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The New Republic Airlines Using RW As Its Code  
User currently offlineRW717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 287 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

So I was just wondering if the fact that Republic Airlines uses the code RW is just a coincidence or did it come with the name Republic Airlines consdidering the original Republic bought the original RW, which was Hughes Airwest.


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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

Airlines do not 'own' the codes. RW would have been returned to IATA when Hughes Airwest went bye-bye. In requesting a new code Republic Airlines would have been given a choice (3 or 4 I recall). RW was obviously available.

I remember for a time there was a Republic YELLOW and a Republic BLUE before they got their act together.


User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

It's a tricky one...

Westford owns Republic Airways (parent company) and it's split down to Republic Airlines, Chautauqua Airlines, Shuttle America.

The codes break down like this:
RW for Republic Airlines
RP for Chautauqua Airlines
S5 for Shuttle America

BTW Republic Airlines are coming to LGA with ERJ-170/175 in June under US Airways Express colors  Wink


User currently offlineSBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Why is this parent Republic Airways split into so many subsidairies? It's very confusing, but then again I find the whole outsorced, regional airline system very confusing and actually kind of false advertising for the large carrier. Putting Delta Connection, Northwest Airlink, Continental Express, or what have you, painted on a plane that really isn't that airline seems a bit dodgy. You have to look for the small print on the fuselage, ticket, safety card, f/a safety briefing, or inflight magazine to know who is really operating the flight.


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Quoting 777WT (Reply 2):
BTW Republic Airlines are coming to LGA with ERJ-170/175 in June under US Airways Express colors

Where will they be originating from?



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User currently offlineWillbdsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4467 times:

I know Republic Airways (the parent) bought Shuttle America to fix the issue with operating the E170s on the same certificate as the E145s for American. Republic had to pay fine money to American since they were in violation with their contract. They couldn't fly anything with more than 50 seats on the same operating certificate as planes flown under the AA banner. (something to do with the agreement with American Eagle).

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

Quoting SBN580 (Reply 3):
Why is this parent Republic Airways split into so many subsidiaries?

Because of the terms of the various contracts the company has with various airlines. Some of these subsidiaries were created or acquired because they couldn't operate a certain a/c type or for certain airlines or out of certain cities for another airline.

It's very common for there to be terms and conditions under which an regional carrier flies under an airlines' Express or Connection banner. For example, EV flies DL Connection service into/out of LAX because OO (whose parent company also owns ASA) operates as an United Express carrier out of LAX and because of the contract, they cannot operate as a DL Connection into/out of LAX.

Then you have cities where a regional airline holding company has nearly every single airline operating into an airport under multiple banners. Mesa flies for US Airways Express and United Express and their Freedom Airlines subsidiary flies for Delta Connection. Republic has Chautauqua flying under the American Connection banner, Republic flies under the Delta Connection and US Airways Express banner, and Shuttle America flies under the Delta Connection and United Express banner. You can also throw in EV and OO as both airlines fly under the DL Connection banner and share the same corporate ownership.


User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Quoting SBN580 (Reply 3):
Why is this parent Republic Airways split into so many subsidairies? It's very confusing, but then again I find the whole outsorced, regional airline system very confusing and actually kind of false advertising for the large carrier. Putting Delta Connection, Northwest Airlink, Continental Express, or what have you, painted on a plane that really isn't that airline seems a bit dodgy. You have to look for the small print on the fuselage, ticket, safety card, f/a safety briefing, or inflight magazine to know who is really operating the flight.

Because the majors wants their name on it for brand recognition. So hence why the regional names are small.
When you find or book a flight, you can see a small logo or writing that says "Operated by: (Name of regional airline)" and printed on the boarding pass.
You can see the name of the regional airline on the safety cards in small print.

Republic airways came close or did go into bankruptcy until wexford holdings brought them and turned them around into a sucessful regional airline.

Chautauqua Airlines used to have ERJ-135, ERJ-145 and ERJ-170 but the contract with American said aircrafts cannot be more than a specified weight and more than # of seats. American fined Chautauqua Airlines when they brought up the contract and the ERJ-170 issue when Chautauqua Airlines started flying them.
All the $$$ Chautauqua Airlines made on the ERJ-170 didn't make much profit for them because the $$$ was transfered to American to pay the fines.

So Shuttle America was formed (that's what I think since most of the guys in CHQ have transfered to S5 to work on bigger planes and a lil bit more pay, all before operations started) and all the ERJ-170's was transfered to S5.
When the last one was out of CHQ system, Republic Airways stopped paying the fines to American.

As of today:
Chautauqua Airlines operates ERJ-135, ERJ-145, CRJ-200 for American Connection, Continental Express, Delta Connection, United Express and US Airways.

Republic airlines operates ERJ-170 (ERJ-175 for US Airways coming soon) for Frontier Airlines, US Airways.

Shuttle America operates for Delta Connection and United Express.


Due to having 3 different airlines under one parent company:

Each has their own Maintenance Control and Dispatch

Maintenance personal can work on all 3 but under contractor status for any other airline under it's parent company.
Example: I work for CHQ and if a RP or S5 plane comes to my base, I can work on it but must use my A&P # instead of my employee #. It's the same way around for the other 2 airlines under the parent company (company policy).
I use my employee # for working on my own airline planes (CHQ).

[Edited 2007-04-19 00:37:47]

User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 4):
Where will they be originating from?

Not 100% sure but I'm hearing its going to be PHL. Some of the routes will be PHL > LGA.


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

US Airways people know that RW really stands for Replacement Workers.


