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VS Selects The 787  
User currently offlineN1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 560 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 27139 times:

Talked about and speculated, the order for up to 24 787 will be announced today. So long "4 engines"

- n1786b

http://online.wsj.com/preview_login....rticle%2FSB117738339312180057.html


Virgin Atlantic to Take Flight With Boeing's 787s
By J. Lynn Lunsford and Rod Stone

Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd. has agreed to purchase as many as 24 of Boeing Co.'s 787 Dreamliners, according to people close to the matter, as part of a larger strategy to keep the airline competitive on Atlantic routes while addressing concerns about greenhouse-gas emissions.

The deal would be worth as much as $3.6 billion at list prices, though customers typically negotiate discounts on large purchases. The orders, expected to be announced in Chicago this morning, were previously booked on Boeing's Web site, but it didn't identify the buyer.

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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 27139 times:

...wow.....congrats to VS on the deal....looks like SRB took a pitstop to Boeing HQ when he arrived today!

congrats to Boeing and VS...



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 27035 times:

The final nail in the beyond-ridiculous 4engines nonsense.

Very nice.


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 27036 times:

In the end there was only ever one choice.


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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4865 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26989 times:

Another notch in the belt for Boeing


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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26988 times:

Oh no, now they have to deal with ETOPS and other such things! There's no way it will ever work!  Wink

Actually, this is exciting news since the smaller capacity of the 787 along with new Open Skies rules may allow Virgin to expand to more cities in the United States. Good to hear! What kind of 787 variant are they getting - does anyone know yet?


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26988 times:

I noticed that the WSJ's article specifically poked fun at the "4 engines 4 long-haul" slogan...


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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2660 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26952 times:

This is great news and the final death of the "4 long haul 4 engines" concept. Great day for VS and boeing and the first major airline in the Europe to order this a/c.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33288 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26915 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 5):

Actually, this is exciting news since the smaller capacity of the 787 along with new Open Skies rules may allow Virgin to expand to more cities in the United States. Good to hear! What kind of 787 variant are they getting - does anyone know yet?

I'm very hesitant to think this will lead to expansion in the US. Virgin runs on a very strict O&D network with the only major exception being carrying US<->India traffic. This isn't going to change. The 787s, IMO, will be better used to build up Asia and Africa. I could see them add a US/Canadian city or two, but nothing huge. Just my opinion though, they could very well lean toward changing their business model, but the fact they don't fly short-haul kind of eliminates that option.



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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26915 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 6):
I noticed that the WSJ's article specifically poked fun at the "4 engines 4 long-haul" slogan...

Well technically they did quit using that slogan a year or three ago, so that probably hinted at this order, or the potential for some sort of other widebody twin jet in the future.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4851 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26866 times:

well there goes my prediction for an A 350 order lol...I would bet on the initial models being the -900 version with a purchase clause option to buy the larger -100X model when and if Boeing decides on making it.

User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26867 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
I'm very hesitant to think this will lead to expansion in the US.

Well, if anything the 787 is smaller than the A343 (I think - correct me if I'm wrong) so that may allow them to be profitable in a couple more cities anyway, where the A343 is too big for O&D traffic.

[Edited 2007-04-24 07:02:16]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26867 times:

15 orders + 9 options I assume?

Who has a link to modified 787 photo in VS's new scheme?



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User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26835 times:

Congrats to Boeing and VS if it turns out to be true! They say the order was already booked on the Boeing website, but is there a UFO order for 24 787s that was booked in one time or could it be that the 30 orders are for VS and it is not 24 ,but a 30 plane order?


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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26835 times:

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 13):
could it be that the 30 orders are for VS and it is not 24 ,but a 30 plane order?

It could be 24 for Virgin Atlantic with 6 remaining unidentified.


User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26835 times:

Good for Boeing and VS....Airbus will be feeling fairly nervous about it. Further proof the 787 project is a winner!


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26790 times:

Awesome.

