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ATA To Discontinue LGA-HOU  
User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5683 times:

ATA will be getting rid of their 737-300's and as a result, trip the LGA-HOU route. That was pretty short lived and give JetBlue the edge once again. ATA always seems to enter into markets only long enough to pull out. I guess we will have to see what is nest for them!

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User currently offlineCO777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

Did WN have any connecting flights on that route? Or are they through MDW?

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5144 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5648 times:

Quoting ATA767 (Thread starter):
ATA will be getting rid of their 737-300's and as a result, trip the LGA-HOU route. That was pretty short lived and give JetBlue the edge once again. ATA always seems to enter into markets only long enough to pull out. I guess we will have to see what is nest for them!

They used 738s on the route though, and what about the WN feed? They went from doing well on the route to halting it--did JetBlue's entrance really put a dent in them that much? Maybe we'll see JetBlue put 320s back on the route as a result.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3464 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

What routes does TZ still serve? It seems like they only serve a handful of markets now. Sad, TZ always provided me with good service in the past. I miss their MSP-MDW flights.

Jeremy


User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5611 times:

Quoting ATA767 (Thread starter):
ATA will be getting rid of their 737-300's

Those didn't last long. Where are they going?



If not now, then when?
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5611 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 2):
did JetBlue's entrance really put a dent in them that much?

Well, CO also serves LGA-IAH, and they protect their hubs fiercely, so I'm sure that CO's presence on the route contributed to some extent to TZ's decision.


User currently offlineDL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

did people in either Houston or New York know they were an option? If they didn't I would be willing to wager a bet on thats why they pulled out.


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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5553 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 5):
Well, CO also serves LGA-IAH, and they protect their hubs fiercely, so I'm sure that CO's presence on the route contributed to some extent to TZ's decision.

CO has an immense number of dailies from IAH-NYC: I'd wager 20 overall between EWR, LGA and JFK. Let's also not forget that AA operates HOU-LGA iirc.

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 5):
did people in either Houston or New York know they were an option? If they didn't I would be willing to wager a bet on thats why they pulled out.

I'd never heard of this route until now. Most Houstonians fly CO and WN religiously.


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

Quoting Cba (Reply 7):
CO has an immense number of dailies from IAH-NYC: I'd wager 20 overall between EWR, LGA and JFK. Let's also not forget that AA operates HOU-LGA iirc.

Not anymore. They dropped this route about a year ago. I'd love to see it come back, although I'm not sure why: I've switched most of my flying to CO and LGA-IAH works perfectly well for me.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 6):
did people in either Houston or New York know they were an option? If they didn't I would be willing to wager a bet on thats why they pulled out

If us locals didn't know who do you blame that on.......I'd say ATA and no advertising. I mean if you are gonna play in a market that is dominated by a HUB carrier in their HUB city let alone at both ends, you best bring your A game to the coral, and then you think because it is HOU you are going to fly to, then Southwest appears and you still don't advertise!



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3917 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

Sad to see HOU lose another carrier. Like Midwest, TZ now joins a growing list carriers since deregulation that simply could not make HOU work. I hope that B6 is more successful.

So, when will TZ officially cease HOU ops?

Quoting Cba (Reply 7):
'd never heard of this route until now

Its been the subject of a few threads here over the last year or so.

Thomas



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User currently offlineXJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5517 times:

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 6):

Never knew they were offering that route either. CO and XJT get most of my business. WN is a no-no for my family!


User currently offlineDL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 9):

If us locals didn't know who do you blame that on.......I'd say ATA and no advertising.

I wasn't trying to blame it on the locals. I agree that its totally ATA's fault that they didn't advertise. It seems like common sense, so why do soooo many companies seem to act like they have none?



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21423 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 6):
did people in either Houston or New York know they were an option?

This New Yorker didn't. I thought the only airline that flew from New York to Hobby was B6.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6514 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

I called this one almost immediately after it was announced. Two airlines flying NYC-Hobby is one too many. Advertising or not, you'd think that with the amount of people living in both cities that it wouldn't be very hard to fill a couple of 737's, epecially with the WN connecting traffic. Obviously that traffic was minimal at best. Houston flyers have a ton of nonstop options to the New York area, so this isn't really a huge loss for them. Let's face it...in Houston...if you don't have a globe on your tail or the words "Southwest" on there, you're just a small time player with not a lot of chance for growth and/or success.

