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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14440 times:

Hi Guys,

Anyone able to tell me anything definite on the fates of the AC Airbus widebody fleet?

I understand one of the A343s has gone to AR already, or is in the process of going. There are ten in the fleet at present I understand so can anyone tell me who is getting the rest? Presumably they are to be RTL and may well spend some time in the Desert until someone comes in for them. Did I hear rumours of LTU getting some A343s - could they be ex-AC birds?

What about the -500s? Might SQ or EK expand their fleet with them, or are they going to US?

There are eight A330-300s in the fleet - they will be gone inside two years I understand, who might be getting them?


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14315 times:

The -500s were being advertised a while back. I believe Boeing either bought them or guaranteed their resale value as a condition of the 777/787 order.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4136 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14228 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
The -500s were being advertised a while back. I believe Boeing either bought them or guaranteed their resale value as a condition of the 777/787 order.

Boeing knew that AC wanted to replace their aging fleet of 767s on a timely basis, so hence the sweetheart deal for the 787s, and that they weren't completely sold on Airbus for their wide-body fleet. It will be interesting to see what direction they also go on their narrow-bodied fleet of A320/A321s, when Boeing comes out with replacements for the 757 and 737 respectively.



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User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14206 times:

Firesale? I don't know where you folks get this stuff. LOL. The 500's are on the market but are still a part of the schedule.

I believe fin 981 and 982 left already and good riddance, their performance was crap.

AC is using the others as always. With the introduction of the 777 to the fleet some 340's may be RTL as the leases end. AC may also extend the leases if it feels it needs the extra lift for existing or potential new routes.

Firesale. hehehehehe. Too funny.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14149 times:

Quoting Accargo (Reply 3):
Firesale? I don't know where you folks get this stuff. LOL. The 500's are on the market but are still a part of the schedule.

I believe fin 981 and 982 left already and good riddance, their performance was crap.

AC is using the others as always. With the introduction of the 777 to the fleet some 340's may be RTL as the leases end. AC may also extend the leases if it feels it needs the extra lift for existing or potential new routes.

Firesale. hehehehehe. Too funny.

 Wink I thought they were crap gas guzzlers and AC couldnt wait to be shot of them? Thats what you get for spending too much time on here eh?

981/2 were A343s werent they? Were they the ones that went to BWIA?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineBasefly From Denmark, joined Apr 2007, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14101 times:

I know That SK have are more than an little interested in getting their hands on some more wide bodies, The A340/A330 would fit perfect in the fleet.


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14021 times:

Quoting Basefly (Reply 5):
I know That SK have are more than an little interested in getting their hands on some more wide bodies, The A340/A330 would fit perfect in the fleet

I wonder if SK may not totally dismiss the idea of the two A345s. Reason I say that is because their BKK and SIN flights have often been load restricted in the past as their A343E sometimes doesnt have the legs to do MTOW in the heat coming Eastbound against the winds. They carry an awful lot of cargo on these routes as well, and I just wonder if adding the 500 to their SIN/BKK schedules might not be such a bad idea. They have experience of the Trent from the A333s, and a type-rated A340 pool there and ready to go (short conversion notwithstanding).

Maybe even to add a weekly non-stop HKT flight in the peak season?

I know it makes no sense to have a subfleet of two 500s, but since when have SK cared about commonality in their fleet decisions?  Smile



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineBasefly From Denmark, joined Apr 2007, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13909 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
know it makes no sense to have a subfleet of two 500s, but since when have SK cared about commonality in their fleet decisions?

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An /500 might give them some ideas, They are starting an new Dubai route now, and the SK INT OPS maneger have stated earlier that he has at least 4 new long haul routes lying on his desk.

I would love to see SK counter the AY ekspansion  box 



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13885 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
I thought they were crap gas guzzlers and AC couldnt wait to be shot of them? Thats what you get for spending too much time on here eh?

Te A343 is actually a very fuel efficient aircraft, it just isn't as fuel efficient as the 777 but they they are still great machines for longer missions.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13814 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 8):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
I thought they were crap gas guzzlers and AC couldnt wait to be shot of them? Thats what you get for spending too much time on here eh?

Te A343 is actually a very fuel efficient aircraft, it just isn't as fuel efficient as the 777 but they they are still great machines for longer missions.

