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What % Of CO's Delays Are Attributable To EWR  
User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

While waiting for a CO flight a few days ago and listening to the agent apologize for the delay followed by the now familiar "...we are waiting for the inbound aircraft from Newark"

At this moment I had two epiphanies:
1) About 75% of my flights (mainline and ExpressJet) over the past 6 months have been delayed
2) 100% of those delays were either because I was flying two or from EWR, or we were waiting for an aircraft from EWR.

So that then makes me wonder how many of CO's delays are directly attributable to Newark -- either flights to/from Newark or delayed because the inbound aircraft was coming from Newark? Does this statistic exist anywhere?

Lincoln
[Edited to fix subject]

[Edited 2007-04-24 15:29:37]


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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23058 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Thread starter):

So that then makes me wonder how many of CO's delays are directly attributable to Newark -- either flights to/from Newark or delayed because the inbound aircraft was coming from Newark? Does this statistic exist anywhere?

I don't think it's as high as we'd all like to make it out to be. CO does fly to other delay-prone airports like ORD, and something like w/x over the middle of the country will screw up CO's operations even though IAH and CLE themselves are able to handle a fair amount of operational disruption.



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User currently offlineCaptainJon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

I never really had a problem with delays. The only delay is caused by me getting there way too early. In fact, I tend to get to the gate, before the previous flight's plane lands and gets to the gate.

They even offered me to fly on that jet, but I said I already checked my luggage, so I either way another two hours in ORD or wait for my luggage in EWR. I don't think I would be even allowed to leave my luggage on the next flight if I were to take the earlier flight, would I?


User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
CO does fly to other delay-prone airports like ORD
Very good point. That EWR delayed aircraft very well could have been in BOS or ORD earlier in the day and been the reason for the delay now waiting for your flight to arrive from EWR.

I've actually been fortunate this year, so far......"knockin on wood"......that my flights from DFW-IAH have run on time and the airplane came from EWR to DFW, had 3 of those, and been into/out of EWR a couple more times and on time or early each time, so far.........all on CO.

[Edited 2007-04-24 15:50:37]


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quoting CaptainJon (Reply 2):
never really had a problem with delays.



Quoting Iahflyr (Reply 3):
on time or early each time, so far.........all on CO

Ok, I guess CO just doesn't like me anymore then  Sad. I wonder if it was something I said.

The funny thing though is when I'm checking in for a flight the exchange invariably goes something like
Them: "Well, it looks like the inbound aircraft is coming from Newark..."
Me: "Say no more."
Them: "You hear that a lot, don't you"
Me: "Yeah."

(Just kidding of course about CO not liking me, they're still my favorite airline)

Lincoln



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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Thread starter):
So that then makes me wonder how many of CO's delays are directly attributable to Newark -- either flights to/from Newark or delayed because the inbound aircraft was coming from Newark? Does this statistic exist anywhere?

You could ask the same question for DL @ ATL, UA @ ORD, AA@ DFW, B6 @ JFK...etc etc.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 5):
You could ask the same question for DL @ ATL, UA @ ORD, AA@ DFW, B6 @ JFK...etc etc.

But I bet he doesn't fly those other airlines!  Smile



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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 843 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3416 times:
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EWR is producing some major headaches for CO, though there is a good arguement that they contribute to the issue via the number of flights they are trying top squeeze in during peak hours. While I know other airlines have similar issues with their hubs, for some reason it seems to affect CO more as it is causing a LOT of people to miss their connecting flights to Europe. Give the high loads and low frequencies for many destination, this can mean a delay of mutliple days to reach their destination. At a minimum, it means a lot of frustrated customers being stuck in middle seats as they struggle through an additional connection in AMS or CDG.

Living in CLE I am well aware not to take the 15:00 flight to EWR if I am connecting to the first bank of flights to Europe. Flight 1567 is routinely 30 - 60 minutes late on a flight that is already scheduled for 2+ hours. So, what is really an hour flight is actually taking 3 hours? What a mess!

