Devildog2222 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9033 times:
Well I know its late news but on April 15th Frontier brought its first E170 into SFO operated by Rupublic Airlines. The E170 is replacing the A319 on the LAX trips. Here are some pictures I took on that day.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9000 times:
Well, that fixes their load problems! Now, will it help them get positive yields and profits on the route?
I am totally going to try flying this route now, just for fun!
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Planecrazy2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8962 times:
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8921 times:
Well. Going north, they have two A319s and two E70s a day.
Going south, they have 1 A319 and 3 E70s a day.
How do they accomplish this?
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
The E170's are based in DEN. One does an early morning DEN-SFO, which puts it into the system to do SFO-LAX turns during the day, but flies back from LAX to DEN late evening.
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8842 times:
Looking at those pics, I can't believe this is a "regional" aircraft flown by "regional" pilots at a "regional" airline. To all you Frontier employees, pilots or not, I am sorry that your jobs are being farmed out.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8766 times:
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6): To all you Frontier employees, pilots or not, I am sorry that your jobs are being farmed out.
?? When was the last time F9 employees flew a 70 seat plane?
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
Devildog2222 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8725 times:
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6): Looking at those pics, I can't believe this is a "regional" aircraft flown by "regional" pilots at a "regional" airline. To all you Frontier employees, pilots or not, I am sorry that your jobs are being farmed out.
Well since its operated by Republic, its Pilots and FA's are all Republic. Its basically like a United/Skywest thing.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8535 times:
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6): Looking at those pics, I can't believe this is a "regional" aircraft flown by "regional" pilots at a "regional" airline. To all you Frontier employees, pilots or not, I am sorry that your jobs are being farmed out.
RP 170 pilots are probably making as much as they would be making flying the 170 at F9.
RP captains are $53 (per hour, as are all these numbers) first year/ $76 eighth year, and FOs are $23 first year and $36 eighth year. F9 captains are $115 first year and $146 eighth year and FOs are $52 first year and $88 eighth year.
That difference is not really out of line for the aircraft size difference. By comparison, US captains on airbii make $119 second year and $128 eighth year and 190 captains make $79 first year and $89 eighth year. Scale that down to a 70 seater and you're about where RP is.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
NY-JFK-LGA From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 374 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 8087 times:
Oh and I'm really sorry that they're jobs were farmed out to Horizon Air back then too. Its always been like that. Its the airline industry and anything can happen at anytime, and no one should take anything personally. These are like two golden rules of the industry.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10682 posts, RR: 100 Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 8018 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
The E170's are based in DEN. One does an early morning DEN-SFO, which puts it into the system to do SFO-LAX turns during the day, but flies back from LAX to DEN late evening.
That is an interesting way to plan the flights...
I'm excited for F9. Between the E170's and Q400's, they will be able to broaden the reach of DEN *and* do a bit more point to point. It will be interesting to see where all these planes end up.
As to the E170's being outsourced... so what? Now another airline's pilots are getting paid. It would not be economical for F9 to buy and fly such a small E-jet fleet on their own. Republic flies E-jets for a few airlines and thus has quite a bit more economy of scale. I'm an aviation enthusiast too... but airlines must be run as a business. Too many have destroyed too much money.
Next time I go up to SFO I'll have to try and fly the E-jets.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4736 posts, RR: 30 Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7911 times:
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 6): Looking at those pics, I can't believe this is a "regional" aircraft flown by "regional" pilots at a "regional" airline. To all you Frontier employees, pilots or not, I am sorry that your jobs are being farmed out.
I guess you could look at it that way, but in reality, that would be almost the entire industry that is doing this. I think it is a smart move on F9's part, to be able to utilize the Republic service. The aircraft can be used to test markets for future F9 expansion, and used to markets that won't fill a 318 or 319.
SFO to LAX for example (THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE).... The flights are going out at less than 50% full on its own planes. F9 is losing money on the route. So, they bring Republics E170 into the market, and the Republic plane goes out at a 90+ % load factor. Both airlines benefit from this move. Plus it frees up a F9 aircraft to either expand service somewhere, or start a new destination.
If the Republic service proves well, and they benefit from the E170's, you may see F9 eventually look at ordering its own aircraft like US Airways has done (E190's).
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7811 times:
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 13): SFO to LAX for example (THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE).... The flights are going out at less than 50% full on its own planes. F9 is losing money on the route.