Hopefully Virgin will grace The Bahamas again, now that they will be getting the proper equipment to do so  checkmark   bouncy 



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26789 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
but the fact they don't fly short-haul kind of eliminates that option.

...or do some'n along the lines of finally formalizing/expanding a non-merger tieup with BD, as a mutual offensive.


User currently offline2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26699 times:

This has been a poorly kept secret for quite a while now after a VS insider announced an order for some Dreamy Twins was imminent a few weeks ago.
Big inroads into another mainly Airbus customer. Wonder what this order will do to delayed 346/380 orders, that I predict will end up as cancelled Wink


User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26671 times:

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 13):
Congrats to Boeing and VS if it turns out to be true! They say the order was already booked on the Boeing website, but is there a UFO order for 24 787s that was booked in one time or could it be that the 30 orders are for VS and it is not 24 ,but a 30 plane order?

I think we can put the DL rumour to bed once and "4" all.  Smile

This is what they call a "BIG" win...

-iwok


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26671 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 10):
well there goes my prediction for an A 350 order lol...I would bet on the initial models being the -900 version with a purchase clause option to buy the larger -100X model when and if Boeing decides on making it.

Are you using the same information to place this bet that caused you to predict an order for the A350?



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26609 times:

Quoting Iwok (Reply 19):

I think we can put the DL rumour to bed once and "4" all.

There's two big 787 UFO orders, only one of which we have now identified. DL could be the other. Of course, so could AA. I believe this VS order is 15+9 as someone stated above, leaving the 30-frame UFO order.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33288 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26471 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 21):
DL could be the other.

If you read the thread, there are many reasons explained as to why DL can't be the other.



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User currently offlineCtang From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 26470 times:

Could the other 30+ planes be for CX? Me thinks so and hopes so. After all, it is for a non-US airline.

User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 26470 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 21):
There's two big 787 UFO orders, only one of which we have now identified. DL could be the other. Of course, so could AA.

Ahh, OK. Maybe thats where some of the confusion is. It would be so cool if the 30x order were actually BA.