User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

I think it had a lot to do with JetBlue's entrance into the market. TZ was packed from day one on that route and did not need to be advertised. They also had the WN feed and the right sized A/C for the route. They also only had 2 flights so I would think that it did not provide as many option to their customers.

JetBlue's entrance really hurt them and they did nothing to defend the market (not sure they really could) so now with the returning of the 733s they will probably add more capacity to MDW-LGA and call it a day as they always seem to do that as they pull down routs out of LGA (IND, PIE,SFO) as they are still contending with Delta's entrance into that route.

[Edited 2007-04-18 16:01:19]

User currently offlineNYCTZ From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

The route started very strong in May and stayed strong through Sept. After that the loads fell off a cliff and rock bottom fares took over . There were a few heavy periods through the holidays and we have been absolutely jam-packed for the last 6 weeks during spring break. There was a fair amount of print advertising early on and I know another campaign ran after JB started their service in Sept. Rock bottom fares continue to rule and although the flights are full, yeilds on this route and the removal of the 733's from the fleet have resulted in its demise. There are alot of connectors to SWA on this route. They will most likely be rerouted through MDW.

We made it last for a year. I must say that our Houston passengers were some of the most pleasant I've encounterd during 17 years of flying and will be missed!


User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 2):
They used 738s on the route though,

Right, but they need the 738's to replace the 733's on the MDW to DFW, DCA, & LGA routes.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5144 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

Hate to see TZ go - I remember seeing themsub 752s and 753s on the route from time to time.


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User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Bummer. We will miss you, TZ!


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User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Bummer. We will miss you, TZ!


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User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Bummer. We will miss you, TZ!


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User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Bummer. We will miss you, TZ!


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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

Quoting Jc2354 (Reply 4):
Those didn't last long. Where are they going?

402 and 403 will be going to FlyLAL (Lithuanian Airlines). 402 leaves in May and 403 in Sept. 401 is still being worked out with the lessor.

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 5):
Well, CO also serves LGA-IAH, and they protect their hubs fiercely, so I'm sure that CO's presence on the route contributed to some extent to TZ's decision.



Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 6):
did people in either Houston or New York know they were an option? If they didn't I would be willing to wager a bet on thats why they pulled out.



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 9):
If us locals didn't know who do you blame that on.......I'd say ATA and no advertising. I mean if you are gonna play in a market that is dominated by a HUB carrier in their HUB city let alone at both ends, you best bring your A game to the coral, and then you think because it is HOU you are going to fly to, then Southwest appears and you still don't advertise!



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 10):
So, when will TZ officially cease HOU ops?

You all are reading too much into this. Yes, competition on the route was fierce and it had great loads intially, but the main reason for dropping it was returning the aircraft since a 3 aircraft sub-fleet is not cost efficient. Returning the aircraft is only capable if one aircraft's worth of flying is cancelled. The weakest route happened to by LGA-HOU and thus its ending May 7. Since the September 2006 entrance of B6, this route has been difficult.

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 12):
I wasn't trying to blame it on the locals. I agree that its totally ATA's fault that they didn't advertise. It seems like common sense, so why do soooo many companies seem to act like they have none?

Ahh yes, and you are the marketing expert. Why would TZ want to spend precious marketing dollars on a two flight route between two points where neither of them are a hub? The cost far outweighs the benefit here. Airlines do not have endless marketing budgets, one must pick their battles where it can gain the most benefit. This route was intended on taking advantage of the WN codeshare and WN chose not to advertise it either so its not a HUGE loss. Yes, the airline never wants to leave a market, but it happens...that's what competition is about and is very prevalent in this business, just look at AirTran.

TZ is holding its own and there will be more market additions in the future that expand on the WN codeshare.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

Quoting Jc2354 (Reply 4):
Those didn't last long. Where are they going?

402 and 403 will be going to FlyLAL (Lithuanian Airlines). 402 leaves in May and 403 in Sept. 401 is still being worked out with the lessor.

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 5):
Well, CO also serves LGA-IAH, and they protect their hubs fiercely, so I'm sure that CO's presence on the route contributed to some extent to TZ's decision.



Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 6):
did people in either Houston or New York know they were an option? If they didn't I would be willing to wager a bet on thats why they pulled out.



