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Why Is ANA Taking Delivery Of New B763ER's?  
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4921 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8310 times:

Hey A.Netter's...

Just had a search on the Boeing site and noticed ANA is taking delivery of NEW B763ER's...? Why is ANA taking delivery of the B763ER type when they have placed a large order for the B787 which is entering service in 2008...?

EK413


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8272 times:
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Because they may need something smaller - the 763ER is about 20% smaller from a cabin floor area aspect.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8249 times:

arent they just freighters?


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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2956 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8195 times:

NH has taken delivered of all 763ER & 763ERFs.
The last 763ER was delivered last month.
Future 763Fs will come from conversion of its existing 763ERs, which the first one should start the conversion process in the fall. Not sure if the newer models are older models are involved.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 7993 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Because they may need something smaller - the 763ER is about 20% smaller from a cabin floor area aspect.

Yes, the floor space of the 787-8 is 20% bigger than the floor space of the 767-300ER. However, with standard 2-4-2 seating on the 787, and an equivalent F/C/Y distribution, the 787-8 seats roughly the same as the 767-300ER.
The whole point of the 787 is to offer more space per passenger.

ANA (and JAL) are taking delivery of new 767-300ERs because:
-they are cheap
-they get them delivered over a year earlier
-they can convert them to freighters once they no longer need them as passenger planes.


User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7793 times:

To add to Kaitak744's list:

-they have the type already
-their crews can fly them
-they need capacity now



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2956 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7685 times:

Add to the list:
Allows the 767-line to stay open; hence continued Japanese work involvement.

Anybody know if the USAF KC-767 deal goes through, what it will mean to the foreign supplied parts?
Will the Japanese-made fuselage parts instead be made in the US and I believe the Italians also have a good chunk for work too.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7427 times:
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Quoting Carpethead (Reply 6):
Anybody know if the USAF KC-767 deal goes through, what it will mean to the foreign supplied parts? Will the Japanese-made fuselage parts instead be made in the US and I believe the Italians also have a good chunk for work too.

I imagine all foreign suppliers will continue to be used. There may be some changes on the 767 production line, itself, to conform to ITAR, but that depends on how much of the military-specific conversion work is done at PAE vs. Wichita.


User currently offlineGihanjay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

Guys,

Got a question little bit off topic. What determines when it is time to convert a passenger to a freighter?

Thank X.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5553 times:
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Quoting Gihanjay (Reply 8):
Got a question little bit off topic. What determines when it is time to convert a passenger to a freighter?

When it makes more money carrying freight then people.  Smile


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4789 times:
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The good'ole 767 just refuses to die, even Lan Chile is buying more as freighters as did UPS when they cancelled their A380F order. Now the Pentagon is buying tankers, Boeing will be making 787 and 767 together for a few years.

User currently offlineDeltaJet757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

Doesn't this also have to do w/ the fact that ANA is trying to get rid of their remaining 747's? I remember a topic about ANA trying to get rid of their 747's. There was something in there that said that ANA is going for more frequency rather than capacity.

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On another note, it's good to hear that the 767 is still living strong (as it should). LONG LIVE THE 767!  airplane 

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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2956 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2862 times:

Quoting DeltaJet757 (Reply 11):
Doesn't this also have to do w/ the fact that ANA is trying to get rid of their remaining 747's

That job belongs to the 773ER.
The 763ERs are being primarily used to increase lift in the Japan-China market.
NH is also taking delivery of some A320s to allow some Japan-China routes that aren't daily to be operated daily. The displaced 763ERs are being used throughout the system including filling in on domestic routes too.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4921 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Quoting DeltaJet757 (Reply 11):
ANA trying to get rid of their 747's.

ANA is getting rid of the B744... The B773 is filling in its shoes... I personally just found it strange with B787 not far from role out airlines are still ordering B767...good to see such a beauty receiving large orders...

EK413



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25356 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 4):
However, with standard 2-4-2 seating on the 787, and an equivalent F/C/Y distribution, the 787-8 seats roughly the same as the 767-300ER. The whole point of the 787 is to offer more space per passenger.

If not mistaken, haven't most 787 customers chosen the 9-abreast option for their 787s? My guess is that very few 787s will operate with 8-abreast Y class seating.


User currently offlineFlyingClrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
If not mistaken, haven't most 787 customers chosen the 9-abreast option for their 787s? My guess is that very few 787s will operate with 8-abreast Y class seating.


I wouldn't be surprised if some airlines have 9 abreast in regular economy and 8 abreast in premium economy. There is a huge gap between the amenities of economy and business class on long haul flights. There's probably a significant market for people willing to pay a premium over economy fares for a little more space and comfort but not willing or able to pay for business of first class.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
If not mistaken, haven't most 787 customers chosen the 9-abreast option for their 787s? My guess is that very few 787s will operate with 8-abreast Y class seating.

No. People (and Airbus) are forgetting the point of the 787. It is to replace 767s, A300s, A310s, 757-300s, and A330-200s. Airlines will have seating accordingly. A few airlines, Jet Star for example (a low cost subsidiary of Qantas), will have 3-3-3 seating to cater to low yielding markets. Emirates will also be another with 3-3-3 seating. Some intra-Asian flights might also be with 3-3-3. I almost guarantee ALL long haul and medium haul flights will be in 2-4-2.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4921 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 13):
role out

Correction ROLL out...  blush 

EK413



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