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User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 884 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

I have searched the forum but I cannot find a thread.

I booked BNE > BKK on SQ with a 3 day stop over in SIN. 6th July > 27th July 1,224.00. I also checked MH and TG both of them were between 1,700 and 1,900. I realise that TG and MH have pulled direct services to BNE but this has now opened the door to SQ to consolidate continue double daily out of BNE and offer route fares at very good prices.

I thought the whole strategy behind MH and TG offering a service via SYD was to make more efficient use of aircraft which allowed them to use 744's to do double daily out of SYD with BNE side service on one service to fill seats and keep the BNE market . Either, they have full planes or they are pricing themselves out of the market...can any shed any light why this would be happening?


Airlines Flown : QF,NW,AA, CX, AC, MH, SQ, DJ, NZ, TG, PG,US, FJ, J8, AN, DD, JQ
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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1065 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

if i were you i would book EK from BNE to SIN, then take any no frills to BKK

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Thread starter):
Either, they have full planes or they are pricing themselves out of the market...can any shed any light why this would be happening?

I'd say full planes. It is the northern hemisphere summer, so a popular time for people to go to Europe perhaps?

They may also not have as many cheap seats to fill as SQ does.


User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 1):
if i were you i would book EK from BNE to SIN, then take any no frills to BKK

I looked into that, I have enough Velocity points for a round trip to SIN however getting a seat was another thing. I would love to fly EK to SIN....I love EK.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 2):
I'd say full planes. It is the northern hemisphere summer, so a popular time for people to go to Europe perhaps?

They may also not have as many cheap seats to fill as SQ does.

Yes, I figured it might be something like that however, does this mean that it was a good idea dropping direct BNE services?



Airlines Flown : QF,NW,AA, CX, AC, MH, SQ, DJ, NZ, TG, PG,US, FJ, J8, AN, DD, JQ
User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9007 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 3):
Yes, I figured it might be something like that however, does this mean that it was a good idea dropping direct BNE services?

BNE struggles to support any carrier, it is over supplied as it is.



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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1065 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 3):
I love EK

Me too  Smile


User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 4):
BNE struggles to support any carrier, it is over supplied as it is.

Hi Zeke, good to see you participating in this thread. How is BNE over supplied? Loads seem ok and by figures I read, international traffic out of BNE is growing....



Airlines Flown : QF,NW,AA, CX, AC, MH, SQ, DJ, NZ, TG, PG,US, FJ, J8, AN, DD, JQ
User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Thread starter):

hmm how about Royal Brunei??


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9007 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Quoting Sparklehorse12 (Reply 6):
How is BNE over supplied? Loads seem ok and by figures I read, international traffic out of BNE is growing....

I think SQ, TG, MH have all cut back, BNE is a very small city with no large banks or stock market to support good F/J class, so it is primarily a low cost market. Even QF have dropped the 330 off the BNE-HKG route back to a 763.



We are addicted to our thoughts. We cannot change anything if we cannot change our thinking – Santosh Kalwar
User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

And JL dropped JL777 KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX recently.

I think it would be a matter of time before the NRT service is pulled as well.

And if you look at the aircraft that JL flies............ Well, they sometimes have the B747-200B flying the route!!!! I think its the longest B747-200B route that is left since they changed YVR to the -446s.



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 680 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1331 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
I think SQ, TG, MH have all cut back, BNE is a very small city with no large banks or stock market to support good F/J class, so it is primarily a low cost market. Even QF have dropped the 330 off the BNE-HKG route back to a 763.

SQ cut back services due to A380 delays as aircraft were needed elsewhere, TG is actually increasing BNE to daily from June with 744s operating BKK-SYD-BNE-BKK (but we'll get non-stops back in October - flights via SYD is a temp measure) and well Malaysia - they've actually increased BNE services to Daily and many have said the reason for doing a triangular KUL-SYD-BNE-KUL service is purely so they can prop up their underperforming 2nd daily SYD flight.

Brisbane is primarily leisure but has a strong developing albeit small business market. Brisbane has the highest hotel occupancy rates in Australia (in the 80%s) and there's isn't enough hotel capacity. Yes BNE has no SYD or even MEL premium air market, but it is still developing along well (Just ask Emirates).

Brisbane’s estimated resident population in 2004 was 1.77 million (ABS). AKL is ~ 1.3/4/5 and PER 1.5million. The South East QLD region is the fastest growing in Australia and so is our airport.

The reason 763s are on BNE-HKG (and some QF187/188 SYD-HKG-SYD services too I might add) is because Qantas needed them to operate 333s on SYD-NRT, where they were trying to improve yields and generate more business traffic with the better Skybed product (versus 743 and Dreamtime). It's my understanding this experiment has not produced increased yields. 767/743s will also fly routes such as PER-SIN, ADL-SIN, MEL-AKL, SYD-HKG, SYD-NRT, MEL-NRT etc during times when QF have aircraft in maintenance.

Ktachiya, just remember close to all of the traffic travelling that route is low-yield Japanese traffic and not that from Brisbane. I would imagine JL's costs would be very high so I wouldn't be surprised if NRT-SYD/BNE services switched to Jetstar.

Brisbane does need more capacity and I'm sure the likes of EK, BI, SQ, QF will deliver it.

I'm sick of peoples' unfounded perceptions of BNE - it's about time people did some research.

Rgds


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 4):
BNE struggles to support any carrier, it is over supplied as it is.

How about the QF nonstop service to LAX? Is QF flying, what, 4x weekly BNE-LAX? Does anyone by any chance know the days of the week of this service? I was randomly looking for fares LAX-Australia in December/January and I did not see BNE being cheaper than MEL or SYD.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5312 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 11):
How about the QF nonstop service to LAX? Is QF flying, what, 4x weekly BNE-LAX? Does anyone by any chance know the days of the week of this service?

5x weekly, daily ex Tuesday and Thursday ex BNE.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 10):
Brisbane’s estimated resident population in 2004 was 1.77 million (ABS). AKL is ~ 1.3/4/5 and PER 1.5million. The South East QLD region is the fastest growing in Australia and so is our airport.



Quoting QF175 (Reply 10):
Yes BNE has no SYD or even MEL premium air market, but it is still developing along well (Just ask Emirates).

Interesting you say that, I read that in this region AKL has the second most highest yeilding PAX after SYD, just to different places than MEL, like more North America flights from AKL and also South America, sure some of those are Australia originating. Plus SQ, CX do well out of AKL! MEL of course does have SYD to contend with and SYD gets several carriers that MEL doesn't.

I don't think BNE is overserved at all, just has lower yeilding traffic than SYD, MEL, AKL.


User currently offlineSparklehorse12 From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

BNE is a good airport, very accessible. I think it is a mistake to under estimate BNE. I believe TG and MH have done this......


Airlines Flown : QF,NW,AA, CX, AC, MH, SQ, DJ, NZ, TG, PG,US, FJ, J8, AN, DD, JQ
User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
I think SQ, TG, MH have all cut back, BNE is a very small city with no large banks or stock market to support good F/J class, so it is primarily a low cost market

Yet the part that amazes me is that BNE actually took the O&D and the time to actually make a transit system to the city and the airport. Whereas, YVR says that it is a global market, and waits about 10 years after BNE had theirs to make a rapid transit system. And int the meantime, the poor two lane road to the airport gets so congested at times. At least BNE has much better planning.

I know this is off topic but was it a project of BNE or the city of Brisbane?



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