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Horizon Buys 15 More Q400s, Will Drop Q200  
User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7104 times:

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/April2007/23/c8164.html

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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

I love the Q400 (my all-time fave a/c) and am glad to see more of them..but it is kind of a bummer to see the Q200 phased out. Pretty sweet little birds.  Sad

A couple of years ago, instead of flying SLC-SEA, I flew PIH-IDA-BOI-PDX-SEA for the fun of it. I flew all 3 QX a/c types and got to enjoy lots of the free beer.  Wink


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6982 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 1):
I love the Q400 (my all-time fave a/c) and am glad to see more of them..but it is kind of a bummer to see the Q200 phased out. Pretty sweet little birds.  

Well, I'm sure they will be flying for some airline. They have a lot of flying left in them.


User currently offlineCLEfan From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6880 times:

Might Commutair be interested in taking the rest of the Q200's?

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6854 times:

Quoting CLEfan (Reply 3):
Might Commutair be interested in taking the rest of the Q200's?

Most likely.

Good to see QX ordering more Dash 8's. Anyone on here staffed them?

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6854 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 1):
I love the Q400 (my all-time fave a/c) and am glad to see more of them..but it is kind of a bummer to see the Q200 phased out. Pretty sweet little birds. Sad

I too must agree that the Q200 is a darned sweet airplane to fly on. I still get the enjoyment of watching them come in and out everyday. The Q400 is also a sexy looking bird, so at least they are still keeping the DASH in the fleet. I am sure they will have a specail day dedicated to the retirement of the Q200.



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6811 times:

Took the Q400 (on Horizon) back in Feb of 2002 from SEA to YYC... damn comfortable aircraft and VERY quiet... the plane still had a "new plane" smell to it...VERY nice!! I found the interior to be very upscale and bright. I have been on every version of the Dash 8 (and also the Dash 7), and have been pleased with all. The Q series definitely makes all the difference in the world. Cudos to Horizon for continuing to build a great fleet with this aircraft!


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User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Slightly off topic but what's the difference between Q200s and Dash-8s? I often fly the latter on US Airways Express, the ride to me is the same as all the CRJs. The primary benefit to me is the flights are generally on time in and out of PHL since the turboprops use a different runway than the mainline jets.

[Edited 2007-04-23 20:46:56]

User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2675 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6575 times:
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Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 7):
Slightly off topic but what's the difference between Q200s and Dash-8s?

A Q200 is a Dash 8. Models are Q100/Q200/Q300/Q400. Confusion is maybe because the CRJ models are also 100/200.



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User currently offlineSBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6539 times:

If only more carriers would have them. Prop prejudice has so hurt these good aircraft. I really want to get on the Q400! I did get to see the prototype Q400 at ICT one time taxi by from the Bombardier/Learjet test facility ramp. Sweet!


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 7):

Bombardier changed the nomenclature to Qx00 instead of Dash 8-x00 when they started their noise dampening stuff. According to their own promos, the Q means Quiet. The type certificates are still Dash 8's though. It's all nomenclature. Any of them can/are called Dash 8s, but only relatively newer ones are considered Q's. US (Piedmont's) are NOT Q's to my knowledge.


User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

Intersting timing. The added QX capacity could also serve as an important leveraging tool
in the company/pilot negotiations at AS.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6442 times:

Is QX planning to cut frequency in some of the smaller markets then? For instance, I fly to PUW and LWS quite often, and would hope that the schedule wouldn't get cut any further. Currently there's only 3x flights a day to PUW, which never seem to have a very convenient schedule for me. I'm hoping that the use of larger aircraft won't cause frequencies to be further cut.

User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1837 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 12):
Currently there's only 3x flights a day to PUW

There's actually 4, which is about perfect for this market. My worry is that the city council won't allow Horizon to bring the Q400 here and we'll be stuck without service. QX petitioned them last year and the request was denied for anything larger than a Q200 to have scheduled service into PUW. They don't realize that larger doesn't always mean louder...


User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1962 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 10):
Any of them can/are called Dash 8s, but only relatively newer ones are considered Q's. US (Piedmont's) are NOT Q's to my knowledge.

