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Brussels Hub & London HQ For 9W?  
User currently offlineJlk From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 184 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5598 times:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...for_HQ_hub/articleshow/1940534.cms

If the airline changes its HQ to a city outside India, does it still get designated as an Indian airline?

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User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

Very interesting and welcome move for BRU. It's a lovely modern airport these days and should work well.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4924 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

Quoting Jlk (Thread starter):
does it still get designated as an Indian airline?

I think nationality of an airline is based on its ownership. For example, if US investors bought more than 50% of BA, it would become a US airline and not a British airline, despite its name and British HQ



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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

Quoting Jlk (Thread starter):
If the airline changes its HQ to a city outside India, does it still get designated as an Indian airline?

Yes. Jet Airways must be majority Indian owned (shares) for it to be a designated Indian airlines. Where the HQ is doesn't really matter. For example, if Barclays bid for ABN-Amro is successful, the combined company will be British, regulated from Britain and pay tax in Britain. The HQ, however, will be in Amsterdam!


I have just read the article and it is very interesting:

"The Belgian government, it seems, was delighted at the prospect of an airline setting up its operational base in the city and agreed to form a new entity, in association with Jet Air."

Is this "new entity" a new airline that is owned jointly by Jet Airways and the Belgian Government/investors? If so I think it is an excellent move by 9W...Jet may be able to give the likes of AF-KL, LH and BA a run for their money/


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

YUp just read it myself....very interesting...seems like 9W management was getting frustrated by the indian airport infrastructure etc.

I think its a good move as well...I won't be surprised if 9W will eventually be awarded the best airline in the very near future, too bad for India, it shows that the GOI does not really care about the private airlines, oh wit, they can barely keep IC and AI going...



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User currently offlineAarbee From India, joined Aug 2005, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5137 times:

Quoting Jlk (Thread starter):
If the airline changes its HQ to a city outside India, does it still get designated as an Indian airline?

This is interesting. Apart from is it a good business decision to move far from where your customer base is?



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5086 times:

I doubt if Jet Airways will leave domestic Indian operations to its low cost subsidiary JetLite as the article suggests.

The Indian corporate market still favors full service carriers, and I doubt if this preference will change substantially in the next 10 years.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

Quoting Aarbee (Reply 5):
This is interesting. Apart from is it a good business decision to move far from where your customer base is?



Quoting Jlk (Thread starter):
If the airline changes its HQ to a city outside India, does it still get designated as an Indian airline?

While the ToI article says a lot about the move to make BRU a major hub for their US services, the London HQ story seems to be mentioned only in passing, with no elaboration whatsoever......maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but I doubt if Naresh Goyal and Co. would just pack their bags and shift overnight to London....most probably, this is another classic misinterpretation by an excited journalist (we see many such cases in Indian media)....

9W probably would have announced setting up some major office in London to coordinate their activities in those markets and move towards becoming a global airline....a complete shift of HQ is doubtful....BOM and other airports certainly lack infrastructure, which is 9W's main grouse...thus the shift to BRU as a hub....but I don't think there is sufficient reason for them to shift their HQ away from their home market.....but again, it's just me and my wishful thinking.... smile 


User currently offlineJlk From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4957 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 7):
most probably, this is another classic misinterpretation by an excited journalist

I wouldn't disagree. As you said, there could be some significant operational control getting established in London, but shifting HQ seems an interpretation.

Can we expect a similar hub in Shanghai for the pacific route flights?


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1739 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

In today's NY Times, there was a brief paragraph stating, that Jet would be starting service from DEL-JFK via BRU. The article stated this service would start In August. Is this a mistake, IIRC, 9W is suppposed to start BOM-EWR via BRU this August. Change of plans?


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

From the article,

The Belgian government, it seems, was delighted at the prospect of an airline setting up its operational base in the city and agreed to form a new entity, in association with Jet Air.

While it is not known how much equity the Belgian government and Jet will hold in it, the explicit purpose of this new entity will be to upgrade Brussels Airport into one that can function as a global airline hub.

The funds that will be needed for this upgrade will come from the Belgian government. Goyal declined to talk on the details of the investments and what kind of upgrades will be made at the airport. "That is for the Belgian Prime Minister to talk about," he said. "And he will in a few days."

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BRU airport has a lot more capacity then is currently used. I can't think of any upgrades needed to satisfy the need of the 4 daily flights that are planned to stop at BRU. Does anyone have any idea what upgrades Mr. Verhofstadt will announce?