iwok


25 N328KF : Not a single one of which are more than speculation...
26 Post contains images DEVILFISH : Engines? I wonder if the first frame would be named Jefferson Starship? - although I rather like Yes better. [Edited 2007-04-24 07:36:27]
27 Post contains images Ikramerica : whenever a press release says "as many as" they are talking options, too. They have 5 A343 and 19 346 aircraft. That adds up to 24. Might we be seein
28 SFORunner : New Slog: "2 are greener than 4" Speculation: with the forthcoming US - EU Open Skies, how many of these birds will be destined for US - non-UK routes
29 Kaitak744 : In terms of expansion, open-skies and ect. means absolutely nothing at Heathrow until they build a 3rd runway. I think they ordered the 787-9 now, bu
30 SFORunner : New Slogan: "2 are greener than 4" Speculation: with the forthcoming US - EU Open Skies, how many of these birds will be destined for US - non-UK rout
31 Post contains links SFORunner : Also, from Reuters: http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/...DST_0_VIRGIN-BOEING-DREAMLINER.XML Virgin's Richard Branson and Boeing Chief Executive W. J
32 Post contains images Norcal773 : Good for VS and Boeing.
33 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : Very nice for VS and Boeing's 787 program. Can't wait for the official announcement. Guess SBR liked the GEnx greener engines. IMO... This is a hudge
34 Post contains images AirFrnt : I think in the long run, these 787 will have a much greater influence on what a post Open Skies VS looks like then the A380, especially in light of FR
35 Post contains images Vorticity : This reminds me of George Orwell's literary classic "Animal Farm". If you've read it, you'll know what I'm talking about. In the beginning, they have
36 Post contains images MCIGuy : Fantastic! Finally a European major with more likely to follow. The 787 has already blown past my expectations, and I expected a lot.
37 Post contains images Scbriml : You may have missed VS's fleet of 747s.
38 MAH4546 : It is not "speculation" when a debtor cannot enter into a contract while in bankruptcy.
39 AirFrnt : I don't know why this myth keeps on propagating. A bankrupt company can in fact enter into new contracts with the court's authority. In fact, one of
40 11Bravo : ..., and you may have missed the deferral/cancellation of the VS A380 and the A346 orders. If I were in the Airbus boardroom, I'd be very concerned a
41 Ikramerica : Yes, but it must be public record when done. It can't be UFO. THAT'S THE POINT that so many people don't seem to get. DL may very well enter into a c
42 Post contains images UAL777UK : Well done VS, Looks to me as this will be for the expansion to the US from various major European Cities. I just hope a aircraft with two engines can
43 Post contains images PEET7G : If this turns out to be true, I am still waiting for all those nimbys to come froward and at least apologize for flaming the guy (I think a pilot at V
44 A3 : After this development , i am sure that soon Virgin America will start flying...............................
45 777ER : As has been said, this is now old news. Looking forward to reading Boeings news release on this Especially since VS is one of Airbuses good customers
46 Copaair737 : Nice work by VS. Will be great to see the 787 in VS colors. I wonder if they'll use them for EU-US point to point routes? Maybe some routes out of SFO
47 Slz396 : VS has never been and in fact non of the 'Airbus customers that take out the checkbook for a 787' you refer too has ever been an Airbus-only customer
48 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...there were some A.netters here (cough, cough, Jacobin777 and Zvezda, former A.netter Leelaw) who have been stating for a while that there is a pos
49 DEVILFISH : On second thought, SRB might prefer Led Zeppelin.
50 Post contains images Slz396 : Indeed, and that's because many people here have short memory and don't see the long term picture which is that most airlines don't belong to a singl
51 XT6Wagon : Certainly I am one that put the "deferred" orders in the "canceled" column till Airbus proves to their customers that they actually do want the plane
52 Scbriml : No, I read about those. However, I'm really not sure what your point is - I corrected BoeingFever777's statement that VS was an all-Airbus airline. I
53 Post contains images Legoguy : Certainly a great win for Boeing! Looks like VS are heading towards an all Boeing fleet. But is the 787 not a completely different size to the A346's?
54 Tsaord : A 787 with Virgin colors. There will not be a prettier aircraft in the sky!!!! Great news. I hope the 787 is up to snuff as Boeing claims it is! Its a
55 MCOflyer : 2 engines 2 go long Congrats to Boeing and VS. MCOflyer
