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SAS Cabin Crew On Strike Yet Again  
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Posted (6 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 9704 times:

Looks like SAS cabin crew are on strike again. This time it's SAS Denmark cabin crew. This is what, the 3rd time in less than a year now?  Yeah sure

What a joke

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4743564.html

Kris


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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 9643 times:

According to the news in Denmark SAS is contemplating taking the Cabin Attendants Union (CAU) to court.

SAS cabin attendants belong to some of the most priviliged employees in the business. They simply don't want to wake up from their sweet dream. It does hurt to face the reality of competition.

Someone... whoop their little arrogant behinds! ... after they have been fired.



Future flights: CPH-BRU; CPH-NRT-MNL; MNL-PVG-CPH; CPH-LAX
User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 9551 times:

What changes to their working conditions are they striking over? The article in the link doesn't mention.

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 9409 times:

Sadly they're just the latest in a bunch of workforces in Denmarkwho have been striking while their unions were negotiating new contracts with their employers. What the hell it's supposed to be good for, it's pretty hard to tell. If anything, this would put the employers in a stronger position  

[Edited 2007-04-25 16:49:20]

User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6289 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 9244 times:

Yeah, SAS Denmark is busy trying to earn the "Strike Trophy" away from Air France. This year they seem to be successful. It is of course very inconvenient for a lot of people. But it really doesn't have the same impact as in older days.

All those strikes have gradually reduced SAS to a far less important player in the Scandinavian airline business.

One impact of the strike is that last minute fares on other airlines skyrocket. And that effect will last for some time into the future. Business travellers looking forward to important trips will book at other airlines and rather pay a lot more on an LCC than they would normally pay at SAS. Just in order to play safe.

The LCC's operating from CPH will be laughing all way to the bank during the next week or two.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 9185 times:

They are cancelling at least 100 flights out of CPH tomorrow due to the illicit strike by the SAS Denmark Cabin Crew.

For the non-danes:
http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=4371308/

I would so love to see the problem makers being laid off.



Future flights: CPH-BRU; CPH-NRT-MNL; MNL-PVG-CPH; CPH-LAX
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 9148 times:

So far is all flights operated by SAS Denmark cancelled untill 2pm Thursday, which mean only 50% of the flight CPH-ARN (operated by SAS Sweden), those operated by Cimber and maybe a few Intercontinental flight will operate from CPH tomorrow

User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 9133 times:

I have friend at HEL working for SAS, she said SAS Denmark are driving them crazy with the strikes.... not easy to convince people that CPH works fine as a transit hub.

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 9051 times:

According to Tv2 teletext, one of the reasons they're on strike is to be allowed to have a greater influence on holiday planning. Apparently, most of them have had their holiday time placed in April, May & June, making it impossible to take a holiday at other times of the year.

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 9029 times:

Hmmm.....you voluntarily go to work in an industry that serves travellers during peak holiday periods. Then you complain about having to work during those busy periods. I have no sympathy. Find another job. Airlines jobs are 24/7/365. If you don't like it, leave.

User currently offlineTiago701 From Portugal, joined Jun 2006, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 9024 times:

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 4):
One impact of the strike is thatrnlastrnminute fares on other airlines skyrocket. And that effect willrnlast forrnsome time into the future. Business travellers lookingrnforward tornimportant trips will book at other airlines and ratherrnpay a lot morernon an LCC than they would normally pay at SAS. Justrnin order to playrnsafe.

The LCC's operating from CPH will be laughing all way to the bank during the next week or two.

It happened to me... Was in CPH last tuesday evening bound to LHR with SK which obviously didn't happen. So, my only option was to buy EasyJet to STN (last flight of the day to LON).

Regardless what happened i must say that I've had one the best flights ever. LHR - CPH the previous day (monday 23rd). Was my first flight with SK and I was very impressed both with the comfort and service onboard, simply excellent. Will definitely fly SK again.

Tiago


User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8925 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Thread starter):
This time it's SAS Denmark cabin crew

Its always SAS Denmark. And its pretty embarrasing. Just like Preben is saying as well. We are taking the Strike Trophy away from AF soon.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Thread starter):
This is what, the 3rd time in less than a year now?

