Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 27680 posts, RR: 50 Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17506 times:
Delta hasn't begun a campaign to fill the gap between its 76-seat regional jets and 142-seat MD-80s, but its business plan calls for 25 small-gauge narrowbodies by 2010.
The carrier is taking on 15 124-seat Boeing 737-700s, but Chief Operating Officer Jim Whitehurst recently said those aircraft are targeted for very specific performance-limited airports, citing Vail, Mexico City and some islands in the Caribbean, where the carrier currently has to fly 757s and would like to have fewer seats or operate additional frequencies.
The 737-700s slated for the targeted markets aren't viewed as small-gauge, narrowbody aircraft. Whitehurst explained that for markets such as Atlanta-Knoxville or -Buffalo, Delta does have a gap between 76-seats and 142-seats, and "we will look at all the alternatives out there to close that gap."
Delta will also likely need to make a widebody replacement decision within 12 months. Whitehurst pointed out the airline probably won't need new aircraft until 2011 or 2012 -- the point Delta where will have exhausted its move of widebody aircraft from domestic to international service. At that time, Delta will need replacement of some of its older 767s, as well as additional growth.
Delta is stretching the 767s "as far as we can," Whitehurst said, explaining the carrier is putting a horizontal crew rest on a subfleet of the 767s, so they are capable of flying them longer than 12 hours. That capability allowed Delta to announce its Atlanta-Lagos and JFK-Tel Aviv routes. Whitehurst said the 767's mission is about 13 hours, and the 787 would supply an additional mission capability that Delta does not have today, and that's something the carrier would be interested in, assuming it selects the 787.
Norcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1458 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17363 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter): Whitehurst said the 767's mission is about 13 hours, and the 787 would supply an additional mission capability that Delta does not have today, and that's something the carrier would be interested in, assuming it selects the 787.
I can already see the headlines; 'Delta has shunned the company that made the 764's specifically for them and chosen the now popular A350'.
AirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17154 times:
Quoting Okie73 (Reply 2): Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
The carrier is taking on 15 124-seat Boeing 737-700s,
interesting. Last I heard, the order for 737-700s was only for ten aircraft.
That's what I thought too. I think they should order more 73G's to replace their MD-88's. Or replace the M88's when the 737RS comes out. Since 3x 73G's almost equals 2x 757's, a fleet of the 737's could give more frequency to many markets and free up 757's for use elsewhere.
Da man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 16571 times:
There are some rumblings that DL will acquire more examples of the MD-90 on the second-hand market in another thread here that must be considered credible considering the need for narrowbodies that DL has.
AASuper80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15349 times:
Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 5): I think they should order more 73G's to replace their MD-88's. Or replace the M88's when the 737RS comes out. Since 3x 73G's almost equals 2x 757's, a fleet of the 737's could give more frequency to many markets and free up 757's for use elsewhere.
Why? There is nothing wrong with their md88's, they're great shape, and newer than some of the other metal in their fleet! The md80 is a great aircraft, with a great safety record, and is very dependable, I'm not sure why so many people want them gone?
United319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15234 times:
Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 16): Why? There is nothing wrong with their md88's, they're great shape, and newer than some of the other metal in their fleet! The md80 is a great aircraft, with a great safety record, and is very dependable, I'm not sure why so many people want them gone?
I second that one, I just flew DL a couple of weeks ago for the first time since 2003. I was on 2MD88s, 1CR7, and 1738. The MD-88s were extremely comfortable boasting the new leather seats, extended overhead bins, hardwood floor panelling in the LAV. They are much nicer than any of the other MD-80s around (cough, cough AA)
Okie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14512 times:
Quoting DL777Dude (Reply 18): While in the subject of Delta and ordering planes, do you think that we will be seeing some orders announce next week when they exit bankruptcy protection?
I think you will hear some orders very soon after exiting BK, but I doubt it will be next week. Within a month or two would be my guess. I think the first thing you will hear, before aircraft orders, will be the sale of Comair.
Jayspilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13813 times:
As said earlier in the thread, I second the belief that the E-Jets are the only airplane that is a true solution for Delta. I predict 25 orders for the E-195 by Labor Day for delivery starting in Late Spring 2008 with a 2 class layout in the 98-105 seat range.
My reasoning for this is:
737-600 is to heavy and has to high operating costs for this market size.
A-318 also to heavy and to high operating costs
CRJ-1000 is just a little smaller for 2 class layout.
C-series won't exist for 3-5 years and they need an A/c in the 18 month timeframe.
: Bingo. Looks like somebody at DL dropped the ball on fleet planning a bit. Now they only have the CRJ 900 or the E jets to choose from...I dont see t
: No, they shouldn't. The 736 lacks the range, is too heavy, and the 73G can operate the same missions with better performance and almost identical ope
: What city groups would you see these aircraft used for? What hubs will see the biggest share of their use? I don't think they'll be used to enhance f
: DL needs the a/c quicker than Bombardier could deliver a new a/c. The 900's are already being rolled into DL Conx as we write. I would bet there will
: - the 736 will not live in Delta's fleet. the airplane is too much beef for a half vegetarian. - the 73G will be an interim solution to help fill the
: So I have to wonder, how much is fleet commonality going into DLs fleet decisions? DL went through a pretty large effort to retire airplanes not only
: As they transition to new fleets, there will always be interim "messes" g
: AA isn't in BK...they can't afford all that stuff! LOL
: I'm no A&P, but most all of the Alerts we have here at ATL are either mad dogs or CRJ's. I would say 2 a week are MD's with hydraulic problems. The l
: I think when delta made the post for 4 Mainline aircraft they were hoping (wishfull thinking) that the E-175-195's would be given to DL connection . T
: People are probably bored with flying on MD-88s all the time...DL has so many that your chances of getting on one are high. The routes I fly usually
: curious why you think Delta will go with the 195 instead of the 190? Sounds like Delta wants a 100 seat aircraft and its my understanding that USAir
: On the wide body side do you think Delta will order any 777-300ER'S ?
: Nope 99. F11 Y88. The E190 would make a good DL plane for what DL wants. MCOflyer
: I couldn't agree with you more! I think the philosophy and tradition of seeking Douglas Aircraft first is what put DL on the road to BK. The MD-
: Don't forget that DL has a substantial 732 fleet that filled that roll (sub 140 seats) for many years. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1085823/L/ D