56 RJ111 : It's not looking good for Airbus at the minute losing this one and the AF order. Two orders which they would arguably be favorites to win.
57 Scouseflyer : Hmm why has ILFC then deferred their orders to 2013 - I think that it's ok for EK and Airbus to discuss a direct order if ILFC has deferred their pla
58 Slz396 : They'll need a lot more than 4 engines to power these 787s... (just kidding) Talking about engines: I've seen the GEnx been mentioned several times i
59 Raggi : Did they announce that they have selected the GEnx over the the RR Trent already? I for one see this order as RR's to lose... raggi
60 Post contains images CXfirst : Why is everyone so obsessed with the "4 engines 4 longhaul" ? We all new that had to end, even if they got an Airbus. Both the A350 and 787 have only
61 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...we'll put you in the "cancel" camp also then...
62 WINGS : Congratulations to Boeing on this wonderful achievement. I had been expecting this confirmation for a while now, although again it is interesting to n
63 JAL : If this news is confirmed, this will be a big win for Boeing!
64 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : Hi Wings.... I could see VS ordering some A350's, ..to make matters interesting (and possibly incorrect for us naysayers-might have to eat my words in
65 Aerosol : I repeat it again: The 346 is the strategical mistake of Airbus!
66 Slz396 : Glad to see we can find common grounds over this. Some reasons why the A350 is 'very possible' for VS too: -) the A350 comes in bigger versions than
67 Oroka : 'Two engines to more profit' VS 787 FTW!
68 Post contains links and images Tjwgrr : Modified Airliner Photos:Design © oso blancoTemplate © ijsbeer
69 Juanchito : Well done for VS and Boeing. Juanchito
70 Par13del : I can only echo A3 in reply 44, what does this do for Virgin America? If spending this money for some B-787's allows Virgin America a smoother entranc
71 Post contains images AutoThrust : Way to go Boeing, IMO the 787 always fitted better to VS size wise. And the plane will look very hot in Virgin Colors. Well said, couldnt agree more.
72 ManchesterMAN : As mentioned the 787 will be a great aircraft for VS to use to expand service to the USA. I'd be surprised if they didn't try to operate some routes f
73 Post contains images A340600 : Exactly, I agree. Good news for Boeing and VS, can't wait to see these beautiful planes in their livery, Sam
74 Bennett123 : I do not think that anyone ever suggested that 4 engines 4 long haul was anything more than a marketing slogan, (even SRB). It simply plays well with
75 Post contains images VV701 : This time last year all the VS A340s in service carried the '4 engines 4 long haul' slogan in white paint on their red outer engines and some still h
76 N328KF : It was in the WSJ...it's the next best thing to a press release.
77 Post contains images Atmx2000 : Yes, the quadicide continues according to your plans, my lord. Well it doesn't sound like they are thrilled about the A346 at this moment in time. Pe
78 Hamlet69 : This order is for 787-9's. That being said, I agree that a A350 order would fit very well with VS's current strategies. Probably in place of the A380
79 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Bow when you address me, mortal! ...um, list the airlines who are
80 1stfl94 : So 4 engines 4 long haul will be probably become 2 engines 2 be quiet!!!, or something like. Any idea on when the A/C are being delivered??
81 Post contains images CYatUK : Obviously 2 engines boost fuel economy and are more environmentally friendly whilst helping reduce CO2 emmissions. HOWEVER I am very surprised by peop
82 N328KF : That it was a marketing trick is why people are bashing it. That, and it was exceedingly shortsighted.
83 DAYflyer : Actually it looks like they may be for AC, see below: Fair Use Air Canada orders 23 Boeing 787s 7:59:30 AM ET 4/24/2007 NEW YORK (MarketWatch) - Air
84 DeltaDAWG : It was also on Reuters! Absolutely great news for VS and for Boeing. VS color scheme will look stunning on the 789. Have they announced an engine sup
85 Post contains images Airbazar : 4 engines 4 long-haul was just a marketing campaign that was launched at a time when it made sense, especially in the eyes of the general public. Lik
86 USAF336TFS : Wow! looks like those of us that thought this was LH were wrong. This is certainly a coup for Boeing, getting a carrier that was perceived to be leani
87 SEPilot : On the matter of the deferred A380/346 orders, unless Airbus does something extremely stupid they are holding a substantial chunk of VS's money which