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User currently offlineS5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

Quoting 777WT (Reply 7):
So Shuttle America was formed (that's what I think since most of the guys in CHQ have transfered to S5 to work on bigger planes and a lil bit more pay, all before operations started) and all the ERJ-170's was transfered to S5.
When the last one was out of CHQ system, Republic Airways stopped paying the fines to American.

Shuttle America wasn't "formed" it was "bought". The original, independent Shuttle America was also owned by Wexford, as was Chautauqua. Because it took so long to get Republic Airlines certified (certification was delayed by several months), management needed some certificate to put the -170s on and Shuttle America was absorbed into Republic Airways Holdings and the Chautauqua 170s were transfered over starting in June of '05.



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User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 10):
Shuttle America wasn't "formed" it was "bought". The original, independent Shuttle America was also owned by Wexford, as was Chautauqua. Because it took so long to get Republic Airlines certified (certification was delayed by several months), management needed some certificate to put the -170s on and Shuttle America was absorbed into Republic Airways Holdings and the Chautauqua 170s were transfered over starting in June of '05.

Ahh I see. Thanks for the info.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

I was thinking, how is what Chautauqua is doing not a conflict of interest? Right now the only legacy carrier they don't have any sort of agreement with is Northwest, but then again most of the northwest affiliates aren't associated with anyone else.

But I just find it astonishing that the same company that is making money for american, is also making money for its arch rival united, and Delta and everyone else. I mean, if you have crew shortages at your company, you may have to cancel some flights. This may be a little farfetched, but say you had a crew change in CVG for a United trip going back to IAD and the captain got sick. Now lets say that an American trip from STL got to CVG and it was supposed to be the same crew, but the F/O had an emergency and had to be pulled off the trip. Now you have one captain who was supposed to go to STL, and an F/O who was supposed to go to IAD. If you are an operations manager for Chautaqua, now you have to decide which flight to operate and which flight to delay for a new crew. And the problem becomes, if you run STL, UA gets pissed that their flight is delayed, and if you run IAD, vise versa.

And also what happens to one airline can affect another. I have heard of Chautauqua flights late out of IAD for United because the inbound crew was late connecting from a Delta flight. How does this make sense? And say a crew was doing a United flight and the line took them through ORD during a GDP, then in an outstation they switch to do a Delta flight to CVG. How do you explain to Delta passengers that the flight is late because the crew ran late after United stole ORD slots from them?

I applaud RP from a business point of view, but I think this is a logisitical and operational nightmare, and unfortunately this has been the trend in the industry. I liked it much better when a regional airline was tied to one major partner only, and if the parent needed more flying they would ask for it. Unfortunately, only NW seems to still apply this model. I don't agree with much at NW, but I do agree with them here.


User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Apodino, there's crew scheduling for that and I bet it's a major headache in their operations when stuff like that comes up  Wink

Anyways at some point the crew shortages did happen recently.
Currently the hiring is open for first officers in the ERJ-145 and ERJ-170. Really the problem is the training which the simulators are constantly in use and there's not much space to add more.

There's spare crew avail but I find it's harder to get spare crews for test flight after a c-check due to the availabilty from dispatch rather than a crew for a revenue flight. Sometimes ferry flights are done by the same crew who would have flown it on a revenue flight just right before a ferry flight is decided for the same aircraft at a remote airport.

To me they have some kind of magic in getting all this to work  Wink


User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

First post so go easy on me!

I've been knocking around the background on this board for ages and finally decided to get off my keister and get a membership.

I work for the Republic family and I just felt it proper to explain a few things about the operation.

When crews go out on trips (RP or S5), we do NOT normally switch carriers in the middle of it. If it's a 4 day trip on UA, you flying nothing but UA flights. Same goes for DL, etc. (Note: I said normally, however the rare chance it occurs, it's more probable it would happen to Pilots than FAs)

Now Republic itself has a base in DEN for F9...those crews and that base are ONLY F9 flights. Opposite that, the Republic bases in IND, PIT, and DCA are strictly US.
On the Chautauqua side of things, the STL base is the one and only base for AA.

The rest of the RP bases and all of the S5 bases are multi-airline. But again, when we go out on trips, we don't change airlines at an outstation halfway though...we don't even change airlines at hub cities halfway through. For example, in one month I can have 2 trips of 4 days each that are nothing but UA and 2 trips of 3 days each of DL. It depends on my preferences to bid one airline over the other. Does that makes sense to you all? I'm trying to explain something that people seem to not understand unless you are very familiar with Republic Holdings / Skywest / Etc.

Anyway, that's my first post...hopefully one of many!


User currently offlineSBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3990 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 6):
Because of the terms of the various contracts the company has with various airlines. Some of these subsidiaries were created or acquired because they couldn't operate a certain a/c type or for certain airlines or out of certain cities for another airline.

Thanks, I see. It is all still very complex.

Quoting 777WT (Reply 7):
Because the majors wants their name on it for brand recognition. So hence why the regional names are small.
When you find or book a flight, you can see a small logo or writing that says "Operated by: (Name of regional airline)" and printed on the boarding pass.
You can see the name of the regional airline on the safety cards in small print.

Oh, I understand that. I am not accusing airlines of anything criminal. I just wonder how many Joe and Jane Averages know they are not really flying on Major X when they are on Connection carrier Y. Yeah, yeah, I know, as long as they get from point A to point B. However, I have had times when on Connection carrier Y, I did not get the same level of service as the major.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 12):
I liked it much better when a regional airline was tied to one major partner only, and if the parent needed more flying they would ask for it.

I preferred it in back in the day with interline travel, where the interline agreements allowed for travel with two distinct carriers such as when I would go from MCI to ORD on TWA and then go to North Central for the ride to SBN.

Quoting IndyWA (Reply 14):
Anyway, that's my first post...hopefully one of many!

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