I think it was pointed out before that the A340-300 is actually more efficient than the 777-200ER, but the 777-200ER is more payload efficient on the longest routes. Im not sure how it compares to the 777-200LR on comparable missions, and the 777-200LR is obviously more efficient than the A340-500.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13776 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 9):
I think it was pointed out before that the A340-300 is actually more efficient than the 777-200ER, but the 777-200ER is more payload efficient on the longest routes.

The A343 has lower trip fuel burn, but it is a smaller aircraft than the 772ER. The adjusted figures for fuel burn per seat/per lb of cargo favor the 772ER, especially beyond medium-haul lengths.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 9):
Im not sure how it compares to the 777-200LR on comparable missions, and the 777-200LR is obviously more efficient than the A340-500.

Despite being heavier than a 772ER, the 772LR will burn less fuel on just about any mission longer than 4,500 nautical miles. At that point, it would also be considerably more fuel efficient than an A343.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13674 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 8):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
I thought they were crap gas guzzlers and AC couldnt wait to be shot of them? Thats what you get for spending too much time on here eh?

Te A343 is actually a very fuel efficient aircraft, it just isn't as fuel efficient as the 777 but they they are still great machines for longer missions.

I know mate - was being sarcastic.  Wink



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13617 times:

There was some talk last week of one of the AC 340-500's going to US Airways wasn't there?

User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13378 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 9):

I think it was pointed out before that the A340-300 is actually more efficient than the 777-200ER, but the 777-200ER is more payload efficient on the longest routes.

I thought that's the case with A330 not A340. That's one of the reason SQ dumped their A343

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13248 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 8):
Te A343 is actually a very fuel efficient aircraft, it just isn't as fuel efficient as the 777 but they they are still great machines for longer missions.

Especially when acquired at the right price.

A lot of the reason the A340 is "crap" is that at the price they were acquired at, they cost too much to fly and in depreciation/lease expense.

But on the used market, if the rates are set low, it can make up for the operation costs, especially for carriers that can't afford a new aircraft of that size/class anyway.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13129 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
I know it makes no sense to have a subfleet of two 500s, but since when have SK cared about commonality in their fleet decisions?

There was news that SK wanted to sublease a single A346 from LH. Perhaps the two A345s could make sense. I think SK are looking to add more frames for longhaul. There is also a clause in teh pilots contract, to do with expansion before then end of the year. But true to form SK will prob order 2 777-200LR's instead!  Wink

Might US get the A345? Who knows.

I should think that these aircraft will stay within the Star Alliance. Perhaps SAA would also be interested. If one airline could get hold of the TG and AC frames they would have a large fleet of A345's (as A345 fleets go!)

Brian



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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12839 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Thread starter):
There are eight A330-300s in the fleet - they will be gone inside two years I understand, who might be getting them?

The 333s are still very efficient aircraft and will stay around till the 787s arrive.



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12333 times:

I thought it was a done deal some 343's were going to LX??


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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12164 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Reason I say that is because their BKK and SIN flights have often been load restricted in the past as their A343E

They've stopped flying to SIN, and I believe their 340s are A343X.



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12164 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 17):
I thought it was a done deal some 343's were going to LX??

Only one is! LX has made clear that they are not interested to acquire any further ex-AC A343s and rather went for the two ex-OS birds. LX has recently expressed the interest to replace some of the A332s with A333s as the leases of some A332s are expiring in 2009 (i believe), to increase capacity especially to key destinations such as JFK. Seems like some ex-AC A333s could be in the cards.


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9921 times:

www.airfleets.net does not list any out of the fleet at this point.

Whatever deal has been negociated, I think the last place where we might see them is in the desert as suggested earlier in this thread. AC is in need of EXPANSION anyways, so you don't actually expand by sending your hardly needed frames in VCV...



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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9538 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 20):
www.airfleets.net does not list any out of the fleet at this point.

Whatever deal has been negociated, I think the last place where we might see them is in the desert as suggested earlier in this thread. AC is in need of EXPANSION anyways, so you don't actually expand by sending your hardly needed frames in VCV...