88 StarGuy : Just been released on the company staff website: The Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft will be joining our fleet from 2011. This next generation aircra
89 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Official: - VS have ordered 15 firm 789s - VS have taken 8 x 789 Options - VS Have taken 20 additional Pruchase Rights on unspecified models of the 78
90 FriendlySkies : Are you sure? That may have changed thanks to the A380 delays (granted, VS did defer the orders, but still)...
91 FriendlySkies : I'm not sure on the fuel burn of an A343 compared to say a 772 or an A330, but 27% is not an insignificant number. Wow.
92 Post contains links Onewickedboi : Virgin does! Pictures are included in the "Fact Sheet" available at: http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/tridi...ges/7879_factsheet_tcm5-506204.pdf Sorry
93 Airbazar : The savings in fuel burn is not that big of a news flash. I am far more impressed about this other comment: If indeed true, this is huge, given that
94 FWAERJ : Congratulations to Boeing! Still, I bet that good ol' John Leahy is taking some Alka-Seltzer with a Prilosec chaser thanks to this news. First SRB sai
95 Post contains images BWIA 772 : Nice so this means that sometime in the future at BGI we will see Boeing 787 from both AC and VS on the tarmac that should be wicked.
96 Gilesdavies : Not really had a chance to read all posts as the forum is fillings up very quicky and just skimmed over. IMHO it is a shame to see Virgin go for Boein
97 AirMailer : Well I'm assuming that AC is part of the unidentified as well... April 24, 2007 7:23 a.m. DOW JONES NEWSWIRES "Air Canada (AC.A.T) has exercised exis
98 SEPilot : Not at all; as I said before I am totally bloviating; but I understand that in order to place a firm order an airline has to put down a reasonably su
99 DeltaDC9 : As opposed to your speculation that some of the greatest financial minds in the world cannot come up with an unconventional solution? It is not unusu
100 Post contains images Buckieboy : Maybe you mean a Nexium chaser. [AstraZeneca quarterly results published yesterday]. Cheers BB
101 JAAlbert : Very true. The 350 will be a smash success at the Paris airshow. Airbus now has the composites, sizing and economics right on this plane and as Boein
102 Norcal773 : Aiming for is the right word, but maybe someone needs to remind Chew how to sign coz he still hasn't signed the dotted line.
103 SEPilot : I don't believe that it would be practical to make the 747 a twin even if there were the engines available. The required changes (larger vertical sta
104 2wingtips : Another alternative would be 789 and 787-10(VS have 20 purchase rights as well), which would render the 359 unecessary and go with the 748I instead o
105 PanAm_DC10 : Boeing and S R Branson are having a media conference. It's a live feed via a subscriber only service but some routes have been mentioned; Non-Stop Lon
106 Post contains images Aerofan : Wow!! Excellent news!! about time! Now this news will hopefully make some of you scurry off with your tails between your legs As for me - I look forwa
107 Aerofan : IIRC, VS still has some A346 to be received. Does anyone now know what will become of them? Will they still get delivered? Will Boeing buy them now of
108 DeltaDC9 : I remember that, he was very conservative and unassuming in his comments too simply stating what he had become aware of, not one of A.Nets better day
109 ATLflyer : So..will Virgin configure their Economy Class in 8 or 9 abreast? They stress the "wider isles and seats" in the pdf someone included.
110 Post contains images GBan : Pure speculation. Assuming that there are laws and that they even are obeyed really goes too far
111 N328KF : As I said below, there's no reason to believe that AC would need to do a UFO on this. They are already an outted customer. I guess we'll find out for
112 Dank : The question of what they do in this (346) market space (and the 744/deferred 380) will be interesting. Maybe we will know something more about this
113 Post contains images Aerofan : "Quoting Aerofan (Reply 106): "If this turns out to be true, I am still waiting for all those nimbys to come froward and at least apologize for flamin
114 Post contains images USAF336TFS : Here's the first picture: [Edited 2007-04-24 16:35:08]
115 VV701 : Not likely. The '4 engines 4 long haul' was a marketing campaign directed primarily at the British public and primarily against BA's growing 772 flee
116 Dank : Except for the fact that there are a bunch of small UFOs out there that would lend some of them to being add on orders. But who knows? cheers.
117 N328KF : What if VS's statement was "Let us defer the A340-600s at no penalty and we will only defer, not cancel, the A380-800s (as allowed by contract)?" I'v