On the 200s that Piedmont used to fly the NVS was deactivated.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 13):
There's actually 4, which is about perfect for this market. My worry is that the city council won't allow Horizon to bring the Q400 here and we'll be stuck without service. QX petitioned them last year and the request was denied for anything larger than a Q200 to have scheduled service into PUW. They don't realize that larger doesn't always mean louder...

Yeah, I do remember that the airport was recently certified for larger aircraft (like the M80 or 737), but we'll see if the Q400's can get in. I could have sworn I'd flown into PUW on one a few years ago, but maybe not.

I wish they could improve the schedule out of PUW. I very often have dinner meetings there around 6:30 or 7, and I'm always worried that the flight will be late and i'll miss my dinner (since the flight gets you in pullman right around 6). The flight before that leaves SEA around noon, so that's a lot of time to kill. I wish there was a flight leaving SEA around 3:00.


User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1837 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6293 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 15):
Yeah, I do remember that the airport was recently certified for larger aircraft (like the M80 or 737), but we'll see if the Q400's can get in. I could have sworn I'd flown into PUW on one a few years ago, but maybe not.

Yeah, larger aircraft can use the airport. The Idaho football team has chartered a Frontier A318 for their road games the past couple of years, for example. The sticking point with city council is what is allowed for regularly scheduled service. They don't mind an A318 every now and then, but last time they were asked (last year), they wouldn't allow a Q400 to be scheduled over the Q200.


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4650 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6268 times:

I remember (or maybe it's only hope) that the Q400 had a break-even point only a few seats above the Q200. (note: this is not a fact, unless someone remembers what I read  Wink) This would make it an excelent tool to introduce more seats on the existing timetable without too much risk.


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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6186 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 17):
I remember (or maybe it's only hope) that the Q400 had a break-even point only a few seats above the Q200. (note: this is not a fact, unless someone remembers what I read Wink) This would make it an excelent tool to introduce more seats on the existing timetable without too much risk.

I think that's the main reason QX is phasing out the Q200. The Q400 is so cheap to operate that they can essentially double capacity without increasing costs, as least as far as I understand it.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16691 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6103 times:

Quoting CLEfan (Reply 3):
Might Commutair be interested in taking the rest of the Q200's?

Hopefully they will replace whatever remaining Beech 1900s are operating out of CLE for CO, could some go to Florida to replace Gulfstreams Beech 1900s.



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User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

It is an embarassment to AC that they are not re-equipping Jazz with Q400's, especially where they compete with Horizon out of YVR. I believe Jazz still flys some of the oldest DH1's out there.

User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

Also they are cramming in more seats to the Q400, even though it has a low break even point...first it was 70 seats and then 74, and now 76. The headroom, however, is very good. It's definitely a nice aircraft, but personally I wouldn't want to fly on it for more than a 90 minute flight.

I guess QX will be operating the Q200s for CommutAir for a while, but otherwise is phasing them out?

[Edited 2007-04-24 01:48:52]

User currently offlineSanjet From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Quoting Multimark (Reply 20):
It is an embarassment to AC that they are not re-equipping Jazz with Q400's, especially where they compete with Horizon out of YVR. I believe Jazz still flys some of the oldest DH1's out there.

Is there really a need to replace the 37-50 seat dash-8 with 70 seat Q400's? The 100's are still flying strong with some of the best dispatch reliability and still great efficiency. I dont think they would be able to fill all those seats anyways in the canadian regional market.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

I'll miss the sound of the non-Q Dash 8's flying over every night at home (I live 25 miles south of PDX), and the sound of them on approach at work when the 28's are the active runways...  Sad


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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 5810 times:

It would be cool to see business class in these. 9 seats like crj-705 and 62 coach. Yes im dreaming i knoww. but still.


