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User currently offlineIflyKPDX From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

SEATTLE, April 23, 2007 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] named Randy Tinseth vice president, Marketing, for Boeing Commercial Airplanes. Tinseth will be responsible for marketing Commercial Airplanes' entire family of products and services through a wide range of activities, such as understanding market requirements, contributing to Commercial Airplane's planning and product development, supporting market positioning and sales activities, as well as hosting the Commercial Airplanes blog, "Randy's Journal." The position reports to Mike Cave, vice president, Business Strategy and Marketing.


http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q2/070423d_nr.html

Horray for confusion! Good luck to him!


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User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting IflyKPDX (Thread starter):
as well as hosting the Commercial Airplanes blog, "Randy's Journal." The position reports to Mike Cave, vice president, Business Strategy and Marketing.

Anyone who doesn't think that Boeing isn't caring what's out there on the net in the airline world, and specifically on A.net (which the old Randy cited often) should take note of this.

Hate to see Randy go. He had class and professionalism and never (okay, rarely) got into the mud fighting that so often characterize the international sales department of large airline manufacturers. He also pushed the boundaries of transparency letting us see the same material the big boys do on products.


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

One thing I liked about "old" Randy was that I could take what he said as 100% true, then see what conditions its true under to get a bigger picture. The big mouth at Airbus, I have to check if he is talking out of his... er... "donkey" first. Then I have to check to see if its just a complete fabrication. Then I have to check to see if its a completely non-valid comparison. Finally I can see what angle he is playing.

I hope the "new" Randy will have the same level of not... honesty as it were... but at least "not lying" that many (most?) in marketing never manage. I also look forward to seeing more of an engineering bent to the blog given the background of the new master of the blog.


User currently offlineSphealey From United States of America, joined May 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3803 times:

Randy the First has a post up on his blog which is quite funny:

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2007/04/whats_in_a_name.html

"Simplified Blog Transition Strategy"!

sPh


User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3785 times:

Yea really, I guess it'll still be called Randy's blog eh?

User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3722 times:

Quoting IflyKPDX (Thread starter):
XT6Wagon From United States, joined Feb 2007, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted Tue Apr 24 2007 00:20:52 your local time (9 hours 14 minutes 10 secs ago) and read 321 times:


One thing I liked about "old" Randy was that I could take what he said as 100% true, then see what conditions its true under to get a bigger picture. The big mouth at Airbus, I have to check if he is talking out of his... er... "donkey" first. Then I have to check to see if its just a complete fabrication. Then I have to check to see if its a completely non-valid comparison. Finally I can see what angle he is playing

More than 100% agreed !! Randy No.1 surly had to restrain himself not to express publicly his opinion regarding the often aotrageous statements of his counterpart !!
But of course, the AIRBUS guy does what he does because his selling efforts are continuous hampered
by the inefficiency resulting from the structural problems of AIRBUS (and his parent) and he was quite
succesful for a good while. And this success in turn helped that BOEING, which had its own very
serious problems, saw the light and entered the right path !

But obviously, as always in business, finally the AIrbus facts are surfacing !

cordially

aminobwana


User currently offlineCruzinAltitude From United States of America, joined May 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3615 times:

I have to give a tip of the hat to Boeing for being a major corporate entity that has a sense of humor. So often corporations forget that people like to laugh. The "Simplified Blog Transition Strategy," is out right funny. I could type lol and actually mean it.

It will be interesting to see how the new Randy stacks up to the old Randy. I've always felt that Randy #1 had a lot of integrity, and I hope that continues.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

We will surely miss Randy Baseler. He provided interesting & provocating content fresh from the line, combined with a friendly personal tough.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 2):
One thing I liked about "old" Randy was that I could take what he said as 100% true, then see what conditions its true under to get a bigger picture.

Randy didn´t lie, his trick was more about what he left out / selected as numbers to include. A bit of apples & oranges, producing "reveiling pictures" etc. Recently most of his pictures were taken from Boeing.com, ashame.

Ok one expample (copied onto another site):
http://www.lomag-man.org/hubdetransport/imageshubaero/airbus-boeing-rangs-avions_on_time_arrival_lg.jpg

This picture suggest an enormous gab (look at the crunched airbusses at the bottom  Wink ), if one draws horizontal lines it looks like the 773 is much bigger then the A346. The Boeing types are nicely vertically distributed.

The seatcount difference between 747-8 & A380 is only about a 100 seats (blindy copied by 90% of the press) doing magic for the following CASM comparisons. The market for aircraft bigger than 450 seat is just 300 (picture from merely more then a yr ago..).

General message : Airbus is responding to Boeing strategy (shortly before streching the 747-8 & ignoring the 787-10 I guess..)

others:

** "forgetting" to include range  Silly http://www.planenation.com/wp-conten...06/scales_comparison_ip%5B1%5D.jpg His next blog reacted to an a.net discussion about this.

** "forgetting" to include the hot selling A330 just last week: http://boeingblogs.com/randy/images/Market_timing.ip.jpg



He said what many wanted to hear  Wink & challenging good readers to look through his creativity.

I guess we will all miss him for his providing ammunition to the hot discussions on this forum. He seems to have had a good time at Boeing he proved good "value for the money" for them, may he have a long & happy live after his retirement!



User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 7):
We will surely miss Randy Baseler. He provided interesting & provocating content fresh from the line, combined with a friendly personal tough.

Well said! We will miss arguing about his comments here on A.Net. smile 

Quoting Keesje (Reply 7):
This picture suggest an enormous gab (look at the crunched airbusses at the bottom ), if one draws horizontal lines it looks like the 773 is much bigger then the A346. The Boeing types are nicely vertically distributed.

To be fair, Keesje, I doubt that Randy prepared these diagrams himself. I'd expect to see pretty much the same graphical "spin" in future, and of course everyone in every industry who is serious about selling their product does very much the same thing. yes 



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User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 7):
This picture suggest an enormous gab (look at the crunched airbusses at the bottom ), if one draws horizontal lines it looks like the 773 is much bigger then the A346. The Boeing types are nicely vertically distributed.

Might note that the "300 seat" line between markets is why the A340-600 is down there since the numbers they use place the rest of the A340 line below 300 and the A340-600 above it. But like I said, Its true just got to look at the angle.

Oh and keep riding "the 100 seat gap isn't real its higher than that" hobby horse, its good for a laugh or two. Never have I seen so much cheerleading for wasting space as you post on this topic.


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