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SIA: LHR - Usa? No Way!  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

For about twelve years so far, Singapore AIrlines Ltd. have asked the British Governement for permission to fly from LHR - USA. All British carriers have "fifth freedom rights" (Whatever they are), to fly from LHR-SIN-places like Australia.

The governemnt says they won't allow SIA to fly until they have finished their own open-skies agreement. But wait, the US authorities have already granted SIA permission so the UK is getting in the way. Air India fly a daily service from LHR - JFK.

The British Government is being unfair.

What do you think????????


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24909 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

The UK Government sucks. Why don't SQ fly from MAN-JFK until they get permission to fly LHR-JFK?


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

I will put that to SIA. They do fly MAn - BOMBAY. But yo usee, LHR has a much bigger market than MAn and currently, pepople who use SIA's SIN - JFK say that they prefer to transit in LHR than in FRA>


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineNycank From United States of America, joined May 2000, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Singapore_Air: Are you saying that SQ is now flying MAN-BOM non-stop ? or
is this via SIN ?


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24909 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

MAN-Singapore is flown daily. Some days it is flown via Paris CDG and other days its flown via Bombay.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineConair From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

MAN- SIN is flown daily, 3 times a week via Amsterdam 2 a week via Bombay and once a week each from both Paris & Zurich. This is for winter 2000

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Quote from Singapore Airlines timtable

SQ333: MAN - CDG - SIN (Monday)
SQ345: MAN - ZRH - SIN (Tuesday)
SQ327: MAN - BOM - SIN (Thursday
SQ327: MAN - AMS - SIN (Wed - Fri - Sun)
Where's Saturday?



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

Hmm.. no offense. Seems that the British government is jeolous of SIA. It was voted best scheduled airline... and BA was far back. Maybe they want to protect BA??? As Air India can't compete much with BA... BA is much better but SIA is a big rival.

Don't be offended... it's just my 2 cents worth

Alvin  



Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

I think this arrangement is a sham. What i dont understand is this. i have been told that Singapore has granted some rights to BA about picking passengers up in Singapore and taking them to other countires. Since SN is having a very very difficult getting those rights from LHR, cant Singapore revoke the rights from BA until SN gets the LHR-USA rights.To me it would seem to be the fair way.

User currently offlinePlane holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

The Fifth right: Freedom to pick up and transport passengers and their baggage, mail and cargo to every other destination, and to drop off ....from every other country. ...Not all governments have accepted all five freedom rights. The fifth right is purely commercial....so I agree with Mr. BA..

PH-ARJAN


User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

I personally, and this is just my opinion, would not want to see another airline fly from the US to LHR until more US carriers, such as Delta and Continental get that right.


A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
User currently offlineConair From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

Singapore Air
Saturdays flight is SQ327 MAN-BOM-SIN, all flight,s seem to come inbound from different destinations on each flt, eg the Saturday morning inbound flt routes SIN-AMS-MAN


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1406 times:

ah-men to CAETravlr

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

Mr.BA: I am not offended, but pleased, a lot. However, I am surprised that you would say such a thing about your fav airline.

CAE Traveller: Oh well

Another note. British Midland are trying to fly to the US from LHR as well. I guess they'll have to wait as well then.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

Hello Singapore_air,

Well, that's just my thoughts. And that's what I really think. I don't think that BA is bad... neither is SIA. I really don't know what the British Government is thinking. Our Singapore government has already given BA rights to fly freely into Singapore and now BA regards here as a small hub.

My 2 cents worth 

Alvin



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User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

That is a shame as i think alot of people will fly SQ to JFK from LHR. BA is just jealous and scared that SQ will get the passengers and they won't as SQ is a better airline than BA.
Cheers
mikey  


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

AirnewZealand,

Well, BA said that if the deal goes through and SIA was llowed to fly from LHR to the US, it welcomes the competition. Let's see.

Alvin



Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Yes Mr.BA, let's see. Well actually we won't for a long time. I shouldn't have voted for Labour. I'll vote Green next time.


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1836 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

Singapore_Air - if you are 13, as your profile states, you would have been 10 at the time of the last general election.

The date for voting in the UK is your 18th Birthday.

Care to explain?


User currently offlineCathay250 From Hong Kong, joined Aug 1999, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

Hello everyone

I just want to ask why you think a SIA LHR-JKF is needed? Why these two city need a sinaporean airline to link between them?


User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Singapore_Air,

I am not sure what you meant by "oh well". However, I think about it from a much bigger picture than seeing an airline I like get a cool route. There are many economic and political factors that make me think it would suck to see another airline get that route, with US airlines still having to wait on these negotiations between the US and UK govs, which seems to be a joke at the moment. Think about it, most of our major carriers cannot fly from our own country to LHR, but another airline can stop here in the US and pick up pax, and then fly to LHR? What kind of slap in the face is that for our airlines.

Now, just so you know, I love SIA, at least from what I have heard about them, and an dying for the next available opportunity to get onboard one of their aircraft for a longhaul flight. I want to experience the service that has gotten a lot of people referring to them as the best airline in the world. This is to say that it is nothing against SIA, but it is in defense of our own carriers.

