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Where's The BTR-DEN Announcement?  
User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

I thought I read somewhere that BTR-DEN was supposed to be announced today, either by F9 (likely pick) or UA (a little less likely due to UA's operating at MSY). I've searched the BTR newspapers but I've found nothing yet.

I think F9 could very well make BTR work with two daily E70's. Maybe F9 decided not to bother with MSY since UA will have all three Ted flights up and running again by June....

UA would certainly throw in United Express CR2's or CR7's...and it would increase, albeit minimally, the carriers' prescence in the South, which has historically not been that great to begin with but has decreased even more over the past several years.

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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3734 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

I Googled it and didn't see a thing, either.

Maybe the airline that was going to serve it backed out at the last minute?



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25080 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
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Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
I thought I read somewhere that BTR-DEN was supposed to be announced today,

Today? I didn't read that. The original comment (I thought) was based on this:

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/7056932.html

"Baton Rouge already has committed $1 million toward incentives to lure a Denver carrier, with a deal that could be announced as soon as next week, said Anthony Marino, the aviation director at Metro Airport."

Which, I suspect, was a reporter jumping the gun to make his case.

Frontier first mentioned it nearly two years ago - post-Katrina, and we know they've been in discussions with BTR since then:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._m0CWU/is_2005_Sept_9/ai_n15380888

But the fleet seems to be going flat chat for the summer, so I'm not sure what aircraft they would use. Even it is Frontier, which is still a question mark.

mariner



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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

BTR may be a questionable market....if and when the incentives run out, I could see F9 or UA leaving the market.

Right after Katrina...in the weeks that followed...the BTR airport director was very happy to proclaim that BTR was going to be getting tons of new service and that airlines which used to fly to MSY (I remember TA being mentioned several times) would be flying from BTR instead on a permanent basis.

Indeed, DL did start BTR-DCA and LGA, as well as added mainline to ATL....now, all that's left is the DCA flight...no more LGA, and ATL is back to all RJ.

Continental added more mainline service to IAH as well as BTR-EWR service....BTR-EWR was discontinued, and IAH is back to a lone 735 as well as the seven or so ERJ's.

American added M80 service on BTR-DFW, BTR-STL nonstops, and BTR-ORD service....BTR-DFW is back to all RJ's, BTR-STL has been discontnued, and BTR-ORD is still hanging on wit a daily RJ.

The fact is MOST of the added/increased service from BTR has bene discontinued with MSY's recovery...indeed, most BTR passengers make the one hour drive to MSY to get more nonstop options and generally lower fares.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

UA has been doing quite a bit of expansion to some smaller markets from DEN as of late, so I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see them start DEN-BTR.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
...indeed, most BTR passengers make the one hour drive to MSY to get more nonstop options and generally lower fares.

By a considerable (if not overwhelming) margin as well.

BTR's airport commission estimates 3M annual O&D air pax for BTR, yet their airport only handles 800K.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25080 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2529 times:
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Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
indeed, most BTR passengers make the one hour drive to MSY to get more nonstop options and generally lower fares.

Which may be why BTR wants more options and lower fares?

We shall see. Since it is said to be DEN service, I assume it has to be either United or Frontier, and gosh, why not?

I can't see Frontier going back to MSY, especially given United's increased freqeuncy there.

mariner



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
especially given United's increased freqeuncy there.

part of which is due to the absence of nonstop Bay service. Be interesting to see what happens to DEN capacity if/when SFO returns.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25080 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
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Suppoaedly, BTR-DEN service is to be announced on Wednesday afternoon:

http://www.businessreport.com/newsDetail.cfm?aid=11407&cid=2

"Baton Rouge Metropolitan Airport has landed its first low-cost air carrier. An official announcement is set for Wednesday afternoon at the airport."

The airline is still not named.

mariner



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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

When was the last time United/Express opened up a new domestic station, not route but city?

Good for BTR in acquiring a new carrier, it's always good to see the midsized cities pick up a new carrier.


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

If its a low cost carrier, Its got to be F9.

-Copa


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5800 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 9):
When was the last time United/Express opened up a new domestic station, not route but city?

