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AN-12 Quad Prop Flying MIA-SEA, 9hr 35min, FL280?  
User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Came across this while messing around on Flightaware, checkout TWN9245, an AN-12 currently enroute (as of 1am eastern-time) MIA-SEA, approximately 9hr 30min flight for this quad-turboprop russian aircraft.

I've always thought most russian airliners were banned from flying here in the USA? I understand many of the modern ones (such as the Myria) are allowed, though an AN-12?

Presumably its reg # UK-11418, which, per photos in the database, looks like a scrungy ole aircraft. FL280 is one hell of a high altitude for that old beast as it cruises over DEN as I type this.


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Likely one of the longest turboprop flights here in the USA at about 9hr 30min-10hrs, and highest flying (FL280)? At least that i've seen. Hell a little higher and perhaps it'll giveoff 4 little contrails in the sky  laughing 

Anyone know whats the deal with this aircraft flying MIA-SEA? Perhaps for a museum? Looks like it left OPF for MIA, likely refueled, then departed for SEA.


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

That one has looked semi-derelict for over a year and the paint has deteriorated quickly in the 6 it has operated in the tropical sun. Not sure what Avialeasing transports in domestic US flights, they usually fly from S.Florida to the Caribbean.

This is the one that's flying now:


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[Edited 2007-04-25 07:54:33]

User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

The AN-12 is a very rugged workhorse and will haul 20 ton of cargo where ever the clients need it.

The FAA must be happy with the safty issues of they wouldn't have certified it to operate in the USA.



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

The aircraft is Ukrainian registered, not Russian and, though it was built in the Soviet era, Antonov has always been based in the Ukraine so, strictly, it is a Ukrainian design. The service ceiling is 33,000 feet (10,000 metres) and whilst the type is rare in the US it is a workhorse in both eastern and western Europe and is a joy to see and hear.

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12505 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4595 times:
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It's very rare to see an An-12 that doesn't look like it's ready for the scrap heap. They are noisy and dirty, but they go on and on and on and on. Us old-uns love them! old 

You young whippersnappers can keep your 737s with winglets and leave the real planes to us! yes 



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1876 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
You young whippersnappers can keep your 737s with winglets and leave the real planes to us! 

Amen to that, brother!!
Antonov turboprops rock!! Hell - anything driven by propeller rock!! Nothing beats the noise and vibration of the propeller-driven aircraft. If you haven't flown on one, you haven't flown for real!!



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 6):
Antonov turboprops rock!! Hell - anything driven by propeller rock!! Nothing beats the noise and vibration of the propeller-driven aircraft.

Exactly.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 6):
If you haven't flown on one, you haven't flown for real!!

Does a TAROM IL-18 in 1973 come close?


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1876 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Quoting Philb (Reply 7):
Does a TAROM IL-18 in 1973 come close?

That's as close as it gets!!
Add to that some bush-flying in a mother of all biplanes - the An-2 Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin

aaah, the memories...  cloudnine 



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12505 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4484 times:
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Quoting Philb (Reply 7):
Does a TAROM IL-18 in 1973 come close?

Hell yes!  drool 

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 8):
Add to that some bush-flying in a mother of all biplanes - the An-2

Oh I love it when we talk dirty!  wink 

I can't manage an Il-18, but I do have a DC-6 and an An-2 under my belt. Not literally, as that would make my trousers very large indeed.



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Flew Constanta-Istanbul and return in September 1973. Took off at 06.30 local, thoroughly enjoyed the ride and rapid descent into Istanbul, but not the TAROM breakfast - bitter chocolate bar and tepid water!

The aircraft had 3 cockpit crews on board and spent part of the day crew training over the Black Sea before taking us back with boarding at 10 pm. We waited out a thunderstorm for 45 minutes next to a Transglobe CL44 - both of us with engines running, an amazing sight and sound - Tynes and Ivchenkos in harmony (!), had a great flight back to Constanta and made a very flat approach to the airport - very unusual for an IL-18.

Unfortunately the aircraft ws YR-IMK which crashed into the Red Sea operating a Hadj flight for egyptair in December 1974.


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

Quoting Warszawa (Thread starter):
and highest flying (FL280)?

The Starship and Avanti routinely fly that high or higher.


