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Baggage Handler Left In Hold Of EI DUB-JFK Flight!  
User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12844 times:

Just picked this up on BBC News web-site. An EI baggage handler got left in the hold of a DUB-JFK flight and had to use his mobile phone to call for help. ATC stopped the flight before take-off. Should be an interesting investigation.....

Lucky guy - I should imagine that he would probably have survived the trip but would have been a bit cold not to mention a bit freaked out!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6574273.stm

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User currently offlineAOMlover From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 1305 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12785 times:

The very same thing happened on a Fedex flight between Paris and Vienna some weeks ago ! The two handlers got caught in the ATR cargo hold as the captain closed the door because it was beginning to rain. But they didn't manage to prevent the plane from taking off, and flew all the way down to Vienna. The flew back to Paris on an AF flight...

User currently offlineFlipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12785 times:
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crikey! i would get very freaked out by that, he could have put the peoples clothes on when it got cold. would it be a lot noisier in there than in the cabin?

Fred


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12353 times:

Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 2):
i would get very freaked out by that, he could have put the peoples clothes on when it got cold.

You'd have to have a lot of clothes on to even make a difference. If he was in an unheated section of the airplane, he would've been dead.

Quoted from article:
"The Aer Lingus Airbus 330, bound for New York, was taxi-ing for take-off on 28 December, 2005, when his phone call raised the alarm."

December 28th 2005!?!?! Is this a really slow year for the BBC!


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4838 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12063 times:
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I have heard of this happening from time to time. Although, every story I have heard ends with the plane being stopped before takeoff.


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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11761 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 4):
Although, every story I have heard ends with the plane being stopped before takeoff.

Well.....it was about 2 years go YX sent a ramper to PHL.


User currently offlineJawed From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11372 times:

Wouldn't lack of oxygen be an even bigger problem than the cold temperature?

User currently offlineSiggi757 From Iceland, joined Oct 2001, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11372 times:

The same thing happened in Iceland a few years ago. The baggage handler contemplated using his lighter to activate the fire extinguishing system in the 757 cargo hold to attract attention. Just as well the ground crew discovered the mistake and opened the hold before he executed his plan...and himself. If he had activated the system he would have suffocated as the fire extinguishing agent removes all oxygen in the hold.

User currently offlineBHD From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11196 times:

I've heard of taking an extra person on holiday "in your suitcase" but this is just a step too far!!!
 Big grin  praise 

Woody


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4838 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11020 times:
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Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 5):
Well.....it was about 2 years go YX sent a ramper to PHL.

Never heard that story...  Wink



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User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10895 times:

If you crawled in under alot of baggage you could probably stay warm enough to live, but the biggest problem would be the lack of breathable air.

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10878 times:

Quoting Jawed (Reply 6):
Wouldn't lack of oxygen be an even bigger problem than the cold temperature?

Likely the ramper was in the manual pit of the aircraft. Those pits are heated and pressurized because that's where animals are loaded for transport. He would have survived just fine as would little Fluffy and Fido.

Most likely this ramper is a jerk and/or really pissed off his coworkers and was being made to pay a lesson.....or refused to pay his union dues. Ah, the brotherhood of the ramp.


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10810 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 10):
but the biggest problem would be the lack of breathable air.

Nope, you'd freeze to death long before you ran out of useable oxygen if you were trapped anywhere but the heated bin area for animals.


User currently offline757223 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10558 times:

Where is the manual pit usually located? How big is it?


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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10381 times:

At the rear of the aircraft behind the container compartments. When you spot at airports, you'll see a belt loader up to the manual pit of widebodies.

User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10067 times:

In narrow bodies I think they're all in F1 (or the front bin on the right hand side if facing the door)

User currently offlineUSAJPNflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9900 times:

Manual pits are located in the very rear of the aircraft - right behind the rear container compartments.
A rough location would be the lower section of the tail (below the last set of cabin doors).
Manual pits can carry outsized cargo or other items that cannot otherwise be loaded into containers (e.g. live animals, items requiring special handling, human remains, etc.).
Gate-checked baggage and items such as strollers or wheelchairs are almost always loaded here so they can be retrieved quickly after arrival.
Sometimes if there is a lot of cargo in the container compartments, the manual pits can be used for baggage. In my afternoon work, I have sometimes experienced over 70 items unloaded from a B744 manual pit (and still room for the ramp service agent to move around and pluck some items from the very back of the tail!).

Having been inside the manual pits of B747/B767/B777 aircraft, I can say that there is more than enough room for one person to 'camp out' and sleep if forced to do so (even with some bags and cargo in there!).


User currently offlineQueenofDaSkies From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 99 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9878 times:

Crazy story. If this isn't a reason for having your cell phone on you at all times, I don't know what is!


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User currently offlineConcentriq From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9655 times:

Might be a dumb question, but there is no other way out of "unpressureised unheated" portion of cargo hold? is there some sort of sealed door to the passenger compartment?

OR

if I were to start banging on the ceiling of the cargo hold, woudlnt someone hear me in the passenger compartment?



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9585 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 11):
Most likely this ramper is a jerk and/or really pissed off his coworkers and was being made to pay a lesson.....or refused to pay his union dues. Ah, the brotherhood

What on Earth are you talking about? How is that relevant?



