RTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13499 times:
Just picked this up on BBC News web-site. An EI baggage handler got left in the hold of a DUB-JFK flight and had to use his mobile phone to call for help. ATC stopped the flight before take-off. Should be an interesting investigation.....
Lucky guy - I should imagine that he would probably have survived the trip but would have been a bit cold not to mention a bit freaked out!
AOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1323 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13440 times:
The very same thing happened on a Fedex flight between Paris and Vienna some weeks ago ! The two handlers got caught in the ATR cargo hold as the captain closed the door because it was beginning to rain. But they didn't manage to prevent the plane from taking off, and flew all the way down to Vienna. The flew back to Paris on an AF flight...
Siggi757 From Iceland, joined Oct 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12027 times:
The same thing happened in Iceland a few years ago. The baggage handler contemplated using his lighter to activate the fire extinguishing system in the 757 cargo hold to attract attention. Just as well the ground crew discovered the mistake and opened the hold before he executed his plan...and himself. If he had activated the system he would have suffocated as the fire extinguishing agent removes all oxygen in the hold.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11533 times:
Quoting Jawed (Reply 6): Wouldn't lack of oxygen be an even bigger problem than the cold temperature?
Likely the ramper was in the manual pit of the aircraft. Those pits are heated and pressurized because that's where animals are loaded for transport. He would have survived just fine as would little Fluffy and Fido.
Most likely this ramper is a jerk and/or really pissed off his coworkers and was being made to pay a lesson.....or refused to pay his union dues. Ah, the brotherhood of the ramp.
USAJPNflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10555 times:
Manual pits are located in the very rear of the aircraft - right behind the rear container compartments.
A rough location would be the lower section of the tail (below the last set of cabin doors).
Manual pits can carry outsized cargo or other items that cannot otherwise be loaded into containers (e.g. live animals, items requiring special handling, human remains, etc.).
Gate-checked baggage and items such as strollers or wheelchairs are almost always loaded here so they can be retrieved quickly after arrival.
Sometimes if there is a lot of cargo in the container compartments, the manual pits can be used for baggage. In my afternoon work, I have sometimes experienced over 70 items unloaded from a B744 manual pit (and still room for the ramp service agent to move around and pluck some items from the very back of the tail!).
Having been inside the manual pits of B747/B767/B777 aircraft, I can say that there is more than enough room for one person to 'camp out' and sleep if forced to do so (even with some bags and cargo in there!).
Memphis From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8826 times:
we are not allowed to even have cell phones on our ramp, yet after we load a plane up. usually while the A/C is still in the blocks, our crew, about 12-14 rampers, MUST sign a sign-off sheet that shows that they we are indeed off the plane, in theory, if someone was missing, we could stop the push and start popping doors.
: This happened to a QX ramper a few years back in an old F-28...the pits were short but very long along the length of the fuse...evidently this guy fa
: Surely the holds are pressurised ? Firstly any livestock carried as freight would not otherwise survive. Secondly a curved structure is relatively eas
: The baggage hold IS pressurised....there is only a laminated floor panel between the pax cabin and cargo hold. Thats why the cargo doors have pressure
: also remember that (unless they left the lights on) it would be pitch black in there! On some A/C, one could find there way, maybe, to the lights, on
: They were alright upon arrival but the funny thing was that the loaders locked them up again when they found them until the police came.
: Well since it was in Irish airspace on an Irish-registered aircraft, I highly doubt that the FAA gives a damn. And what FAR specifically mentions cel
: 47 CFR 22.925 (directly) 14 CFR 91.21 (indirectly) And there's an AC recommending that all operators ban cell phones and other transmitting devices,