CV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 5867 times:
The Airbus website quotes the range of A333 with full pax load of 10,500 kms. This would not allow direct KUL/LHR flights (for instance). Is this why they are looking at stopping off in ME, ie BAH ???. Will a one-stop flight affect the loads with people prefering non-stop or will the low prices be the factor ???
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Levent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 5784 times:
I think AirAsia will have full loads on their flights. What most people ultimately look at, are the prices. Many people choose to travel via the Middle East anyway because the ME airlines offer lower fares than the airlines flying non-stop. If AirAsia would make a stop there, it wouldn't be any different, and the pax would actually not have to change planes either.
What I wonder is, whether there will be a crew change in the ME if a stop is made there.
Easyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5087 times:
Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 7): The Airbus website quotes the range of A333 with full pax load of 10,500 kms. This would not allow direct KUL/LHR flights (for instance). Is this why they are looking at stopping off in ME, ie BAH ???. Will a one-stop flight affect the loads with people prefering non-stop or will the low prices be the factor ???
What's the absolute maximum seating on a 333 ? TS have 362 in 2 classes on their 332's, with 3-3-3 seating in Y.
Am sure they'll want max no matter what seating pitch. Will it be 2 classes or 1?
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4894 times:
The A330 is proving itself to be a very versatile and useful aircraft for a number of different missions. It is interesting how since time has gone by the A330 has completely come into its own over 777-200A 767-400ER and 777-200ER/300ER have come into their own over A340.
I think Fly Asian Xpress will give us a new record for how many people can be shoe-horned into an A330... interesting they went with the A330-300 (with its lower CASM) vs the A330-200 which could reach Europe non-stop.
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Levent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4580 times:
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 14): so this order by them effectively rules out nonstop KUL-Europe flights which means that Sharjah, UAE will be the enroute stop to EU.
This is not definite yet, it is? Another option as en-route stop mentioned was Amritsar.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4549 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 10): It's not surprising considering the number of Airbus airplanes they have. Good for Airbus!
Yea the 330 is really selling well ! Good for them !
Konstantin
..which just goes to show that even an "older generation plane" will sell if the price is right....
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 13):
I think Fly Asian Xpress will give us a new record for how many people can be shoe-horned into an A330... interesting they went with the A330-300 (with its lower CASM) vs the A330-200 which could reach Europe non-stop.
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4655 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3387 times:
Quoting Easyas321 (Reply 12): What's the absolute maximum seating on a 333 ? TS have 362 in 2 classes on their 332's, with 3-3-3 seating in Y.
Am sure they'll want max no matter what seating pitch. Will it be 2 classes or 1?
IIRC the max. one class seating is 440.
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 13): interesting they went with the A330-300 (with its lower CASM) vs the A330-200 which could reach Europe non-stop.
With a meaningful cargo payload, the A332 couldn't fly the route non-stop. So IMO they made the right choice, flying one-stop with the A333 and carrying the highest possible payload.
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23 Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2858 times:
It is now confirmed by Mr. Fernandes. Initially 10 aircraft with 5 options, but they plan to have 25 A330s over the next 5 years. Air Asia X will be renamed into Air Asia longhaul. First flight is planned for september 2007 with leased aircraft.
Slz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2816 times:
Good to see the A330 win another new customer and this time for the A330-300 version!
Interesting to see the first delivery is planned already (end of) next year.
Probably a consequence of the increased production on the A330/A340 line as recently announced by Airbus.
As a side note:
Looking at the aggressive approach Mr Fernandes takes towards expanding his airline(s), his pioneering spirit when it comes to revolutionizing aviation and his satisfaction with Airbus, I dare to say that if this long haul low cost concept really works as planned, Air Asia Longhaul can be tipped as a potential future buyer of the A380 by the end of the decade!
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2654 times:
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 20): As a side note:
Looking at the aggressive approach Mr Fernandes takes towards expanding his airline(s), his pioneering spirit when it comes to revolutionizing aviation and his satisfaction with Airbus, I dare to say that if this long haul low cost concept really works as planned, Air Asia Longhaul can be tipped as a potential future buyer of the A380 by the end of the decade!
..that might not be correct friend...the A333/B772 might be "the sweet spot" for this kind of travel...the B747 and A380 might be a bit "too much" airplane.....we'll know in a few years who's right and who's wrong...
Easyas321 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2654 times:
Quoting HUYfan (Reply 21): Manchester is looking like the first destination in Europe.
Hope OZ is on the radar !!!
Many Australians watching the dollars fly Royal Brunei to Europe (2 stops) & even Emirates out of BNE is 2 stops to Europe at present anyway, so backpacker market wouldn't give a rats, if 2 stops to Manchester or where ever in Europe,as long as cheap & they will have new aircraft. Might partially fill the roll that was envisaged for backpackersXpress a few years ago.
Slz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2592 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22): that might not be correct friend...the A333/B772 might be "the sweet spot" for this kind of travel...the B747 and A380 might be a bit "too much" airplane.....we'll know in a few years who's right and who's wrong...
Knowing the potential volume of this route and the fact nothing will beat the CASM of a high density seating A380-800, it isn't likely a successful and agressive low cost airline serving the kangaroo market would not be tempted into flying A380s on this route at simply unbeatable prices at some point...
If I were Airbus, once Air Asia Longhaul is a well established player on the market, I'd let them use an A380 for a year or so so they could test the water...
25 Jacobin777: ..You are making a rather large assumption there...there is a phenomena called "overcapacity" also...
26 Slz396: I am assuming a large bunch of the economy pax on legacy carriers who travel daily on the kangaroo route wouldn't mind seeing their ticket price slas
27 Thorben: Very strange that they went with the A330-300. That is hardly the plane to fly to Europe with, I don't think MS has done that often. The nominal range
28 Slz396: In my view, Air Asia Long haul will NOT be targeting Malaysians, but rather Europeans and Australians flying on the Europe-Australia route, so the si
29 9MMAR: Wrong. Malaysia is not a 'very poor country'. Have you been to our country before? Taken from CIA's factbook: "Malaysia, a middle-income country, tra
30 Lhstaralliance: Yea that´s right , Thailand , Indonesia , etc are far poorer then Malaysia ...
31 Levent: Malaysia is fast becoming the next key player in South East Asia, eager to compete with Singapore. They are way ahead of other countries such as Thail
32 Thorben: Can that be successful? With all the competition from EK, QR, EY, TG, MH, SQ, CX and all those others? UAE has $23,770. But EK is a different story,
33 HUYfan: Thorben, I don't think you really know what you're talking about, sorry. Regards Mike
34 Levent: While Thailand has 65 million inhabitants, the vast majority of them is very poor and will never be able to travel by airplane. I predict that touris
35 LurveBus: I somehow don't see that happening. Nothing can dispute the fact that Bangkok is the busiest hub in Southeast Asia, even busier than Singapore. The K
36 LifelinerOne: Well, I think availability on a rather short term (e.g. before 2010) has more to do with this than prices. Also operating A320's can make a transfer
37 Jacobin777: .....like I said...a big assumption..... ..you haven't added the EY's and QR's of the world...who wil certainly be adding the A380 to the Kangaroo Ro
38 A342: Yes, something like that. Maybe the pitch is 29 inches, but definitely 3-3-3 config.
39 Jacobin777: I would think that (along with price) would play a big part...
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