I can not wait until CLE-CDG comes online next year and hopefully CLE-AMS comes online shortly after. Anything to avoid the mess of EWR!



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

not really DL@ATL, unless there are t-storms, DL@JFK however.. definitely.

-A



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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

CO is trying to spread out departure banks at EWR to reduce congestion somewhat. There is now an early evening, mid-evening, late evening international push. This will of course be seasonal for the most part. A lot of CO flights out of EWR are padded with extra time built in to account for ground delays there.

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23058 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 9):
A lot of CO flights out of EWR are padded with extra time built in to account for ground delays there.

CO also seems to undersell flights timed to arrive EWR in the 3-4 PM range so that when everything is delayed a couple of hours, potential Europe misconnects can be put on them. Not sure if it's company policy, but it seems to happen a lot.



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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

For February, 2007 (latest month available), Continental had 4,644 operations into EWR, of which 60.8% were on-time (within 15 minutes of scheduled arrival(on-time performance is expressed by arrival performance)).

By comparison, IAH had 6,939 operations, of which 83.2% were on time.

For every 1,000 flights into EWR, 392 were late; at Houston, 168 were late.

10 of the top 25 most delayed flights in the United States either originated or terminated in EWR (although only one involved Continental).

All of this fascinating information, and so much more can be found:


http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/reports/index.htm


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

CLE is somewhat delay prone in the winter when the Lake Effect monster rears its ugly head. Several hours of below Cat-1 conditions are not out of the ordinary, as are heavy delays for deicing. Delayed flights aren't just an EWR problem in the winter, although EWR is definitely a liability for CO when it comes to keeping the system on time.

CO is significantly better at reaccommodating pax after a problem than some of the other airlines who connect people in delay prone east coast airports though. I won't mention any names.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 11):
For February, 2007 (latest month available), Continental had 4,644 operations into EWR, of which 60.8% were on-time (within 15 minutes of scheduled arrival(on-time performance is expressed by arrival performance)).

By comparison, IAH had 6,939 operations, of which 83.2% were on time.

Yeah and IAH lands 3 runways most of the time, minimum of 2 and EWR lands 1 runway......that might skew those percentages a bit, but oh well!



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User currently offlineJROTTO From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

I highly reccommend the FAA statistics website. I just used it for a statistics project and you can learn some fascinating things about delays and their causes from it.

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/OT_Delay/OT_DelayCause1.asp?pn=1


User currently offlineBadlydrawnboy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3168 times:

I know for a fact the EWR-TUL flight is routinely over an hour late and sometimes in the neighborhood of 5+ hours late, but that's the biz.

bdb


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3132 times:

Ohhh the many times I have spent at EWR waiting for delayed CO flights..... Embarrassment..........


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 843 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3080 times:
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Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 12):
CLE is somewhat delay prone in the winter when the Lake Effect monster rears its ugly head. Several hours of below Cat-1 conditions are not out of the ordinary, as are heavy delays for deicing. Delayed flights aren't just an EWR problem in the winter, although EWR is definitely a liability for CO when it comes to keeping the system on time.

While this certainly occurs on occassion, the majority of the delays from CLE-EWR are due to ATC ground stops due to high traffic volumes. Add one speck of airborne precipitation in the northeast and it turns a bad situation to chaos.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 17):
While this certainly occurs on occassion, the majority of the delays from CLE-EWR are due to ATC ground stops due to high traffic volumes

I'm not talking just the handful of CLE-EWR flights. I've been to CLE before when it was near a total meltdown itself because of a snow event, regardless of if your flight was going to EWR or PHX... not counting the day that Delta Connection E-170 slid off the runway like that one day. In the winter that seems to happen once or twice a month, but when it does happen the flights probably take longer delays than they do on a delay prone day in EWR even. The deicing in CLE cannot keep up with that banked hub.


User currently offlineSpdBrdConcorde From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

In my book CO604..JAX-EWR ...is always delayed and i mean always...i feel bad for the bag and people connecting onwards to europe or india..fly 604 and spend a night In EWR on CO...lol...

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