CAETravlr

P.S. - If they want to fly from anywhere in the US to LGW, that would be just great.



A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

If SQ wants to fly from Decatur,IL or Decatur,GA to LGW and onwards to SIN it is still not right. LGW is NOT an open airport under the Bermuda II agreement. A locallly based US/UK carrier is not allowed to fly from any US or UK city to LGW or LHR so why should some third party airline from some other country be allowed these rights? Who cares that BA has a pseudohub in Singapore and can do whatever they want, that is what their respective governments have agreed to in past negotiations. It doesn't give SQ the right to fly from the UK to anywhere in the US. Who cares if somebody thinks it would be "cool" to have SQ flights from JFK to LHR. While I do agree that SQ is one of the best but until the local carriers from the US/UK are allowed to have these route authorities SQ and any others not from the US/UK can stay the heck out.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Oh well

Eg777ER: I am 15 actually (26 Nov) and I just tell my parents who to vote for. You see, I follow stuff, they bring in the money (not a nice phrase but it's brief. Iam sure you know what i mean). Oh and Hello again.

CAEtraveller: Lovely. I agree. The UK Governement is trying to protect BA somehow, although it is bizarre as what helps the government if they protect BA?? I think, that no one controls the air so they can sling their hooks. Whatever airline, be it SQ, AI, VS, AA, UA, CO, US, SW, etc... wants to fly from US - LHR, they should have the right to do so (as long as there's enough air and airport space). Lovely

Do SIA advertise in the US?

Nodownloackesd: Well if that's what you think fine. But look at it here. If it's two ways then it's fair. And why shouldn't the British people be given a choice of just 4/5??

If one wants to know more then visit www.singaporeair.co.uk and then the Transatlantic Choice section.

Oh and you'll be pleased to know they've just been refused permission... again.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineMegatop747-412 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Just another point to add (tho not directly related to the thread's topic), I think SIA is kind of frustrated of not getting such right (LHR-US), that they actually acquired a 49% stake in Virgin instead last year. Seemd that they'll be offering SIN-US via LHR with code-share on VS's LHR-US flight soon - I know to the pax who choose to fly SIA all the way, having VS taking up the LHR-US routes is different from getting on an SIA plane on the sector, but I think on the business sense that's perhaps best for SIA right now...

Just my 2cents thots...


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

SIA shouldn't be upset for not getting the rights to fly that lucrative route. If they honestly thought they stood a chance, they must have been on some serious drug. SIA is brining up this issue because they've got nothing to lose. What does Britain stand to gain from giving away such right? Simply put, NONE. Sure, say BA is allowed to fly from Singapore to US in exchange for rights to LHR to US- Britain's stupid to make that trade.

25 GUNDU : Singapore has let BA/QF have a hub in SIN to compete with SIA,who also hubs in SIN.In a way,that isn't fair.And Cathay250,they want the route as it is
26 Jaysit : BA and the BAA are a virtual cartel when it comes to control of london Heathrow. It's a disgrace. The US govt. and American carriers have to some degr
27 G-KIRAN : In my opinion I dont see why the British Government should give away rights to America to SIA,while serveal other US airlines and British Midland dont
28 Singapore_Air : G-KIRAN: "SQ is not the 1st choice that comes to your mind for LHR-JFK,is it. " Well it does to me actually "You might say that SQ the best service,bu
29 Singapore_Air : Extract: The United Kingdom government has rejected Singapore Airlines (SIA)'s bid to operate direct flights from London to New York An all-party parl
30 G-KIRAN : BG is Biman Bangladesh G-KIRAN: "SQ is not the 1st choice that comes to your mind for LHR-JFK,is it. " You and me and many other people in this forum
31 Singapore_Air : "To the average layman in Britain SQ wont be the 1st airline to spring to mind when he/she contemplates their trip due to the fact its not a British o
32 Singapore_Air : "To the average layman in Britain SQ wont be the 1st airline to spring to mind when he/she contemplates their trip due to the fact its not a British o
33 Avion : About Singapore letting BA have a hub there. If Singapore would withdraw the rights BA would happily move the flights to KL or BKK. They would be welc
34 Capt.Picard : Slight deviation, but are SQ hoping to fly Singapore-East Coast USA, and if so, with which a/c?? Of course, they would ALSO want to fly via LHR, so as
35 Lowfareair : The UK government has been BSing us for years with the "two airlines from US and UK can go to LHR". Now British Midland wants to start flights there,
36 Cathay250 : Hey Gundu, SIA want to operate this route since they think it 's lucrative? so an airline just simply can operate every route they want once they thin
37 Singapore_Air : About CX flying from SIA - LHR, why not? Why don't they give it a try! "so an airline just simply can operate every route they want once they think it
38 G-KIRAN : Cathay250:The reason why SIA want to fly LHR-JFK is because they want to make more cash any airline would do the same,so I dont get what you are tryin
39 G-KIRAN : Singapore air:something I forgot.BG is would you believe it Biman Bangladesh!I think something funny is going on here as well.How can John Prescott gi
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