That is actually correct. This is the 3rd time in 1 year.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8836 times:

And SAS Denmark have now cancelleld all flights out of CPH for the rest of the they.

SAS International will however operate all their intercontinental flight except for CPH-SEA


ANd most important: SAS DK has just announced that the during the day will send out letters to all the striking F/A telling them to return the access card, uniforms and parking permits

Source: (Only in Danish)
http://borsen.dk/nyhed/108386/


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8743 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 12):
F/A telling them to return the access card, uniforms and parking permits

This is good!! 3 strikes in a year!!! CPH should not be the main hub no more.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 9):
Hmmm.....you voluntarily go to work in an industry that serves travellers during peak holiday periods. Then you complain about having to work during those busy periods. I have no sympathy. Find another job. Airlines jobs are 24/7/365. If you don't like it, leave.

I agree with you 100%!!



It's not what u do,it's how u do it!
User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8713 times:

Quoting Tiago701 (Reply 10):
I was very impressed both with the comfort and service onboard, simply excellent. Will definitely fly SK again.

... are you sure that was SK you flew with???  Wink I assume it was not in economy, because the service in SK Y is non-existing!

When I was living in CPH - think it was around 3 years ago SK (cabin crew -again) strike blew my vacation! t Angry

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 9):
Hmmm.....you voluntarily go to work in an industry that serves travellers during peak holiday periods. Then you complain about having to work during those busy periods. I have no sympathy. Find another job. Airlines jobs are 24/7/365. If you don't like it, leave.

Amen to that!



I like driving backwards in the fog cause it doesn't remind me of anything - Chris Cornell
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

This is not only hurting SAS, but also one of the charter companies they fly for. Star Tours have 2500 customers flying with SAS on saturday, and if this gridlock remains, there's going to be trouble. Especially since the other LCC's operating from CPH have upped their prices quite significantly, some charging up to 3700 DKK (~€500) for flights of less than an hour.

User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8672 times:

Not again..!

As much as I appreciate my national airline, and as much as I generally appreciate the work of the SAS people, I can't help hating them in a situation like this! (But let's remember, it's not all of them who are on strike, and far from all of them agree with the strike)

Everytime things turn just a little bit positive for SAS, the staff goes on strike! What is their problem??!?!?! This is 2007, not 1985, Jan Carlzon, a protected environment and tickets to London going for DKK 6.000 o/w! GET REAL YOU LAZY BASTARDS (no offence to the many people at SAS who do not support this strike).

Nice move to send them all "nice" letters, and to get crew down from OSL and ARN to take care of the intercon though..!..

Grow up, get real and get back to work, NOW, you've got an airline to run.

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8597 times:

The strike is over and the F/A will return to their duties Friday morning.

However, no agreement has been made and the new deadline is Monday 30. April


User currently offlineTiago701 From Portugal, joined Jun 2006, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8557 times:

Quoting DABZF (Reply 14):
... are you sure that was SK you flew with??? Wink I assume it was not in economy, because the service in SK Y is non-existing!

Yeah, forgot to mention that i flew in C.


User currently offlineCPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8507 times:

The kids are back to work on friday! Wow, I feel really sorry for the cabin attendants, now they will only have a two-day weekend. Poor souls...


Last flight: SAW-CPH on H9 on 02/11/09 - Next Flights: 23/12/09 CPH-AAL on QI, 30/12/09 CPH-LHR on SK, 19/01/10 CPH-CDG-
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8503 times:

Quoting OYRJA (Reply 11):
Its always SAS Denmark. And its pretty embarrasing. Just like Preben is saying as well. We are taking the Strike Trophy away from AF soon.

I thought AZ was the leader?



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8463 times:

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 4):
Yeah, SAS Denmark is busy trying to earn the "Strike Trophy" away from Air France.

Not to overlook another solid contender for this trophy... Alitalia Wink


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8405 times:

Quoting DABZF (Reply 14):
Quoting Tiago701 (Reply 10):
I was very impressed both with the comfort and service onboard, simply excellent. Will definitely fly SK again.


... are you sure that was SK you flew with??? I assume it was not in economy, because the service in SK Y is non-existing!