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User currently offlineAviacentre From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8976 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 19):
What on Earth are you talking about? How is that relevant?

Bicoastal is jokingly suggesting that the ramper's coworkers could have intentionally locked him in there as a way to get revenge.



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User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

Back in my Delta days, I worked with a guy who got locked in the rear cargo hold of a DC-9. He flew MEM-STL with no problems.

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7308 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8758 times:
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Few weeks ago, FX sent two handlers from CDG-VIE on a flight. Glad they were okay!  yes 


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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8697 times:

In a related story, the ramper was subsequently fired for violating FAR's and using his cell phone after the main cabin door was closed... Damn FAA

User currently offlineMemphis From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8171 times:

we are not allowed to even have cell phones on our ramp, yet after we load a plane up. usually while the A/C is still in the blocks, our crew, about 12-14 rampers, MUST sign a sign-off sheet that shows that they we are indeed off the plane, in theory, if someone was missing, we could stop the push and start popping doors.


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25 QXRamperMEII : This happened to a QX ramper a few years back in an old F-28...the pits were short but very long along the length of the fuse...evidently this guy fa
26 Bongodog1964 : Surely the holds are pressurised ? Firstly any livestock carried as freight would not otherwise survive. Secondly a curved structure is relatively eas
27 Planefixer : The baggage hold IS pressurised....there is only a laminated floor panel between the pax cabin and cargo hold. Thats why the cargo doors have pressure
28 Memphis : also remember that (unless they left the lights on) it would be pitch black in there! On some A/C, one could find there way, maybe, to the lights, on
29 OHLHD : They were alright upon arrival but the funny thing was that the loaders locked them up again when they found them until the police came.
30 Graphic : Well since it was in Irish airspace on an Irish-registered aircraft, I highly doubt that the FAA gives a damn. And what FAR specifically mentions cel
31 Corey07850 : 47 CFR 22.925 (directly) 14 CFR 91.21 (indirectly) And there's an AC recommending that all operators ban cell phones and other transmitting devices,
32 Copter808 : Ya beat me to it!!
33 Copter808 : Very good idea! I've always wondered why more carriers don't do this. My airline was lucky in that as far as I know, nobody was ever injured or kille
34 Post contains images Graphic : FAR's are 14 CFR aren't they? Only prohibits certain electronics under IFR, and because cell phones aren't on the list, if the P.I.C. determines them
35 N276AASTT : The environmental controls for the bulk cargo area are with the pilots. Depending on the type of aircraft, these controls are usually (OFF) -IF AND O
36 KhenleyDIA : They should start putting IFE in the cargo hold. Or they could put some small little "panic" buttons that are only active when the cargo doors are clo
37 Bongodog1964 : It has already been categorically stated that baggage holds are pressurised. If they were not, the cabin floor would collapse. The hold temperature i
38 Post contains images Airtechy : A friend who is a pilot for a passenger airline says that they refer to the cargo bin heating switch as the "dead dog switch". Jim
39 Sv2008 : This might be a stupid question(s), but if the hold isn't heated at all, doesn't that mean the luggage will get cold? What happens to all those electr
40 Post contains images Astuteman : I would have expected the whole fuselage (fwd of the pressure bulkhead) to be pressurised I would have expected this, too... I'm no expert, But I'd a
41 Smokeyrosco : This happened in 2005, for some reason the exact same incident is been reported again this week in news papers here, I assume the investigation was co
42 Belizexp : I know it as the Bulk bin....
43 CPH757 : Exactly my thought all the way through. People also bring liquids in their luggage, toiletries etc. A bottle of water would blow if freezing, wetting
44 StarGoldLHR : I was on a KLM flight from LHR to AMS about 2 years ago when just before departure the Baggage handler fell out of the hold onto the tarmac. The fligh
45 IAirAllie : When I worked on the ramp for B6 it wasn't unusual to see frost in the cargo hold. Sometimes a bag would freeze to the cargo hold floor. Liquids ofte
46 Sv2008 : Still you'd expect your stuff to be frozen solid when you pick it up, but it never is. And I've never had any stuff damaged (yet) by that extreme cold
47 Concentriq : All these make complete sense... Is there anyone who can tell for certain: 1. Are cargo holds pressurized? 2. Are cargo holds heated? 3. Can one poten
48 Pygmalion : 1. Are cargo holds pressurized? ALL Boeing Aircraft have pressurized cargo holds.. ALL of them and ALL the holds are pressurized, no exception 2. Are
49 Sv2008 : Its essentially the same thing isn't? because the difference won't be that great. It might get a bit colder is circulation is poor, but not much. I a
50 Concentriq : Thank you all: Couple more: 1. Are any freight aircraft have unheated/non-pressurized cargo holds? I am talking about ones that fly above 10000 ft on
51 Post contains images Rwessel : Well, the 747LCF is not...
52 B52murph : Is this also true for the DC-10s/L-1011s? I thought you could enter the cargo hold from the lower galley on those jets so equipped....
53 Pygmalion : It used to be pressurized. But you are right, its not pressurized... at least not the aft part under the "dome". It is heated though. The forward car
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