Perhaps a bit far fetched for now, but I could think of one potential upgrade that BRU could use.
Jet Airways might be a potential A380 customer (remember Airbus being in talks with 2 Indian carriers about the A380) and might plan to fly those on routes to North America via BRU. Will Mr. Verhofstadt announce A380 capable gates being build at BRU?  bouncy 



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
Will Mr. Verhofstadt announce A380 capable gates being build at BRU?

I don't think that one needs a prime minister to announce a couple of A380 capable gates. I believe that this announcement might be much more fundamental. If 9W is indeed planning to make BRU a veritable hub, then just 4 daily flights would be a little on the meager side. It is likely that the hub function will involve more than just the BRU-North America and BRU-India flights. I am thinking it terms of European feed, either in partnership with SN or by 9W itself.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
I am thinking it terms of European feed, either in partnership with SN or by 9W itself.

Interesting thoughts but if not in partnership with SN I doubt that will go down very well with the Belgian industrialists and bankers that have invested in SN at Mr. Verhofstadt's request IIRC. But BRU wouldn't really need any upgrades for either of these scenario's. The capacity at the A pier, where most of these flights would probably leave from, is huge compared to the use of it.

As far as Mr. Verhofstadt announcing 9W's intentions and with that probably employment, with the elections coming up, it's always good to bring good news to the airport community that has been suffering for years now.

Jet Airways will also start a cargo airline. Perhaps 9W, just as SQ and SV, will use BRU as their European cargo hub?



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 4484 times:
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I can't wait to see the outcomes of May 2nd's ceremony.

This will probably be the extra kick that BRU has needed for yeras now.

Two 77Ws and two 332s at the same time in BRU...  goodvibes 


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User currently offlineFlying lsd From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

Everybody in Belgium knows that Brussels airlines will be sale in the future, thats written in their business plan.
Why Jet airways don't buy it, they will have directly a lot of connection thru Europe.?

After Air Sahara? why not a Jet Airways Europe?


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

Quoting Flying lsd (Reply 14):
Everybody in Belgium knows that Brussels airlines will be sale in the future, thats written in their business plan.
Why Jet airways don't buy it, they will have directly a lot of connection thru Europe.?

After Air Sahara? why not a Jet Airways Europe?

Sounds interesting...could happen, considering Indian companies are on a buying spree overseas.....anything could happen.... Big grin


User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Might be interesting to see a big long-haul boost in Brussels.

And who knows, a partnership might be in the works between SN and Jet Airways. SN can operate a European feeder network (as they are already doing now for their African network) and might use its experience to help Jet Airways set up operations in Africa.

[Edited 2007-04-26 22:22:49]

[Edited 2007-04-26 22:23:10]


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User currently offlineAarbee From India, joined Aug 2005, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 9):
In today's NY Times, there was a brief paragraph stating, that Jet would be starting service from DEL-JFK via BRU. The article stated this service would start In August. Is this a mistake, IIRC, 9W is suppposed to start BOM-EWR via BRU this August.

If it would be the it will be DEL-EWR via BRU (change of planes). I think the flights BOM-BUR-EWR will be aligned with DEL-BRU-YYZ so that passengers can connect in BRU.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4187 times:
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Spotting wise (and subject to changeS !!) the 9W A332 should arrive on april 28th in BRU and the 77W on may 1st direct from PAE.

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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

A head od today's Jet Airways' announcement I came across this article.

Jet Airways intends to operate from 6  Wow! Indian cities via BRU to North America. If these are all intended to be daily flights that would mean 12 flights a day into BRU. As predicted by HB-IWC Jet Airways might also operate flights to other European destinations from BRU.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...05/02/stories/2007050201080700.htm

New Delhi May 1 Jet Airways, which is to launch its European hub in Brussels on Wednesday, plans to operate flights in a phased manner from six Indian cities to Brussels and onwards to destinations in the US and Europe.

"The airline plans to connect Delhi, Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Hyderabad and Kolkata to Brussels and onwards. The start of these flights will coincide with the delivery of the new aircraft that the airline has ordered. The airline will also look at operating flights to other destinations in Europe from Brussels," sources told Business Line.



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User currently offlineAarbee From India, joined Aug 2005, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 18):
"The airline plans to connect Delhi, Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Hyderabad and Kolkata to Brussels and onwards. The start of these flights will coincide with the delivery of the new aircraft that the airline has ordered. The airline will also look at operating flights to other destinations in Europe from Brussels," sources told Business Line.

Your's truly keenly anticipating AMD-BRU-US connections.  Smile



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User currently offlineJlk From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

That doesn't necessarily mean non-stop from all these cities to BRU. It could be BLR-DEL-BRU or HYD-BOM-BRU. I wonder why they left MAA out of their plans.