118 Dank : Since none of these events coincided (the deferrals were months apart iirc), it's hard to know. The "different story" I was referring to, though, was
119 Onewickedboi : Nothing official yet. The PDF Fact Sheet references the same 250 - 290 passenger capacity as Boeing estimates for the 787-9. Virgin notes that the co
120 Post contains links BY188B : Here is the link to the official press release from Virgin and a quote from SRB.... http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb...e/pressreleases/news/pr2404
121 BigJKU : I think the reason this slogan would offend and bother people is that it is basically an implicit statement that 2 engines is not safe. Basically the
122 Justloveplanes : I don't think in can be Delta even if such permission was given. I think such court permission would have to be in open session, so all the creditors
123 Aerofan : Quoting Dank:"The question of what they do in this (346) market space (and the 744/deferred 380) will be interesting. Maybe we will know something mor
124 Post contains links BY188B : and also some excellent videos in this presentation..... http://www.virginatlanticdreamliner.com/rfe.html
125 Post contains images Mexicana757 : Congrats to Boeing and VS, will be great to see those 787s coming into ORD.
126 Post contains links Aminobwana : I am baffled by REUTERS' article as below: If Reuters got it right and Virgin announced this order, what sense makes BRANSON's announcement ?? And how
127 Post contains images Dank : Don't you know that only Airbus gives airlines a price that can't be refused? And that Boeing wins because of the better plane? big . If I were a wag
128 Dank : Hunh? I don't see how these articles are in conflict. Just because SRB has options and purchase rights on more 789s (for the options and any 787 for
129 AirFrnt : Doubtful. Given that we know there are at least two carriers that were offered north of 50% discounts (US - which never seriously considered the 787
130 YULWinterSkies : No, still 4 engines 4 long-haul. 2 one-way, and 2 the other way. As simple as 2+2=4.
131 Stitch : 33% off list, per Avitas. Equal to ALFACO and about 6% more then CO's add-on.
132 Collettnj : Of course, let us not neglect their plans for the 'Virgin Galactic' base in the US...
133 EIRules : I heard VS have announced 7 new routes to acompany this deal, does anyone know where they are to or is this info wrong and just specualted routes?
134 DIA : Was this order out of the blue...or were there rumors around a.net? Saw this headline today...I didn't need my morning coffee.
135 Aminobwana : Yes, what you say seems to be an explanation. Pls. see the following article just appeared, which shows that thereis no doubt of the reality of the o
136 Dank : I'm surprised, but earlier delivery obviously was a big factor (plus the fact that the fact that I wouldn't be shocked if they go the SQ route in ter
137 Stitch : There were significant rumors, with significant discussion for and against it happening. LON-PER and LON-HNL non-stop were two per the news conferenc
138 Post contains links and images FoxBravo : There were rumors. http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/3314535/
139 Flysherwood : Airbus better hope you are right. Remember, last year Airbus never caught up to Boeing in the number of orders. And the disparity in airframe quantit
140 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...but it played into the fears of people..and it was a complete canard..that is why people take the piss out of it so much....carriers were even fly
141 Stitch : VS will need to replace their A346's eventually, from a service life standpoint if not an economic and environmental one. Right now, the only option
142 Post contains links SkyyMaster : OK, straight from the horses mouth: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q2/070424a_nr.html On top of AC's additions, the 787 may just kill the 35
143 Pygmalion : looks like they will take the A380 but Branson said he doesn't see how it will make any money for Airbus.... interesting (From the Independent)[Edited
144 Flysherwood : Their hold on those deposits may not be what they once were. The two year delay through a lot of things out of the window as far as deposits were con
145 Mexicana757 : SRB being interviewed live on CNN at the moment. Talking about biofuels and of course the 787.
146 Aminobwana : Fully agreed !! Further, at least the outsized A 380 delay is equivalent to a contract breach, which th customer can invoke if he terminate the contr
147 Airbazar : It would be irrational to think that Airbus' orders in this segment will catch up to Boeing's any time soon given that the 787 is just months away fr