Actually SAS's Y = Economy Extra where they serve free food and drinks, however at M which is economy do you have to pay for it.

SK has 3 classes on intra-European and Intercontinental flights (Business (C), Economy Extra (Y), and Economy (M)), and on intra-Scandinavian flight do they have 2, Eco Extra (Y) and Economy (M), while domestic flights are 1 class service (M)


User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8330 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 21):
Actually SAS's Y = Economy Extra where they serve free food and drinks, however at M which is economy do you have to pay for it.

...yeah sorry... of course I meant M in my earlier post...  sorry 

Does anybody know the result? Strike was about "unsuitable working conditions" and "inflexible vacation times" as far as I know!? It has also been mentioned that the strike was illegal... according to both SAS and the union (CAU)!?
If it was a strike arranged by the employees by themself without union support... they are even more stupid than I were able to imagine...



I like driving backwards in the fog cause it doesn't remind me of anything - Chris Cornell
User currently offlineOkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8307 times:

Quoting DABZF (Reply 23):

I think it is certainly not correct to strike if it is illegal. But this kind of action also goes to tell how frustrated the employees must be of their working conditions. I don't think anyone would strike just for nothing and especially as the consequenses of a strike, legal or illegal, are always severe. They really must feel like nothing matters as they are ready to do this. I don't like such comment as what DABZF said: "they are even more stupid than I were able to imagine..." Like it is all their fault. We shall remember, something has driven them to such desperate action! Or am I missing something here?


