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User currently offlineSndp From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 553 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

According to the Belgian Newspaper De Standaard KLM and Sabena are talking about cooperation, initially on the flights between Brussels and Schiphol and maybe for flights to Johannesburg, a destination to which Sabena won't fly anymore as from next year because of high losses on the route. The talks were confirmed by a press officer of KLM. Previously there have been rumours about a tie-up between KLM and the SAir Group after the collapse of first the cooperation between KLM and Alitalia and later after the collapse of the talks between KL and BA.
sndp

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User currently offlineFLY 8 From Austria, joined Dec 2000, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

Yes I heard the same! KLM is breaking their connections to Eurowings caus`it´s no working with Lufthansa!
KLM is looking for a Partner! The SAir Group would be the best joice! For KLM and the SAirgroup! We the daughter of KLM ( KLMalps) are have started now cochare flights with Crossair into Zurich. And we are looking forward to get in touch with Swissair!

Best regards,
Benjamin



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User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

KLM/Qualiflyer sounds very very good. The Asian partner MAS would be perfect too. But what do they do with their American partners? KLM won't give up NW...


User currently onlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

The american partner is the main problem. KLM won't give up NW and Swissair won't leave AA in favour of NW.

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

Leave it to us American's to be the stickler in every partnership involving KLM   I think SAir will have a much easier time leaving AA then KL would with NW if something is to materialise. KLM is apparantly desparate to pair up with someone, first AZ, then BA, and now SN. Hopefully, third time's a charm.

LH423



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User currently offlinePlane holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

I don't know why KLM is anxious to cooperate with a European airline...look at Skyteam..KLM/NW/MH!!!! they're almost there don't you think? The routenetwork is extensive ..the only thing left to do..build up a bigger network. KLM more European /East Euro and North African destinations. NW more South/MID Atlantic/South Pacific and MH more destinations in the Far East..then you have the same thing..

should work great, I know enough about the structure within KLM to say they should learn from the past as they seem to forget and focus on other things to survive


User currently onlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

Plane holland: At the moment Malaisian is not with KLM. SAir Group for example has close talks with the Malaisian Governement about buying shares.

User currently offlineFLY 8 From Austria, joined Dec 2000, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

Malaisian is a partner of KLM!!!


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User currently offlinePlane holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

ZRH: You're right..I wanted to point out that KLM does not need a Euro Airline but should look global..they're codesharing at the moment and this works out great ..so this would be a strategic (future) partner...but that's also for SAIR Group.



User currently offlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1183 times:

KLM has a realy great alliance.
Northwest in the USA, Malaysia in Asia (they have several code-shared flights), Air Kenia in Africa.

I think KLM should look for a South American Airline e.g. Aerolineas Argentinas or how about VASP?

And now Eurowings is splitting up with KLM so they can serve LH I think KLM may look for a new partner in Germany or erect a new affiliate company called KLM Deutschland.


User currently offlinePlane holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1179 times:

KLM has a codeshare-agreement with Transbrasil And Vasp within Brazil and KL flies to LIM/GYE/UIO/CCS/BUE/SAO/PBM and Dutch Antilles. I think they are well presented in South ATL.

User currently onlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

It is of course correct that KLM code-shares with Malasian but Swissair also has code-share with Malasian between Zurich and Kuala Lumpur.

User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

SAir's informatic company Atraxis just steped into the Malaysian market. They do (from next year) all the IT problems which MAS has...that's not just peanuts! For me Swissair and KLM are about equal MAS partners.

User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1126 times:

It suddenly becomes obvious:
AA and NW Will merge as already rumoured and planned by AA.
KLM will join Qualiflier
MAS joins Qualiflier so they also keep their ties with KLM.
KLM and Sabena have always had good ties with the almost Merger in 1987 and 1989 (the latter together with BA).
Sabena will retain it's flights to Africa, that is it's speciality, KLM is very big in South America, Asia and middle East, 3 regions where Sabena and indeed Qualiflier is weak. KLMUK would give Qualiflier the needed presence in the UK.



Shiek!
User currently onlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1126 times:

A330: Your idea is not bad, but one correction: Swissair is not week in middle east and asia at all. In fact it is quite strong and has many flights to asia, for exampla: twice daily to Japan, twice daily to India, daily to china, Hong-Kong, Singapore, Bankok and many more flights.

User currently offlineSndp From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1117 times:

If it is indeed true that there will be cooperation between AA and NW then this idea has got a future. But will AA leave OneWorlf dor this alliance?
sndp


User currently offlineSndp From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

If it is indeed true that there will be cooperation between AA and NW then this idea has got a future. But will AA leave OneWorld for this alliance?
sndp


User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1099 times:

If AA/NW would go through I'm quite sure that AA would leave OneWorld. Just have a closer look at this alliance:
Swissair, Sabena, KLM, TAP, LOT,...
AA, NW
SAA, Kenya Airways
Lan Chile, Transbrasil/TAM
MAS, JAS, CX?

What do you want more?


User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

If AA/NW would go through I'm quite sure that AA would leave OneWorld. Just have a closer look at this alliance:
Swissair, Sabena, KLM, TAP, LOT,...
AA, NW
SAA, Kenya Airways
Lan Chile, Transbrasil/TAM
MAS, JAS, CX?

What do you want more?


User currently onlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

I like this alliance. It would be a strong compeditor to Star. Perhaps one could add JAL to it.

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