Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13722 posts, RR: 20 Posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1489 times:
For about twelve years so far, Singapore AIrlines Ltd. have asked the British Governement for permission to fly from LHR - USA. All British carriers have "fifth freedom rights" (Whatever they are), to fly from LHR-SIN-places like Australia.
The governemnt says they won't allow SIA to fly until they have finished their own open-skies agreement. But wait, the US authorities have already granted SIA permission so the UK is getting in the way. Air India fly a daily service from LHR - JFK.
Mr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22 Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1290 times:
Hmm.. no offense. Seems that the British government is jeolous of SIA. It was voted best scheduled airline... and BA was far back. Maybe they want to protect BA??? As Air India can't compete much with BA... BA is much better but SIA is a big rival.
747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1284 times:
I think this arrangement is a sham. What i dont understand is this. i have been told that Singapore has granted some rights to BA about picking passengers up in Singapore and taking them to other countires. Since SN is having a very very difficult getting those rights from LHR, cant Singapore revoke the rights from BA until SN gets the LHR-USA rights.To me it would seem to be the fair way.
Plane holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 440 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1277 times:
The Fifth right: Freedom to pick up and transport passengers and their baggage, mail and cargo to every other destination, and to drop off ....from every other country. ...Not all governments have accepted all five freedom rights. The fifth right is purely commercial....so I agree with Mr. BA..
Mr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22 Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1180 times:
Well, that's just my thoughts. And that's what I really think. I don't think that BA is bad... neither is SIA. I really don't know what the British Government is thinking. Our Singapore government has already given BA rights to fly freely into Singapore and now BA regards here as a small hub.
CAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 907 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1139 times:
I am not sure what you meant by "oh well". However, I think about it from a much bigger picture than seeing an airline I like get a cool route. There are many economic and political factors that make me think it would suck to see another airline get that route, with US airlines still having to wait on these negotiations between the US and UK govs, which seems to be a joke at the moment. Think about it, most of our major carriers cannot fly from our own country to LHR, but another airline can stop here in the US and pick up pax, and then fly to LHR? What kind of slap in the face is that for our airlines.
Now, just so you know, I love SIA, at least from what I have heard about them, and an dying for the next available opportunity to get onboard one of their aircraft for a longhaul flight. I want to experience the service that has gotten a lot of people referring to them as the best airline in the world. This is to say that it is nothing against SIA, but it is in defense of our own carriers.
P.S. - If they want to fly from anywhere in the US to LGW, that would be just great.
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
Notdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 919 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1131 times:
If SQ wants to fly from Decatur,IL or Decatur,GA to LGW and onwards to SIN it is still not right. LGW is NOT an open airport under the Bermuda II agreement. A locallly based US/UK carrier is not allowed to fly from any US or UK city to LGW or LHR so why should some third party airline from some other country be allowed these rights? Who cares that BA has a pseudohub in Singapore and can do whatever they want, that is what their respective governments have agreed to in past negotiations. It doesn't give SQ the right to fly from the UK to anywhere in the US. Who cares if somebody thinks it would be "cool" to have SQ flights from JFK to LHR. While I do agree that SQ is one of the best but until the local carriers from the US/UK are allowed to have these route authorities SQ and any others not from the US/UK can stay the heck out.
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13722 posts, RR: 20 Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1127 times:
Eg777ER: I am 15 actually (26 Nov) and I just tell my parents who to vote for. You see, I follow stuff, they bring in the money (not a nice phrase but it's brief. Iam sure you know what i mean). Oh and Hello again.
CAEtraveller: Lovely. I agree. The UK Governement is trying to protect BA somehow, although it is bizarre as what helps the government if they protect BA?? I think, that no one controls the air so they can sling their hooks. Whatever airline, be it SQ, AI, VS, AA, UA, CO, US, SW, etc... wants to fly from US - LHR, they should have the right to do so (as long as there's enough air and airport space). Lovely
Do SIA advertise in the US?
Nodownloackesd: Well if that's what you think fine. But look at it here. If it's two ways then it's fair. And why shouldn't the British people be given a choice of just 4/5??
If one wants to know more then visit www.singaporeair.co.uk and then the Transatlantic Choice section.
Oh and you'll be pleased to know they've just been refused permission... again.
Megatop747-412 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 259 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1114 times:
Just another point to add (tho not directly related to the thread's topic), I think SIA is kind of frustrated of not getting such right (LHR-US), that they actually acquired a 49% stake in Virgin instead last year. Seemd that they'll be offering SIN-US via LHR with code-share on VS's LHR-US flight soon - I know to the pax who choose to fly SIA all the way, having VS taking up the LHR-US routes is different from getting on an SIA plane on the sector, but I think on the business sense that's perhaps best for SIA right now...
Watewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1110 times:
SIA shouldn't be upset for not getting the rights to fly that lucrative route. If they honestly thought they stood a chance, they must have been on some serious drug. SIA is brining up this issue because they've got nothing to lose. What does Britain stand to gain from giving away such right? Simply put, NONE. Sure, say BA is allowed to fly from Singapore to US in exchange for rights to LHR to US- Britain's stupid to make that trade.
25 GUNDU: Singapore has let BA/QF have a hub in SIN to compete with SIA,who also hubs in SIN.In a way,that isn't fair.And Cathay250,they want the route as it is
26 Jaysit: BA and the BAA are a virtual cartel when it comes to control of london Heathrow. It's a disgrace. The US govt. and American carriers have to some degr
27 G-KIRAN: In my opinion I dont see why the British Government should give away rights to America to SIA,while serveal other US airlines and British Midland dont
28 Singapore_Air: G-KIRAN: "SQ is not the 1st choice that comes to your mind for LHR-JFK,is it. " Well it does to me actually "You might say that SQ the best service,bu
29 Singapore_Air: Extract: The United Kingdom government has rejected Singapore Airlines (SIA)'s bid to operate direct flights from London to New York An all-party parl
30 G-KIRAN: BG is Biman Bangladesh G-KIRAN: "SQ is not the 1st choice that comes to your mind for LHR-JFK,is it. " You and me and many other people in this forum
31 Singapore_Air: "To the average layman in Britain SQ wont be the 1st airline to spring to mind when he/she contemplates their trip due to the fact its not a British o
32 Singapore_Air: "To the average layman in Britain SQ wont be the 1st airline to spring to mind when he/she contemplates their trip due to the fact its not a British o
33 Avion: About Singapore letting BA have a hub there. If Singapore would withdraw the rights BA would happily move the flights to KL or BKK. They would be welc
34 Capt.Picard: Slight deviation, but are SQ hoping to fly Singapore-East Coast USA, and if so, with which a/c?? Of course, they would ALSO want to fly via LHR, so as
35 Lowfareair: The UK government has been BSing us for years with the "two airlines from US and UK can go to LHR". Now British Midland wants to start flights there,
36 Cathay250: Hey Gundu, SIA want to operate this route since they think it 's lucrative? so an airline just simply can operate every route they want once they thin
37 Singapore_Air: About CX flying from SIA - LHR, why not? Why don't they give it a try! "so an airline just simply can operate every route they want once they think it
38 G-KIRAN: Cathay250:The reason why SIA want to fly LHR-JFK is because they want to make more cash any airline would do the same,so I dont get what you are tryin
39 G-KIRAN: Singapore air:something I forgot.BG is would you believe it Biman Bangladesh!I think something funny is going on here as well.How can John Prescott gi