Warszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 726 posts, RR: 7 Posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3939 times:
Came across this while messing around on Flightaware, checkout TWN9245, an AN-12 currently enroute (as of 1am eastern-time) MIA-SEA, approximately 9hr 30min flight for this quad-turboprop russian aircraft.
I've always thought most russian airliners were banned from flying here in the USA? I understand many of the modern ones (such as the Myria) are allowed, though an AN-12?
Presumably its reg # UK-11418, which, per photos in the database, looks like a scrungy ole aircraft. FL280 is one hell of a high altitude for that old beast as it cruises over DEN as I type this.
Likely one of the longest turboprop flights here in the USA at about 9hr 30min-10hrs, and highest flying (FL280)? At least that i've seen. Hell a little higher and perhaps it'll giveoff 4 little contrails in the sky
Anyone know whats the deal with this aircraft flying MIA-SEA? Perhaps for a museum? Looks like it left OPF for MIA, likely refueled, then departed for SEA.
Flying a plane is no diff. from riding a bicycle. Its just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -'Airplane'
MIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3909 times:
That one has looked semi-derelict for over a year and the paint has deteriorated quickly in the 6 it has operated in the tropical sun. Not sure what Avialeasing transports in domestic US flights, they usually fly from S.Florida to the Caribbean.
Philb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3750 times:
The aircraft is Ukrainian registered, not Russian and, though it was built in the Soviet era, Antonov has always been based in the Ukraine so, strictly, it is a Ukrainian design. The service ceiling is 33,000 feet (10,000 metres) and whilst the type is rare in the US it is a workhorse in both eastern and western Europe and is a joy to see and hear.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11350 posts, RR: 50 Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3616 times:
It's very rare to see an An-12 that doesn't look like it's ready for the scrap heap. They are noisy and dirty, but they go on and on and on and on. Us old-uns love them!
You young whippersnappers can keep your 737s with winglets and leave the real planes to us!
BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1701 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3579 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5): You young whippersnappers can keep your 737s with winglets and leave the real planes to us!
Amen to that, brother!!
Antonov turboprops rock!! Hell - anything driven by propeller rock!! Nothing beats the noise and vibration of the propeller-driven aircraft. If you haven't flown on one, you haven't flown for real!!
Philb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3566 times:
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 6): Antonov turboprops rock!! Hell - anything driven by propeller rock!! Nothing beats the noise and vibration of the propeller-driven aircraft.
Exactly.
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 6): If you haven't flown on one, you haven't flown for real!!
Philb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3483 times:
Flew Constanta-Istanbul and return in September 1973. Took off at 06.30 local, thoroughly enjoyed the ride and rapid descent into Istanbul, but not the TAROM breakfast - bitter chocolate bar and tepid water!
The aircraft had 3 cockpit crews on board and spent part of the day crew training over the Black Sea before taking us back with boarding at 10 pm. We waited out a thunderstorm for 45 minutes next to a Transglobe CL44 - both of us with engines running, an amazing sight and sound - Tynes and Ivchenkos in harmony (!), had a great flight back to Constanta and made a very flat approach to the airport - very unusual for an IL-18.
Unfortunately the aircraft ws YR-IMK which crashed into the Red Sea operating a Hadj flight for egyptair in December 1974.
Yellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3094 times:
I wonder what the view would be like from 28000 ft. sitting in that rear gun turret position.
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Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5216 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3037 times:
Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 2): The FAA must be happy with the safty issues of they wouldn't have certified it to operate in the USA.
It's not FAA certified! It does not have to be if it is operating an international service as it appears to be. It is registered & certified in the Ukrain, a member state of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), as is the USA, therefore its home certification is accepted by other members for international operations.
If a US airline was operating it that would be an entirely different matter.
Bond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2863 times:
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 16): It's not FAA certified! It does not have to be if it is operating an international service as it appears to be. It is registered & certified in the Ukrain, a member state of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), as is the USA, therefore its home certification is accepted by other members for international operations.
Well, maybe not 'certified', but certainly FAA approved. FAR Part 129 specifically applies to foreign operators using foreign registered aircraft within US airspace. Opspecs must be approved by the FAA and inspections and requirements may be above that required by the home certification (strengthened cockpit doors for pax ops is one example).
Jimbo
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Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2719 times:
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who would have a plane large enough to transport a 737 engine, on an ad hoc basis?
Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2693 times:
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Cargo360 is only based in Seattle, they never fly here, and their planes are busy flying for Korean.
I'm sure for Alaska it came down to cost + avalability.
Philb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2647 times:
Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 22): Would a C-130 work if you're just shipping the engine itself with no cowling.
Who in the US has a C-130 available for a one off, time dependant, delivery of outsize cargo? What is your problem with a foreign carrier doing the job?
Socalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 509 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2620 times:
I remember a LONG time ago AS flew a 737-200 freighter down to Mexico from ANC I believe to replace a MD-80 engine, however due to the lack of cargo a/c and high demand I guess thats not an option anymore. I think they stopped it at LAX for fuel.
If it aint Boeing, I aint going!!
25 IAH777: We see the Avialeasing Antonov in IAH on occasion. Always from MIA.
26 CV580Freak: Even an AOG situation like this would have some cost implications but I doubt that an ad-hoc charter of this type would be found cheaper than the AN-1
27 Jayspilot: Regardless if the AN-12 wanted to fly higher then FL280 from MIA-SEA, RVSM starts at FL290 and I am sure that this airplane is not certified for rvsm
28 SkyexRamper: I don't have a problem, just seems like it would have been very expensive and took much longer to get the An-12 to fly as long as it did. Though to a
29 Philb: This time of year that Herc is pretty much employed on oil contracts and is unlikely to be able to take out 24 hours or more for the job AS needed doi
30 Bond007: I guess we might assume that AS actually did some research .... and low and behold found the AN-12 to be the best fit for their timeline and requireme
31 MIAMIx707: Hearing that one DC-7 in vintage AA colors take off from OPF and oh! the sound. Simply beautiful.
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