148 Da man : The CNN interview was conducted by Richard Quest, and he asked if VS would still take the A380 in a few years. SRB said YES!
149 Post contains images PlaneMad : "Virgin Atlantic will also offer a new route from London to Hawaii, and from next year, trans-pacific flights from Sydney to LA. "- Quote from BBC New
150 Post contains images Onewickedboi : Perth and Hawaii as possible destinations were also noted in my earlier post (Reply 92), with a publicly available (hyperlinked) source. You can say
151 SEPilot : If he had said anything else he would be pilloried (rightly so) for being a total idiot in not cancelling when he had the opportunity. Whether he mea
152 DeltaDC9 : This is not a new development. Probably, but Airbus is quickly becoming the GM of the skies. The GE test aircraft was able to fly on just one GE90 (n
153 SEPilot : How true; laws are written by lawyers to provide work for other lawyers in evading them. I've long been in favor of a constitutional amendment prohib
154 Post contains images WestJetYQQ : Beautiful! Now with these new found, smaller aircraft, is there a chance that Virgin Atlantic could start service to one or two Canadian destinations
155 Aerofan : CHRISBA777ER, Well I don't mean to gloat - well actually I do! I guess VS showed you, huh! Did I hear someone say that VS will fly from LAX to down un
156 Post contains links Panamair : According to this: http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/tridi...ges/7879_factsheet_tcm5-506204.pdf the 787 will be "instrumental in introducing new routes
157 Post contains links Birdy : Is this new a paint scheme of Virgin Atlantic, perhaps just a new vision of designers or just a mistake? http://boeingmedia.com/imageDetail.cfm?id=148
158 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...we can leave the politics aside for "non-av. forum"..there is more than enough "Iraq chat" over there.. ....the problem with the argument is that
159 Post contains images Dank : No, I had no doubt that there was the order. Maybe we were interpreting the 350 comments differently. I was reading it as VS was still considering 35
160 Bh4007 : The videos; obviously targeted at the public/potential passengers show the Boeing team almost directly pitching the 787 to the passengers; futile, no?
161 9VSIO : I seem to recall somewhere that one of the engine manufacturers (I think it was Engine Alliance) preferred it if the engines were painted a greyish c
162 EbbUK : Marketing wins over national pride. That's the Branson way. Carbon emissions is his hot flavour right now expect a logo "2 engines for less Carbon" or
163 Lite : bmi will not sell to virgin atlantic, they have been approaching bmi since Dan Air was still around and Virgin had considered buying them - if anyone
164 Post contains links Birdy : That maybe the reason in different paint scheme. I have found this: "The 787 Dreamliner defines our ongoing commitment to the environment. Boeing has
165 Post contains links Onewickedboi : Perhaps you may have come across this thread: 787 Engine Nacelle Change... Again? (by KhenleyDIA Jan 3 2007 in Civil Aviation)#1 From those posts, it
166 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Excellent Congratulations to Boeing, SRB and VS it is then Lee
167 Aminobwana : DENK Yes, I was, and so seemingly the stock market NYSE, where BA dropped instantly 1.5 points!! But you were right. Now, I would say Branson was only
168 Jetset7E7 : Great news for Boeing, and Virgin Atlantic! Mark
169 David_itl : May not have been registered to them, but a VS liveried Martinair 767 plied MAN-MCO back in 1995/1996!
170 Swiftski : Haven't had time to read the entire thread, but I for one am VERY excited about this order.
171 Justloveplanes : The basic problem is there whether Delta would be buying direct from Boeing or via a third party. They are still incurring a purchase liability. If p
172 Areopagus : Just like any manufacturer (including Boeing with the 787) convinces itself and its early customers that its new design is worth the investment. Not
173 Dank : Exactly. People somehow ordered a bunch of 787s without any "real" data. cheers.
174 Aminobwana : Can somebody tell me, for the aircraft industry, what differentiates a "purchase right" from an an "option".?? In some other industry, a purchase righ
175 Aerofan : Seems to me that VS strategy is now to use these smaller crafts on routes that are thinner and perhaps not geared to much business travel. As has alre
176 DeltaDC9 : That is not a given, a simple right of refusal and no money changeing hands may negate that. It is ot inconceivable that Beoing set the slots aside w
177 USAF336TFS : Engine choices will be the next battle. And with it's annoucement of a joint VA/Boeing/GE study with biofuels, the implication to me is that the GEnX