Right. Only the morning flight seemed to be doing well, and they are keeping 2x LAX-SFO and 1x SFO-LAX as A319 to meet that demand. Then on the afternoon flights, they've cut the plane size in half (roughly) and should now how 80% loads on all their flights. Yield is another story, but it'll be interesting.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
ORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7757 times:
I find it interesting that Frontier is listed on the aircraft and not something like Frontier Jet Express. When I sell them in sabre I get the following responce:
01Y2«
1 F94665Y 01JUL S DENSFO SS1 710A 845A /DCF9 /E
OPERATED BY FRONTIER JETEXPRESS - REPUBLIC AIRLINES
I'm sure the there must be some kind of sticker at the front door and possibly the safety cards and on board announcements. Regardless I'm thrilled to see more of those birds flying in the U.S. They trully are one of the most comfortable aircraft in the air!
Stealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5701 times:
that would explain why I saw one on Monday afternoon. should help them with turning a profit on the route.
Georgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5214 times:
That plane looks great! The Republic crews always do an amazing job on the UAX flights i've been on. Cant wait to see those planes in FWA when Frontier announces their new city's!!
NZblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 632 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5165 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 17): Lockon is already saying that the tail on N873RW is a Brown Owl, which suggests it has been painted.
They are also saying that the tail on the new A318 - N809FR - is a Porcupine. Now that I'd like to see.
The Brown Owl tail has been flying for at least two weeks now...I've seen it both in CA and at DEN. N809FR looks really sharp, too (no pun).
Republic's planes in F9 colors look really great, in my opinion! I'm looking forward to see what else they come up with as more of the 170s are delivered, as well as flying in them in the future.
It's an entirely different kind of flying; all together.
PlanePainter From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 56 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5011 times:
I have seen 809 and 810 and they are different. Waiting on permission to post photos here, then I can share them with everyone.
AirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 542 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4871 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 17): They are also saying that the tail on the new A318 - N809FR - is a Porcupine. Now that I'd like to see.
809 looks great!
Quoting Mariner (Reply 17): Does anyone know the delivery schedule of the E170's to Frontier?
I've heard that additional 170s will not arrive until after summer. Until then, we still have 4 nice looking birds to look at.
The puzzle is that there are on photos of it on the German website. Usually the Hamburg photographers snap then as soon as they come out of the paintshop, but no luck with 809. Same was with 808.
Alphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 936 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4683 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 17): Does anyone know the delivery schedule of the E170's to Frontier?
Best I could find is 4 E-170s delivered in March and April.
First Qtr, Express ASM growth 8.5%
No more Horizon returns until September. 2 gone already, leaving 7.
Last 7 go away September through December.
"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
Cactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2380 posts, RR: 33 Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4485 times:
I caught a glimps of her in Denver a couple weeks ago but the Frontier website doesn't have it listed yet...
You can't fix stupid.... - Ron White
25 AirplaneBoy: Good point mariner. It would be nice to see what the tail of ship 810 will be. Hey there Cactus739! Actually, Frontier has been a little behind in na
26 Tripleboom: Here's the porcupine on N909FR. It's actually in OMA today! http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=606955 Also, N874RW has been in rotation in th
27 Bahadir: I cannot agree more. I flew SLC-MSP with DL last year around this time. 733s are gone to SkyWorst CRJ900s. Unless you lived in cave for last 10 years
28 Mariner: Thanks, Tripleboom, good stuff. I'm still puzzled that when I go to Planepictures, it isn't showing up, either under Frontier or A318. Odd. mariner
29 ORDZW: That looks great! I am looking forward to seeing 810 as well! We don't see too many 318s in ABQ anymore. There is only the one Airbus that does the o
30 Tripleboom: I thought it a bit odd too. I was originally just google searching for N809FR but couldn't find anything. So I did a google search by the registratio
31 Tripleboom: Actually got into work today just in time to see the new A318 push. Spoke to the CA beforehand and got to take a peek inside. Still no leather seats,
32 ABQ747: Why does F9 take over some QX flights? For example, Flight 4333 is normally operated by a QX CRJ-700. Yesterday, F9 operated it with an A319. They se
33 Tripleboom: Because we have a reputation to protect. We always have one of the highest completion rates because we will occasionally cover a broken CRJ or ERJ wi
34 ATAIndy: The F9 scheme looks good on the E170... I just wish they had painted the wingtips green, that would have been sweet.
35 ConcordeBoy: Nice... be great to see if they could bring back DEN-MSY with one of these.
36 ORDZW: Exactly! This has happened more often since some of the QX CRJs have returned to the AS system. If there is a spare Airbus available in DEN, the SCSM
37 Tripleboom: How true is that! Still feels weird hearing an Airbus call in with a four digit flight number, or we did have a downgrade a few weeks back from an A3
39 Ack426: I know Republic didn't install an IFE system because of their contract, but it would have been cool to see the E170 with it. Aren't they going to be f
40 PlanePainter: Here is N873RW, http://web2.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5961335&nseq=1
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