User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Now on its way to Los Cabos: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TWN9246

User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Some turboprops with service ceilings over 28,000 feet:

AN12 33,000
AN22 33,000
AN24 29,000
AN32 31,000
AN70 31,000
Atlantic 32,000
Beech C 90 29,000
Beech 200 35,000
Beech 300 35,000
Beech 350 35,000
Beech Starship 41,000
Beech 1900D 33,000
BAe ATP 29,000
C130 33,000
C160 30,000
Cessna 425 34,000
Cessna 441 37,000
DO 228 29,000
DO 328 31,000
EMB 120 32,000
Merlin 300 31,000
G222 29,000
Gulfstream 1 30,000
IL18 33,000
LET 610 33,000
MU 2 29,000
PC 9 38,000
PC 12 30,000
PA 42 35,000
PA 31T 32,000
SAAB 2000 31,000
Super Tucano 30,000

Source: DFS published data


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2435 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

TU-95 / TU-114 39,000'


Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

I wonder what the view would be like from 28000 ft. sitting in that rear gun turret position.


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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5641 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4016 times:

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 2):
The FAA must be happy with the safty issues of they wouldn't have certified it to operate in the USA.

It's not FAA certified! It does not have to be if it is operating an international service as it appears to be. It is registered & certified in the Ukrain, a member state of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), as is the USA, therefore its home certification is accepted by other members for international operations.

If a US airline was operating it that would be an entirely different matter.

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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 15):
I wonder what the view would be like from 28000 ft. sitting in that rear gun turret position.

The Navigater gets the best view, he lies between the pilots and looks out of the glass dome on the nose....



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5413 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 16):
It's not FAA certified! It does not have to be if it is operating an international service as it appears to be. It is registered & certified in the Ukrain, a member state of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), as is the USA, therefore its home certification is accepted by other members for international operations.

Well, maybe not 'certified', but certainly FAA approved. FAR Part 129 specifically applies to foreign operators using foreign registered aircraft within US airspace. Opspecs must be approved by the FAA and inspections and requirements may be above that required by the home certification (strengthened cockpit doors for pax ops is one example).

Jimbo



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User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting Visityyj (Reply 12):
Now on its way to Los Cabos

Taking an Alaska 737 engine to SJD for A/C I believe 317.. AS must be paying a pretty penny for this Fix. ouch!


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Quoting Socalatc (Reply 19):
Taking an Alaska 737 engine to SJD for A/C I believe 317.. AS must be paying a pretty penny for this Fix. ouch!

I wonder why they didn't hire a local company to transport the engine.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9628 posts, RR: 68
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3698 times:
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who would have a plane large enough to transport a 737 engine, on an ad hoc basis?

User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 21):

Would a C-130 work if you're just shipping the engine itself with no cowling.

http://www.firstair.ca/Charters/fleet_info.html

Or 747Fs by Cargo360


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9628 posts, RR: 68
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3672 times:
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Cargo360 is only based in Seattle, they never fly here, and their planes are busy flying for Korean.

I'm sure for Alaska it came down to cost + avalability.


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 22):
Would a C-130 work if you're just shipping the engine itself with no cowling.

Who in the US has a C-130 available for a one off, time dependant, delivery of outsize cargo? What is your problem with a foreign carrier doing the job?


User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

I remember a LONG time ago AS flew a 737-200 freighter down to Mexico from ANC I believe to replace a MD-80 engine, however due to the lack of cargo a/c and high demand I guess thats not an option anymore. I think they stopped it at LAX for fuel.

25 IAH777 : We see the Avialeasing Antonov in IAH on occasion. Always from MIA.
26 CV580Freak : Even an AOG situation like this would have some cost implications but I doubt that an ad-hoc charter of this type would be found cheaper than the AN-1
27 Jayspilot : Regardless if the AN-12 wanted to fly higher then FL280 from MIA-SEA, RVSM starts at FL290 and I am sure that this airplane is not certified for rvsm
28 SkyexRamper : I don't have a problem, just seems like it would have been very expensive and took much longer to get the An-12 to fly as long as it did. Though to a
29 Philb : This time of year that Herc is pretty much employed on oil contracts and is unlikely to be able to take out 24 hours or more for the job AS needed doi
30 Post contains images Bond007 : I guess we might assume that AS actually did some research .... and low and behold found the AN-12 to be the best fit for their timeline and requireme
31 MIAMIx707 : Hearing that one DC-7 in vintage AA colors take off from OPF and oh! the sound. Simply beautiful.
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