The 2 AC 340-500s are available from several companies for Long Term Leasing starting in September 2007. I'd assume they'd see service with AC until August/September. US Airways is possibly negotiating a lease for them. IF US actually chose the A350-XWB over the 787 (which we should know shortly), then I assume it's possible Airbus could provide something instead as part of the deal. These 340s are expected to be used by US for Asia expansion.


User currently offlineNeednewairport From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9441 times:

US is in desperate need of widebody aircraft for a variety of reasons. Airbus cannot get us new aircraft fast enough, so we are looking to pick up some of AC 340's as an interm solution. This of course, is all rumor. We also, have supposedly choosen the A350EWB over the 787.....but who knows this industry not only runs on kerosene it also runs on rumors.

User currently offlineDank From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 915 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9323 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 19):
LX has recently expressed the interest to replace some of the A332s with A333s as the leases of some A332s are expiring in 2009 (i believe), to increase capacity especially to key destinations such as JFK. Seems like some ex-AC A333s could be in the cards.

This is good to hear. I was wondering if LX had been considering some 333s for some of the shorter higher demand routes.

cheers.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9254 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 9):
I think it was pointed out before that the A340-300 is actually more efficient than the 777-200ER

It isn't. It burns less on an absolute basis because it is smaller. The 772ER's CASM is lower.



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25 MEACEDAR : I think some of the AC A340s are going to US, no?
26 Zeke : That depends on the number of seats installed, hence Seat Mile.
27 Post contains images Brilondon : If they can a good price for them they would sell them in a heart beat.
28 Ruslan : Anyone know where 9Y-JIL has gone to??? Was acquired from AC for BW but now JIL's out of BW's fleet..returned to lessors?? SOld??
29 BWIA 772 : 9Y JIL was an ex virgin aircraft G VSKY 9Y TJN was ex AC bird C FNTP which will be leaving CAL the end of the month. She should be heading to Montrea
30 Thorben : AC is to get another 7 or 8 T7s this year, if they sell one A340 for each, then they'll drop almost all of them. However, I'm not really worried about
31 Post contains links Avion660 : There's been quite a bit of discussion in these two posts about some AC A343's going to LAN: LAN Plans To Order 24 Aircraft, Incl. 15 A32S. (by Manni
32 Thorben : I read recently that LAN will get four new A343s from Airbus. In ten years, we'll have the eternal 787/A350 battle on a.net.
33 Jfk777 : Its interesting to see how the first truly "new" fleet of Airbus A340 is getting dispersed in its second life. Some operators of A340 like AR want eve
34 FLYACYYZ : Concurrent with the 77L move onto the HKG route, the 345's are operating daily YYZ-PVG flights until October 27th. Can't see the aircraft being relea
35 MCOflyer : I believe they will. US will definately be putting in bids for these. MCOflyer
36 CF-CPI : About relative fuel efficiency: At the time NW finalized the purchase of A330-300s, there was a good deal of chatter here about it's efficiency vis-a-
37 Flysherwood : Did AC buy the 777-200ER? I thought they bought the 777-300ER.
38 EI321 : They did not buy the 200ER, I used it because its the closest 777 to the A340-300 in terms of size, payload & range.
39 Post contains images Qantas744ER : No way that is going to happen... sounds like a stupid rumor to me! LH desperately need as many long haul planes as possible in this moment, especial
40 OceansWorld : Here are the details of the newLX A343s additions. The first is ex. AC C-FYKX. HB-JMJ / MSN150 / 13.07.2007 HB-JML / MSN263 / 10.09.2007 HB-JMK / MSN
41 Flysherwood : You are correct on the A343 but not the A345's. As EI321 says above. Compare the A343 with the 777-200ER. The A345 should be compared with the 777-30
42 Donder10 : The A346 competes with the 773ER ,not the 345.
43 Flysherwood : Did AC buy the A346? I thought they only bought the A345?
44 OceansWorld : Yes, AC ordered three of them back in 1997 as a launch customer. They were never delivered though.
45 Flysherwood : Since we are talking about AC, it is pretty hard to compare the 773ER with a plane that was never delivered to them. But I am pretty sure that they i
46 Post contains images OceansWorld : Both were ordered at the same time as the A346 to enter service in 2002 but arrived only in 2004.
47 BeechNut : And the 777-200LR Beech
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