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Air Tahiti Nui And EU/US Open Skies  
User currently offlineRwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

One quick thought that just came to me...will the EU/US Open Skies agreement put huge pressure on Air Tahiti Nui? Any airline from the US and EU can now operate flights from Tahiti to any destination in the US...or is it too small and not have enough business travellers to make it interesting?

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

For starters, I am not sure how the US/EU open skies will effect the many French territories, as they are not subject to EU legislation in many respects and have own governing bodies, including aviation policies for some such as those in the Caribbean.

Anyhow, pretty much any airline that wishes to operate to French Polynesia can do so today. Its simply too small a market which is why people such as Qantas and now most recently Air New Zealand dropped the route. The sole US carrier --Hawaiian Air only has a mere single weekly flight on Saturdays to the islands.

[Edited 2007-04-24 18:01:04]


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4136 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
Anyhow, pretty much any airline that wishes to operate to French Polynesia can do so today. Its simply too small a market which is why people such as Qantas and now most recently Air New Zealand dropped the route. The sole US carrier --Hawaiian Air only has a mere single weekly flight on Saturdays to the islands.

Aside from TN, does AF also operate LAX-PPT? I think the biggest marketing mistake TN has made is trying to get JFK-PPT to work. I've long felt that SFO-PPT or even YVR-PPT would work better for them since Tahiti is much more of a west coast niche tourist market from North America.



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

US-Tahiti (and New Caledonia) is included in the current US-France open skies. The only change is that any EU airline can fly from these Territories to the US. US rights are not affected (as they weren't restricted)

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
does AF also operate LAX-PPT?

Yes, 4x per week for the Northern summer.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
TN has made is trying to get JFK-PPT to work.

Agree with you. From all indications they have struggled in NY, most recently having reduced the service to twice weekly.

As you state Tahiti is much more a West Coast'ers destination. As is even Hawaii has more limited appeal from the East Coast having the Caribbean so much closer, let alone fly 12 hours all the way to French Polynesia.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4136 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
Yes, 4x per week for the Northern summer.

 checkmark  Since it is their dry season, much as November-April is for Hawaii and the Caribbean.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
As you state Tahiti is much more a West Coast'ers destination. As is even Hawaii has more limited appeal from the East Coast having the Caribbean so much closer, let alone fly 12 hours all the way to French Polynesia.

BIG  checkmark  ! Just purely hypothetical since I'd need to research it on the Great Circle mapper site, but isn't Europe closer to the Maldives than the East Coast of North America to Hawaii? Hence part of my argument that alternating service between PPT-SFO/PPT-YVR would work better for TN. NYC-JFK is too much market size focus and just takes too long to build up.
Another geographical anomaly that throws many people is how much further Hawaii is from even fairly far west in North America than say the Dominican Republic from the Caribbean. Two years ago a former girlfriend from Canada (a friend of my wife however  laughing  --how I met my wife!) did YYC-POP for 2.5 weeks and pointed out that POP is an hour closer to SLC than HNL, OGG or KOA are!



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