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25 AlexPorter : I could be wrong, but I thought the Q designation just meant that the aircraft had reduced noise inside the cabin for passengers. I don't think it ha
26 QXFLYINGCOUG : Wow this is pretty exciting news for my favorite airline! Too bad I'll be leaving Pullman now and I won't have the chance to watch them fly over my do
27 Tornado82 : Horizon operates those?! I thought Commutair bought them from Horizon.
28 Sea2Pdx : There will be frequency reductions in some markets where the Q400 will take over. Not necessarily a bad thing though. For example, SEA-BLI was 8 Q200s
29 Post contains links and images KELPkid : As I recall, this is why Bombardier re-designed the Q400 with six-bladed props: View Large View MediumPhoto © French Frogs AirSlides The origina
30 YVRLTN : There was a thread a few days ago about a rumor that Canadian North / Regional 1 were going to pick up some Q200's - I guess QX would be the most like
31 Bicoastal : Would love to have Skywest buy some Q400s for some of its UAX Embraer prop routes....SAN-LAX...among others during peak demand banks.
32 Pacifica : This is great news of Horizon! The Q400 is a nice upgrade over the Q200, and I'm sure alot of cities will be thankful for the improvement, although I'
33 GEG2RAP : They did fly the q400 in there, for holidays spring break etc. I rode one several times in college at U of I. I was actually at the meeting where the
34 Flypba : Commutair is leasing them from Horizon ... Horizon is not operating them as for PUW ... the issue IIRC has more to do with the fact that the aircraft
35 SkyyMaster : Let QX treat the city fathers to a flight or two on the Q400. Once they've been on one of those beauties, they should welcome them with open arms. It
36 CirrusDriver : So, what is the advantage of flying two types of aircraft with the same capacity?
37 FlyPBA : the Q400 is ideal for high-density, short-medium runs. the CRJ700 is ideal for low-density, medium-long runs. The Q400 excels on routes like SEA-GEG o
38 GoDIA : Has anyone heard any more on Frontier's plans to place some Q400s on short haul regional routes out of DEN? Any ideas what cities they might be used o
39 Post contains links Mariner : There's been a fair amount of discussion about it. Here's one thread: Frontier Aims To Unveil Lynx's Markets Next Month (by Laxintl Apr 13 2007 in Ci
40 KBFIspotter : It's a bummer to see the -200 going away... I have grown to love these planes over the last few weeks... I find them easy to work on from a MX stand p
41 EIPremier : I wasn't sure if it was a wet lease or a dry lease. So, it sounds like Horizon is just leasing the aircraft to CommutAir, but CommutAir is providing
42 KBFIspotter : QX is subleasing 16 -200's to CommutAir... The Flight are operated entirely bu CommutAir Kris
43 FlyPBA : I don't recall Horizon having any real problems with their fleet of Q400s
44 CRJpurser : From your post to Uncle Milton's ears. Some of our DHC-8s are 20 years old, and the interiors are showing their age. The 300s are newer, but they hav
45 Tornado82 : Excuse the ignorance, but what's 2009?
46 Doug_Or : MX and flight crew I've talked to were definately disapointed when it was new. They still poke fun at its reliabilty, not sure if its just a rep that
47 KBFIspotter : Reliability is still lacking in some areas... Some aircraft that are being delivered new are having some issues with some defects... Kris
48 CRJpurser : Sorry. 2009 is the year that all collective agreements of the 9 unions in the Air Canada family are up for negotiations. The two pilot groups ACPA/AL
49 Multimark : As has been pointed out, the Q400 costs little more than the Dash-8 200 to operate, so I imagine the gap between the 400 and the DH3 must be even sma
50 Aeronut : Bombardier really needs to upgrade the Q200 with new avionics. I mean the plane is a 20 year old design. Never-the-less, Q400's are what is selling we
51 Alias1024 : Doubtful. The QX fleet is supposed to actually shrink by a few aircraft in the next couple of years, so I don't think AS pilots have to worry about l
52 LHPDX : I hope PDX does not lose frequencies to current cities Horizon serves once all of the 200 are gone........Will we have to travel thru Seattle just to
53 Sea2Pdx : The only Oregon city that should really be concerned is PDT. LMT will be interesting. All of the others should retain service to PDX and possibly gai
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