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

Quoting Jlk (Reply 21):
That doesn't necessarily mean non-stop from all these cities to BRU. It could be BLR-DEL-BRU or HYD-BOM-BRU. I wonder why they left MAA out of their plans.

While you may have a valid point there, but unfortunately transit at BOM/DEL is the biggest deterrent to anyone from BLR or HYD or MAA in the first place. And it's possible 9W have already felt that (lack of domestic feed) on it's current flights ex-DEL and BOM. So I hope that the plan is to actually have non-stops from southern cities rather than one-stops via BOM/DEL



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User currently offlineAI From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 13):
I can't wait to see the outcomes of May 2nd's ceremony.

So did we have a ceremony at BRU today ? & if so what actually was announced at this ceremony ?

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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting AI (Reply 23):
So did we have a ceremony at BRU today ? & if so what actually was announced at this ceremony ?

Also, did the 777-300ER (VT-JEA) make it to BRU for the ceremony as was reportedly planned?

The aircraft was delivered to 9W on Monday, but there seems to be no record of her leaving PAE on Flightaware.



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[Edited 2007-05-02 21:07:00]


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25 Aad665 : Hi, What is the impact for SN Brussel? partnership? feeder? Thanks, aad665
26 Sshank : While that is certainly true that no one in their senses will want to transit at BOM today, in a couple of years BOM will likely have an usable airpor
27 Post contains images Bwest : The outcome of todays announcements: BRU will become the European hub for Jet Airways From august the following destinations will be served: Mumbai-Br
28 Bwest : Some more info: * As of August 5 (startup of their operations in BRU), 9W will codeshare on the following SN flights: Stockholm, Oslo, Birmingham, Gen
29 Post contains links and images Avro85 : Yes VT-JEA was in Brussels. It arrived on time on the evening before the event. Here two pictures I took of the aircraft: Waiting for them to be scre
30 WestWing : Thanks for the confirmation and thanks for sharing the photographs!
31 Post contains images Flying Belgian : Excellent pictures Avro !!! Really nice capture with the last ray of light, I know it hasn't been easy to catch the "beast" To all others: Just a ques
32 Bwest : Maybe just because these companies already fly there and took a large share of the market? While BRU's connections to the rest of the world are not t
33 Karan69 : In addition to what Bwest said above with your query i would like to put my input, The 772ER has to undergo a lot of payload limits on these sectors?
34 Manni : Curious to know how much kerosene a 77W would use on a direct flight from BOM to EWR vs the 2 flights from BOM to EWR via BRU. Assuming the same paylo
35 777captain : Any word on a pilot & fa base in bru?
36 Flying Belgian : If they go on with their "10 flights a day" project in BRU, they will be obliged to have a crew base in BRU from an operations point of view. But not
37 Post contains images Avro85 : Merci Indeed it was difficult to catch the plane as the view is very restricted for 07R spottings.. Luckily front park 3 exists again Cheers mate, Ch
38 InitRef : Not sure about FA base, but for flightcrew, Jet is doing an EU hub. Essentially they will consider your base to be your nearest Intl airport in the E
39 777captain : InitRef, Thanks for the info...any more let me know. cheers
40 Stirling : I always wondered why Jet Airways was so generic...meaning; looking at those pictures, no one would be able to guess the airline was from India. Now i
41 Post contains links Jlk : I guess you are aware that 9W is planning to start BOM-SFO through Shanghai. http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2007/apr/18jetkf.htm Jet Airways Executiv
42 Post contains links Ka : And here are some pictures of the new interior taken at the BRU presentation (text in German only): http://www.cubomedia.com/feature/jetairways/ KA.
43 Aarbee : forget BLR/HYD/MAA (At least U folks have a decent US connection via Europe or Dubai. Even from AMD, it's a pain.
44 BlueFlyer : In addition to shareholdings, it also depends on how you define HQ. The world is full of companies big and small with the majority of their executive
45 Scorpio : There are already plans to expand the cargo facilities: the Brucargo facilities and aprons will be extended to the west. From what I've heard (very p
46 BlueFlyer : Haven't been to that side of the airport in a few years. Are they going to simply take over the parking lot, or will they expand over and beyond the
47 Scorpio : From what I've heard, plans are to expand it all the way to the highway, so well beyond the service road. I believe the service road has already been
48 Jaysit : Well, finally Belgians will have a top notch superb carrier for non-stop flights to the US. Sabena in its dying years wasn't much to write home about,
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