25 EBGflyer : AFAIK, it's only a fraction of the Cabin Attendants Union who are the troublemakers. Unfortunately, the chairman of CAU, Verner Lundtoft Jensen is amo
26 Someone83 : According to the rumours have quite alot of SK DKs flight attendants know resigned from CAU
27 Someone83 : SAS's CEO Mats Jansson have today announced that SAS Denmark will loose their monopoly between CPH and OSL due to the strikes and that they will incre
28 Scalebuilder : Your comment raises additional questions: how come it is only the cabin attendants in Denmark that chose to go on an illegal strike? Why do not colle
29 CPHGuard : You think it's time for terminations? Maybe you should consider what you are really saying, because you clearly have absolutely NO idea what you are
30 Someone83 : Not necessary, although unfortunately it is less likely, but SAS is allowed according to the law, to fire those that took part in the illegal strikes
31 CPHGuard : The thing is, that SAS will officially not lay anyone off due to the strike. They will do it because of what they call restructuring, and it will cer
32 Lemurs : Well that would make SAS the ignorant fools, not the poster who suggested firings...any rational person would fire the troublemakers who broke their
33 LaPaige : I'm cabin crew with SAS Sweden and have been employed by them for nearly ten years. SAS Denmark, not only the cabin crew department, is responsible fo
34 LaPaige : And yes, it is true SAS Danmark is loosing their traffic on CPH-OSL (all of those flights are as of today operated solely by SAS Denmark) and CPH-ARN
35 Scalebuilder : Actually I think your girlfriend should be among those to stay on. Why shouldn't she if she likes her job? I think this is the kind of employee that
36 Post contains links CPHGuard : I have to correct you on this one. Yesterday, the CEO of danish operations Susanne Larsen denied, that there would be any changes to the CPH-ARN rout
37 Kiramakora : They get 5 days off between long-haul flights!?!! Wow.
38 LaPaige : CPHGuard, according to the article she says she cannot comment what consequences the restructure may include. It remains to be seen what will happen.
39 Kevin777 : La Paige, welcome to a.net, and I am right behind you. I honestly feel ashamed of being Danish sometimes when I see how we behave in the SAS organiza
40 Scalebuilder : So why aren't they fired by now??
41 LaPaige : Kevin777, thank you for your welcoming! I remember that golden routing. I also remember a couple of pilots and cabin crew claiming they would need sev
42 Post contains images Kevin777 : What!?!??!!!!! Get real, people, DXB is hardly even intercon! This is crazy! Listening to stories like them above I really - seriously - think that t
43 Someone83 : And no is it official, SAS Norway will take over all the 13 daily return trips between OSL and CPH and SAS SE will take over all the 15 daily return t
44 LaPaige : Someone83, is it official? The chairman of the Cabin Attendans Union (CAU, the union for Danish SAS Cabin Crew) said that according to their contract
45 CPHGuard : Do you have a source, confirming this? As i stated in a previous post (with a link), the danish CEO Susanne Larsen, denied this only 3 days ago.
46 Post contains links LaPaige : CPHGuard, according to following article 200 cabin crew in Denmark will be terminated. http://www.standby.dk/4435.0.html?&t...i1[showUid]=23496&cHash=
47 Sandager : Well it is no news that the Swedish wished they controlled SAS 100% and had the main base in ARN. no news at all. That being said I do not sympathize
48 Post contains images Someone83 : With a 3x weekly, a 24hr stop is quite difficult
49 LaPaige : Someone83, read my entire post and you will see I was speaking about the number of days off after arrival back from DXB!
50 Someone83 : I know, and I totally agree with you that a 5 day break after an IC arrival is a joke, it is like getting a 5 days weekend! I just brought up DXB to
51 LaPaige : I missunderstood you, sorry! No, all destinations in America (EWR, ORD and SEA) are 24 hour layovers. It's different in Asia as several schedules are
52 Prebennorholm : Yes, it seems like it's official. And lay off of 200 Danish F/As! Huh, to me that already smells like the 74th strike in ten years can begin any mome
53 Someone83 : Think it's only ORD, EWR and IAD that are 24hr, at least for pilots, SEA is 48hr!
54 Post contains links LaPaige : Unfortunately! The Danish cabin crew feel the management is punishing them for their illegal strike, which obviously isn't the case according to the
55 LaPaige : My mistake! I confused SEA with IAD (how that was possible?). Destinations on the east coast are 24 hour layovers and west coast 48 hours.
56 Post contains images Someone83 : " target=_blank>http://www.affarsvarlden.se/art/172502). How can a strike in April affect the capacity for May-June? I could have understood that SAS
57 Post contains images SAS330GOT : I think it tragic how some people can drag a brand that is so well known and highly thought of in the scandinavian countries to the bottom of the sea.
58 Post contains links LaPaige : I assume it's an estimation! As for capacity, perhaps there are customers who have cancelled their reservations with SAS? As for not being concerned
59 LaPaige : SAS also acted too late by introducing destinations in Asia, which might be the main reason as to why many people choose to fly with Finnair. SAS sho
60 Post contains images SAS330GOT : Not really, I know what I've heard and it's not really that much. I spoke to some high people at SAS but what I learned from them is probably outdate
61 Sandager : Seems like the same reason the Danish crew used for their strike. well now maybe the sewdish crew regrets they did not sympathize with their Danish co
62 Someone83 : There is a huge difference between the to cases (if the strike become a reality) The Danish FA's strike was illegal, while in this situation the rule
63 Sandager : Well let's hope the strike become a reality. however I do see similarities. In both cases negotiations that has been going one for an extended period