I can't think of the last time but next one is probably PMD-SFO on UAX starting in June. Palmdale as been airline free for a while.



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User currently offlineStapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 280 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

FATFlyer - What's the chance of this being Allegiant to LAS or SFB?

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting Stapleton (Reply 12):
FATFlyer - What's the chance of this being Allegiant to LAS or SFB?

I doubt anyone to SFB, as they have DLcnnx to MCO


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 9):
When was the last time United/Express opened up a new domestic station, not route but city?

Last February with the beginning of flights to Huntsville, AL with service from DEN. IAD service started earlier this month.

Kalispell, MT will be the next new UA domestic station starting this June with daily year-round service from DEN and summer seasonal weekend service from ORD.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25080 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2132 times:
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It hasn't been announced, but you can book it on Travelocity - DEN-BTR Frontier 2 x daily E170 - #4790 and #4792

 

mariner

[Edited 2007-04-25 11:42:19]


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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 11):
I can't think of the last time but next one is probably PMD-SFO on UAX starting in June. Palmdale as been airline free for a while.

That's right...thanks. I would like to see UA open up a few new Express cities and one of them is BTR (other is TOL of course  Wink ). I think they could easily start out 2x CRJ BTR-DEN and 2x CRJ to BTR-IAD and maybe add ORD later on down the road.

Congrats to BTR, Frontier is a real catch.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
It hasn't been announced, but you can book it on Travelocity - DEN-BTR Frontier 2 x daily E170 - #4790 and #4792

Great news! Nice to see them back in the area. Now it won't be too hard for me to fly them when I earn enough points on my F9 Mastercard for a free ticket....I'm not too far away.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

Quoting Stapleton (Reply 12):
What's the chance of this being Allegiant to LAS or SFB?

Havent Allegiant served BTR before, or was the service announced but never started?



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 18):
or was the service announced but never started?

They announced a package to lure them, and even identified them specifically... but then nothing became of it.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 19):
but then nothing became of it.

Allegiant cited low advance bookings as the reason why they never intiated service to BTR.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25080 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1978 times:
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It's official:

http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_...mt-115p2938&feed=cmt&date=20070425

"Frontier Airlines (FRNT) today announced it will launch non-stop service between its Denver International Airport (DEN) hub and Baton Rouge Metropolitan Airport (BTR)."

mariner



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 20):

Allegiant cited low advance bookings as the reason why they never intiated service to BTR.

...which is what I "fear" will befall this flight soon as the subsidies wear off.

If not though, power to 'em. This is BTR's first new carrier since US to CLT circa 2001.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 22):
...which is what I "fear" will befall this flight soon as the subsidies wear off

That could be. I know they are going for the underserved market, but long term success would be easier to find about 70 miles down I-10. We shall see.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 22):
This is BTR's first new carrier since US to CLT circa 2001.

That's when the USAir Express / Air Midwest flights from BTR to MLU and MSY came to an end.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 23):
That's when the USAir Express / Air Midwest flights from BTR to MLU and MSY came to an end.

They were ended quite a while before that.


25 Mariner : A choice between DEN-MSY - with United going to 3 x daily - and DEN-BTR - with no competing service? Not unlike the choice between DEN-FAT - with str
26 ConcordeBoy : ......which also can be viewd as: A choice between 8million O&D with three flights, or 0.8million O&D with zero?
27 Mariner : That is also true. But hey - there's 8 million O&D on MSY-DEN alone? Wow. mariner
28 MSYtristar : Well I was really talking about the fact that the greater New Orleans area is still the hub for the majority of the business and leisure traffic dest
29 Post contains images Mariner : That may be true. Even so, MSY has good service from DEN and BTR doesn't, and if we talk about connecting opportunites to the west, BTR is quite poor
30 Post contains images MSYtristar : Very much so. Just CO via IAH and AA via DFW as far as direct routings go. Well, ConcordeBoy lives there, and i'm sure he can vouch for that.
31 Sldispatcher : Slightly off topic...but was hoping that SHV might score F9 before this is all over with..maybe Lynx?
32 Tripleboom : $99 OW is the promotion to start the service, along with the usual double Early Returns miles. Another spoke for F9 with two daily ERJ flight to and f
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