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SAA Vs TAP On Flights To Southern Africa  
User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

I am looking into flights between the US and Southern Africa for this summer. As a Mileage Plus member, I am deciding between flying South Africa Airways on one of the non-stops from IAD. My other option is with TAP Portugal and flying direct from Lisbon. How is the Y service on both airlines with their A340s? I like the prospects of Lisbon because I can break up the trip with a day in Lisbon (I'm looking at an 8:30am arrival from the US and an 11pm departure out again; I like that especially compared to a 4-8 hour layover in LHR, FRA or ZRH) but also the possibilities of upgrading myself with TAP using United miles (which is not possible with SAA). Thoughts? Thanks!

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User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3910 times:
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Do bear in mind that TP LIS-JNB flights are not always non-stop. I'm pretty sure that the JNB-LIS leg stops in Maputo.


FB.



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User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

Hi!

Bear in mind it will be a 346 on SAA with great service and a good entertainment program

I would say go for SA as the nonstop is so much quicker

As FB said TP could be via Maputo one way

Due to JNB altitude the ac cannot reach US nonstop so flight is via Dakar

Cheers!

Tony


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 1):
Do bear in mind that TP LIS-JNB flights are not always non-stop. I'm pretty sure that the JNB-LIS leg stops in Maputo.

TP does have both options, flying LIS-JNB-MPM-LIS and/or LIS-MPM-JNB-LIS. So basically you could fly LIS - JNB - LIS on both ways nonstop.

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 2):

I would say go for SA as the nonstop is so much quicker



Quoting Aio86 (Thread starter):
deciding between flying South Africa Airways on one of the non-stops from IAD.

SAA doesn't fly nonstop from IAD to JNB but direct with a stop in DKR on both ways.

I would still opt for South African Airways as from WAS they use the 346 which is a very good product (not only in Business).

Cheers



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User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

Hi Swissgabe

SAA do fly nonstop now Washington Johannesburg sector only

Flight time 15h 15 min

Cheers!
Tony


User currently offlineDirkou From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 571 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

If you want bad service, 1 stop in the way, an outdated airport in Lisbon and old flights attendants (in fact Air Portugal on long haul only has 40+ flight attendants due to union agreements) take TAP Portugal. If you want a world class airline then SAA is the way to go.

User currently offlineTAP1972 From Portugal, joined Dec 2003, 396 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Quoting Dirkou (Reply 5):
has 40+ flight attendants due to union agreements

Well you can see good looking 30 - flight attendants in the long haull flights of TAP.

I would take TAP if you upgrade to business class. The A340's of TAP are quite old so in economy class you won't have PTV's for example. In that cas going in Y class on a A346 might be better. If you upgrade to business class in TAP, then you'll have a flat bed, good food, good wine and entertainment. Plus you would be able to visit Lisbon


User currently offlineUmhlanga From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

SAA are doing IAD-JNB nonstop. But I recall that when they announced that nonstop flight several months ago, SAA mentioned that they would not fly IAD-JNB nonstop during the northern hemisphere summer, due to heat-imposed fuel load restrictions. The SAA timetable does not reflect this, so perhaps SAA have decided that it is possible to fly the route nonstop even with the Washington summer heat. Can anyone else shed some light on this?

Best regards,
Umhlanga


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Hi!

Even if "breaks my heart" I think you'll be better with SAA!!! They fly with the Airbus 340-600 and TP is still flying with the good old 300 model ( but the 312 one, not the 300E or 313X ), no PTV's....screens TV style all around the cabin but.....the TP crews are usually nice, they will serve you nice meals and nice wines/spirits too!!! If you look to your "aviation side" with TP you can stop at MPM and see some pretty unusual airplanes!!! But you will decide wisely!
Regards


User currently offlineTiago701 From Portugal, joined Jun 2006, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Just for the chance of spending the day at beautiful Lisbon i think it's worth flying with TP to JNB.

The only days TP flies nonstop to JNB is Thursdays and Fridays but this departs at 18:45 and 19:05 respectively and not at 23:00. Tuesdays and Saturdays it departs at 23:00 but stops in MPM. All the return flights to LIS from JNB stop in MPM.

I never flew SAA but i think if you can upgrade to Business with TP and spend the day in Lisbon i wouldn't think twice! Just my opinion.

Regards


User currently offlineTiago701 From Portugal, joined Jun 2006, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

By the way, if you decide to book TP (flying from EWR) try to get the flight that arrives in LIS at 6:05 am (TP104) as this is an A330 with a much better economy cabin (with PTVs) than TP106 (arriving at 8:35 am) which is an old A310 with a much worse cabin.

Regards


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8374 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

I'm basically just reiterating what everyone already said. For inflight ammenities and shorter trip time, fly SAA. But if you wish to visit Lisbon and break up your trip, fly TP. LIS is right in the city so you can be just about anywhere you want within minutes of landing. It's a small airport so the security lines are short and quick and basically means you don't have to get back to the airport until maybe an hour before your flight. That gives you almost an entire day at LIS to do whatever you want to do. You may even spend the day at the beach if you want to. Just hop on a train to Estoril/Cascais, spend the day at the beach, eat a nice seafood lunch by the water, then get back on your flight JNB  bigthumbsup 

User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Quoting Aio86 (Thread starter):
I like that especially compared to a 4-8 hour layover in ZRH)

How come? ZRH is a modern, clean and comfortable airport, and the city can be reached within 15mins by train directly from the airport.

But hey, whatever makes you happy Big grin


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Hi!

I agree with SandroZRH regarding ZRH and the city! I was at Kloten just 3 weeks ago and the airport is still one of my favourites, they have the terrace on B terminal were you spot the airplanes quite good with a nice Snack-Bar too, also they have the BuchAir shop with lot's of good stuff to buy. And regarding Zurich itself, it's a very cosmmopolitanean city, with awesome shops, great sights by the Zurich Lake and in a mere 15 minutes by train......but Lisbon is also a great place to visit, maybe a bit longer to get down town and you have to be aware of the rush hour...it can be really disturbing if you don't program well your visit, and you might lose you flight then!!!
Regards


User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3181 times:
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Quoting Dirkou (Reply 5):
If you want bad service, 1 stop in the way, an outdated airport in Lisbon and old flights attendants (in fact Air Portugal on long haul only has 40+ flight attendants due to union agreements) take TAP Portugal. If you want a world class airline then SAA is the way to go.

???

And it's an American who gives such a lesson ??
You need to see cute girls on board to compensate your home frustrations maybe ?

What a silly and childish comment...

FB.



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