I'm wondering how and why and what ways they deicided this was a good idea to start doing it this way. I ask because i work in continuous improvement
77 JAAlbert : Love the shape and curve of the windshield! Very 1950s spaceship looking
78 Tugger : Quick calculation then: The 777 window is 15% smaller OR the 787's window is 17.647% larger than the 777's. (based on the information presented.) Tug
79 JAAlbert : Because early on, Boeing was touting these new bigger windows as "reconnecting" the passenger with the flight experience through large windows and pr
80 Post contains links and images Keesje : I always like MD11 windows, anybody knows their size?
81 Threepoint : I'm really not sure what you're complaining about. Short of a plate-glass bay window, what do you want? It seems to the reader that if only the windo
82 Rheinbote : Would that mean the idea of joints running 'straight through the window' seems to has been dropped after testing, of which we have positive evidence?
83 Post contains images Astuteman : That's a bit disappointing, really. Looking at things from an engineering perspective, most of us engineers strive to make better and better trade-of
84 Post contains images Baroque : Any chance that the windows, large or small will be clean? Every time I finally get a window seat, clear of the wing and the exhaust trails, AND ther
85 Post contains links Stitch : Spirit's plant in Wichita was the front page story in today's Seattle Times - http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ology/2003676375_787wichita22.htm
86 SW733 : Congrats to my great group of friends at Spirit...looks fantastic....excited to see this plane taking shape!
87 Post contains links Atmx2000 : http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ology/2003676375_787wichita22.html Afterward, circular composite plastic frames -- made in Marysville, Wash.,
88 BoomBoom : Has it been confirmed that the 787 windows will be smaller than promised, or is this just the usual FUD being spread here?
89 Post contains images Lightsaber : Exactly. If you need the big window, become a pilot and buy yourself a jet. There is a reason I always like your posts Astuteman! Engineering is the
90 JAAlbert : You're right of course. Perhaps my rant was a bit over the top. And truly, I will enjoy flying the 787 -- even in cattle class. I will be sure to tak
91 XT6Wagon : The windows in the production 787 are smaller than the original designed windows, but it was a minor reduction and happened when they reshaped them fo
92 Post contains images Rheinbote : exactly Add cyber-goggles to the concept for a totally unobstructed view of the outside! That's a $250m investment with a 12-18 month lead time, no b
93 Post contains links and images BoomBoom : There's a great slideshow in the Seattle Times: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...space/2003676375_787wichita22.html This is slide 2 of 5: A robo
94 Lightsaber : Oh... why was I thinking it was much more? $250 mil is two airframes... not much to base a decision on. Lightsaber
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