178 EBJ1248650 : Boeing web site says it's 787-9s.
179 Ikramerica : Well you can count one idiot, me, who would be crowing "I told you so" re: London-HNL. I've asked about the prospect, and people always dismiss it. T
180 BoomBoom : A Birdy in the hand is worth two in the bush...
181 Post contains images Glideslope : 700, 787 orders by Paris. I see it coming, yes, I see it, closer, closer,..............
182 777way : Would have looked great in the previous tail design, and perhaps added purple bands around the front of the engines for a slicker look.
183 Flysherwood : A manufacturers credibility has a lot to do with this. Considering the A345, A346 and A380, Airbus claims may be questioned a lot harder than Boeing.
184 Aerofan : Would have looked great in the previous tail design, and perhaps added purple bands around the front of the engines for a slicker look. I agree. I do
185 Dank : Aside from the first few 346 frames and the overweight (but meeting performance goals) 380, what claims aren't being met by AIrbus? The 345 and 346 d
186 Post contains images Da man : How about trying for 787 orders by Paris?
187 DLPMMM : No third party would ever assume this type of risk. Being "clever" in this fashion is patently illegal under US Bankruptcy Code. Yes you did imply it
188 Dank : It is odd, isn't it? I mean, it isn't a stretch to believe that eventually DL will buy 787s. But even with the mounting evidence against the UFO belo
189 SEPilot : It's pretty clear that it's a case of when, not if.
190 Rheinbote : You can't take the outboard engines off because the inertia mass of the engines is instrumental in preventing wing flutter.
191 Dank : Which is why I said it isn't a stretch (but until the order actually happens...). The issue is that people around here seem to confuse that when to m
192 Post contains images SFORunner : Ah, but does Virgin Blue / Pacific Blue have any interest in providing connecting HNL - Australia services as part of a combined "Hawaiian Kangaroo"
193 Post contains images Keesje : Good win for Boeing. They really lacked a blue chip european airline. The 4 enginges for long haul thing only lived on for yrs in the heads of some a.
194 Post contains links BoomBoom : But can we forgive John Leahy? Here's some of what he predicted in 2004: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/182692_airbus19.html[Edited 2007-04-2
195 Post contains images AA777 : Good decision, Richard. I think the 787 will be one of the best looking planes in VS colors.... cant wait to see it fly. Congrats to Boeing- this is a
196 Flysherwood : I have said this many times, but exactly how does this guy still have a job? It is comical to read his interview. Anyone who wants to know what happe
197 HighFlyer9790 : truely fantastic! i hope this will lead VS to expand more in the US and europe. Boeing is doing great and im glad. any chance VS will bring LGW-ATH? m
198 Jfk777 : I never thought Virgin would order another Boeing airplane. The way Branson has been going Airbus with A346 At Virgin Atlantic and A320 for Virgin Ame
199 Post contains images Jacobin777 : true..but those windows still look huge on an absolute basis..... ..don't throw me in that camp mate... ...ok...I wasn't too sanguine on London-HNL a
200 Gunsontheroof : Good for all parties involved. For ordering so late in the game, VS is certainly showing a lot of enthusiasm for the plane through PR... Sweet.
201 RayChuang : I think VS was able to secure the order because the new US-EU Open Skies agreement makes it possible for VS to fly the 787-9 to smaller US cities from
202 WestIndian425 : Do you think they could possibly use it for Caribbean expansion as well?
203 Post contains images HughesAirwest : I just saw that same interview on FOX. Great job VS and Boeing, now that is just great innovative and out of the box thinking the industry needs more
204 Post contains images Iwok : What happened to LeeLaw? Nice windows and a great brochure in general. Probably the most detailed renderings I have seen on the engine nacelles. One
205 ZK-NBT : Congrats to VS and Boeing here! Hopefully AKL will be a new route future.
206 Post contains images PEET7G : I can't believe how fanatic people simply can not see the obvious... Airbus produces excellent airplanes, but has a lousy management, and their PR is
207 Elvis777 : Howdy, and did Halibut ever come back? Did Leelaw leave voluntarily? Peace Elvis777
208 MD-90 : 2 engines to save the world
209 Post contains links 777ER : Part 2 is now up and running VS Selects B787, Part 2 (by 777ER Apr 25 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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