64 LaPaige : Well, you shouldn't listen to those highly placed people at SAS because most of them haven't got a clue about the reality of those people working on t
65 Post contains images Basefly : Hey guys, So now the swedes are going on strike.... I wonder if the Swedish CEO Will come out and say that more Traffic will be moved to Norway now? J
66 LaPaige : At least the union in Sweden is giving notice which gives the management time to take the appropiate action. This strike is also legal and the CEO sa
67 Post contains images Basefly : A strike is a strike, its still going to hurt, its not like you can cover up for the entire Swedish SK personnel. It has always amazed me how hard it
68 LaPaige : They become bitter and go on strike for no apparent reason? Very few people of the cabin crew in Sweden wish to go on a strike but when no other opti
69 Scalebuilder : Or Helsinki if heading eastbound to Asia. There is nothing new in this statement. SAS is bleeding away intercontinental traffic, and I think we alrea
70 Post contains images Basefly : I have not seen the contract between the union and SK, the info I've got is from the media, however: It seems to me that the SK personnel always comp
71 LaPaige : I'm pretty confident there will not be a strike. The outcome will probably be as last year when an agreement was settled, or forced into, in the very
72 Post contains images Basefly : Nor will you get it. I could easily go in to an debate of the modern workplace and what is expected today, but that wouldn't change your point of vie
73 LaPaige : What is expected at the modern workplace today? I would at least hope human terms! And no, I tend not to look at it the wrong way. It's actually disa
74 SAS330GOT : I have to agree with you. Cabin crew tend to have their blinds on in many ways. When I worked for SAS it was not uncommon for me to have a working da
75 Abrelosojos : = While I can symphatize with the work conditions, I must ask ... Were you forced to become a cabin crew? EVERY job in the world comes with trade-off
76 LaPaige : Point taken. May I remind you that we also used to work with no overtime pay until last year. We would only receive the regular hourly pay should the
77 LaPaige : No, I was not forced to become cabin crew but I happen to be very fond of my job but not with the present conditions. And of course each job has it a
78 Abrelosojos : = I have a question for you. As an insider, do you think the problems with SAS fundamentally lie in the archaic national protectionistic structure th
79 Post contains images Kevin777 : Not anymore, SK is actually doing quite all right these days on intercon. Force the cabin crew to skip their five-days-off after a sunny day on a bea
80 LaPaige : Well, perhaps you should ask the government that question because I can't answer that question as they haven't shown any interest in solving any of o
81 SAS330GOT : I was not forced to do anything. But if I liked the job I had and I kind of had too just suck it up. As an example; I could go from GOT to ARN on the
82 Scalebuilder : Educate me here........help out with what? I can't recall that SAS has directly received any funds to stay in business (at least not recently) other
83 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = Agreed partially. You can try to built a better workplace. However, if your actions undermine the sustainability of the very work place, what have
84 LaPaige : Sorry but I missunderstood you. I actually thought you were ordered to overtime without any compensation which was how I interpreted your reply. I al
85 Someone83 : Recent news: The FAs have rejected the latest offer from the negotiators, which increases the changes of a strike from Friday morning. A strike will m
86 Post contains images Basefly : Here we go.... Alienating the few customers that are left...... I say sell SK Sweden to AY, SK Denmark to LH, and close down the Norway branch and le
87 Someone83 : AFAIK, neither CPH nor ARN is slot restricted
88 Prebennorholm : Right. The procedure is only to turn in the keys to the planes to the leasing companies. It is no more complicated than that. That's exactly how it i
89 Post contains images Basefly : Really? , hm i thought that there was an limit to the slots awarded to foreign carriers. But could BA or AY for that matter start a route to say ARN
90 Someone83 : Yes, as long as it is an EU carrier. BA can start domestic Sweden if they want to
91 Post contains images Basefly : I did not know that, thanks for the info....!
92 Andaman : AY had a mini hub in ARN years back, before FlyNordic and they also flew Nordic routes back then. Now the only? one similar left was 1x weekly HEL-GO
93 Basefly : Well then what are they waiting for, this would be the perfect time to go for SK market share, the customers are unhappy and the company is financiall
94 SAS330GOT : SAS have done red numbers for IIRC 11 consecutive years. And the "owners" have had to bail the company out on several occations. This is what I've he
95 Post contains images Basefly :
96 Scalebuilder : I am not disagreeing about the red numbers and poor performance of SAS. However, I am confused about your statement of "bailing" the airline out by t
97 SAS330GOT : The CEO of SAS sweden is Anders Ehrling AFAIK adn that was who I was reffering to, it was in a seminar for some SAS employees where he gave a breakdo
98 Someone83 : Here he was obviously talking about SAS Sweden and not the group as a whole, which is a huge difference.
99 TristarSteve : ARN is a slot controlled airport. To operate a service you must obtain a slot. Slots in the morning and evening peak periods are not available, but t
100 SAS330GOT : Point taken. Maybe I should point out that I was talking about SAS sweden all the time since they're the ones on strike. And to clarify further SAS S
101 Scalebuilder : Your post reads as though you're talking about SAS on a consolidated basis and not just SAS Sweden. I apologize for misunderstanding you. But still,
102 Bjornstrom : How much does it cost to train a new crew? How long? Wouldn't it be great just to "buy out" at least 25% of the oldest crew (many are 50+) and replace
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