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 9):
If us locals didn't know who do you blame that on.......I'd say ATA and no advertising. I mean if you are gonna play in a market that is dominated by a HUB carrier in their HUB city let alone at both ends, you best bring your A game to the coral, and then you think because it is HOU you are going to fly to, then Southwest appears and you still don't advertise!



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 10):
So, when will TZ officially cease HOU ops?

You all are reading too much into this. Yes, competition on the route was fierce and it had great loads intially, but the main reason for dropping it was returning the aircraft since a 3 aircraft sub-fleet is not cost efficient. Returning the aircraft is only capable if one aircraft's worth of flying is cancelled. The weakest route happened to by LGA-HOU and thus its ending May 7. Since the September 2006 entrance of B6, this route has been difficult.

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 12):
I wasn't trying to blame it on the locals. I agree that its totally ATA's fault that they didn't advertise. It seems like common sense, so why do soooo many companies seem to act like they have none?

Ahh yes, and you are the marketing expert. Why would TZ want to spend precious marketing dollars on a two flight route between two points where neither of them are a hub? The cost far outweighs the benefit here. Airlines do not have endless marketing budgets, one must pick their battles where it can gain the most benefit. This route was intended on taking advantage of the WN codeshare and WN chose not to advertise it either so its not a HUGE loss. Yes, the airline never wants to leave a market, but it happens...that's what competition is about and is very prevalent in this business, just look at AirTran.

TZ is holding their own and there will be market additions in the future that expand on the WN codeshare.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
25 TZTriStar500 : 402 and 403 will be going to FlyLAL (Lithuanian Airlines). 402 leaves in May and 403 in Sept. 401 is still being worked out with the lessor. You all
26 TZTriStar500 : 402 and 403 will be going to FlyLAL (Lithuanian Airlines). 402 leaves in May and 403 in Sept. 401 is still being worked out with the lessor. You all
27 Lt-AWACS : AA flew this as an extension from AUS through HOU to LGA was somewhat popular for the few non CO and WN FFlyers going between AUS and HOU but the ser
28 XJETFlyer : I'm just an average passenger with no airline involvement. I never heard of ATA flying from Hobby to anywhere. I have always been a CO supporter and c
29 Ghillier : I flew HOU-LGA when AA had 2 daily flights that routed AUS-HOU-LGA and back and they were always packed. Not sure why AA abandoned the route to begin
30 N844AA : When I was flying the AA route a lot about six months before it was discontinued, it would pretty reliably alternate between 105% full and 40% full. A
31 Mexicana757 : Sad to see this route for ATA go. Wonder what they will use those LGA slots that open.
32 FlyingClrs727 : Why does ATA need to advertise the HOU-LGA to make it successful? I thought the whole purpose of the WN code share was to generate business for both a
33 TinPusher007 : Hmmmm...I wonder if DL could be interested in this route from LGA? But then, they couldn't make DFW work and that was evev a former hub for them.
34 DL777LAX : Take my opinion for what its worth, I'm not connected to the aviation industry. But if you can't sell a product, then you have two options, try to ma
35 LGA777 : With LGA slots being such a hot comodity will TZ utilze the two LGA-HOU slots for two additional LGA-MDW freqs ? I realize with the 733's going away t
36 PHX Flyer : Hindsight is of course always 20/20, but I think in the end ATA's service was doomed to fail. ATA's problem is that they do not have a strong cutomer
37 TZTriStar500 : We are NOT getting out of scheduled service and going all charter. This speculation is not based in any fact whatsoever. The Southwest code share is
38 N908AW : THANK YOU! I am sick of this nagging delusion all across A.nut that somehow ATA is still bankrupt. What does ATA have to do to prove its financial st
39 Drerx7 : The fact that you had to reenter screening at Hobby to connect from WN to TZ wasn't a positive either. This would have been remedied once the central
40 Cactus742 : The awful WN-TZ connection times are not limited to Texas. I'm flying PHX-MDW-DCA in about a month and it requires me to leave PHX at noon, get into
41 TZTriStar500 : One of the main reasons for this is slot controls. The TZ flights to DCA and LGA are restricted to certain times of the day so WN would have adjust t
42 FlyingClrs727 : It doesn't take over three hours to transfer to another flight. Southwest is only making available seats on flights with low load factors. They have
43 Wjcandee : Inaccurate. The whole inventory is there, limited only by minimum connection times. Well, let's talk about your actual case first. The 2:10pm flight
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