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US Airways Reported To Switch To The B787  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 29355 times:

Quote:
Airbus will receive another blow this week when US Airways ditches a $3.7 billion (£1.85 billion) order in favour of the aircraft manufacturer’s American rival, Boeing.

The Times understands that US Airways will announce an order for between 20 and 30 Boeing 787 Dreamliners within the next 48 hours. The deal will be worth between $3.2 and $4.9 billion at list prices.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...s/united_states/article1703031.ece

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This report clearly goes into the direct opposite direction of what ATWonline reported a couple of days ago - that US Airways stays with the A350 and takes additional A330s as stop-gaps. Guess this is a clear "wait-and-see" moment.


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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 29295 times:

Makes you wonder if they order the 737NG too with this order. Im hoping so.


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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 29264 times:

Just a suggestion: they could always order BOTH....

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 29240 times:

Objectively it would make sense IMO. If US wants to replace 767 the 787-8 is right sized providing additional growth.

Airbus decided to go for the A350-900 first, available from 2013 and being more 772 sized probably doesn´t fit US´ (domestic) requirements. The A350-800 from 2014 is probably to far away.

The A350 might have a chance if larger aircraft (333) need to be replaced by something faciltating growth.


User currently offlineUALMMFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 29223 times:

I just read the Time article and was hoping someone could post it here.

It is realy unexpected to me. I fly US often to Europe out of PHL, and have loved the way they utilized the A330 acrossed the pond. I had thought A350 would be a lock with US needing additional A330 to fill the capacity needs.

I can undersand the decision as I am not sold the A350's performance data yet; it is still a paper plane. I am quite surprised to read several comments in this forum making statements that A350 will exceed the performance of 777 when nothing has been put together, no wind tunnel test, etc. I am neutral on A vs. B, and I would have said same thing if immature statements were made on Boeing new planes.

A good win for Boeing if this is true, but remember Times also reported EK ordering 100 A350XWB last week, and we have not seen any indications since.

Also, if true, I can see the remaining US legacy carriers ordering 787. Now that half of the US legacy carriers have ordered 787 (CO, NW, US).



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 29160 times:

Frankly, I'll believe it when Doug Parker stands in front of the cameras and announces it; not until then. Given the facts that US is in a position to drive a killer deal, the fact that Airbus threw them a lifeline during bankruptcy, they enjoy a great relationship with Airbus as opposed to another OEM who blocked their takeover attempt of Delta, why would they order Boeing? How much sooner could they get the aircraft? Speaking as an armchair a.net CEO, this doesn't sound right....  boggled 


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User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 29098 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
Frankly, I'll believe it when Doug Parker stands in front of the cameras and announces it; not until then

QFT

While it would be nice for boeing, and certainly possible... I'd lump this with wild rumor until proven just because its so much in the face of past history.


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7146 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 29081 times:

Amen brother, amen. Lumberton I really wish I could pick something out of your post to disagree with.
Bummer.


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 29028 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
Given the facts that US is in a position to drive a killer deal, the fact that Airbus threw them a lifeline during bankruptcy, they enjoy a great relationship with Airbus as opposed to another OEM who blocked their takeover attempt of Delta, why would they order Boeing?

Although I am not a strong believer in the theory that airlines are lead in their fleet renewal decisions based on 'strong' relationships with manufacturers alone, I would find it proof of poor class to bite off the hand that has fed you when you were starving to dead... If it happened to you once, it can happen again and it's always good to know you have a powerful friend around to help you out.

Does that exclude a 787 order? Not al all...
Does it mean a 787 order must automatically mean the end of their A350 order? Not at all either.

It would be interesting to learn whether Timesonline has heard through the grape vines US is to order 787s and has concluded themselves they will thus cancel the A350, or whether the full story as reported by them is correct, because as was noticed, the latter does contradict with a recent report in ATWonline (which is generally a very reliable source of information).

[Edited 2007-04-25 12:27:33]

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6888 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 28826 times:

Quoting UALMMFlyer (Reply 4):
Also, if true, I can see the remaining US legacy carriers ordering 787. Now that half of the US legacy carriers have ordered 787 (CO, NW, US)

For what it's worth, that didn't happen with the 777... Moreover, I still have a mental picture of the A350 in UA colors that I can't shake off.

Could this be an example of a popular A.Net myth in reverse? Airlines are often accused of courting Airbus simply to drive down the price of Boeings. Might it work just as well the other way?

Certainly, this would be a bigger blow to Airbus than VS and I'd expect Leahy & Co. to pull out every trick they had to keep US on board.

That said...

The way the tide is flowing cannot be misinterpreted. I'm calling this one in favour of Boeing.


User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 28760 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
Frankly, I'll believe it when Doug Parker stands in front of the cameras and announces it; not until then.

I believe it is still more than likely that US will go A350 here. The problem here is whatever happens here the big loser will be Airbus. I suspect that despite Airbus 'helping' US recently with loans etc US are too willing to use the media and the 'threat' of 787 to SCREW airbus on price. Airbus are in a very desperate situation regarding A350 program. Boeing on the other hand is in a very strong position due to staggering 787 sales.

They are in a position to win Airbus customers outright through better product better price and earlier (just) delivery slots. If Airbus win this deal (believe they still will) it is yet another strategic sale not contributing much to the 10B developement costs. If Airbus miss out on this one it is yet another large slap from the marketplace.

Airbus are in a precarious position with A350 and the marketplace knows it and will take advantage. You may not like it buts thats how it appears to be  old 


User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 28723 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
That said...

The way the tide is flowing cannot be misinterpreted. I'm calling this one in favour of Boeing.

Well PM I would be suprised if it were Boeing  faint and it would be a massive blow to Airbus.

Do you think they will go GE or RR  goodvibes 


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 28528 times:

Not that it is worth a discussion really, but just how can loosing a poorly paying customer be considered a massive blow?

Either one gets a massive blow from loosing a very profitable customer

or you are happy to dump an unprofitable deal in the backlog of your competitor.

The 2 together like you suggest... well... no comment really.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 28354 times:
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Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
Frankly, I'll believe it when Doug Parker stands in front of the cameras and announces it; not until then

I fully agree. I would love it if US came back to Boeing, but it is all speculation at this time. We will see what happens. Perhaps the 787 order will be tied into a massive discount for the 737-900ER.



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1447 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 28354 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 12):
Not that it is worth a discussion really, but just how can loosing a poorly paying customer be considered a massive blow?

Either one gets a massive blow from loosing a very profitable customer

You're right, not worth much discussion coz that's gotta be the worst argument I've ever heard. You obviosly never worked in the marketing department anywhere.

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 11):
Do you think they will go GE or RR

My vote goes to GE although it'll ony make PM age another 5 years in one month.  biggrin 



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User currently offlineFunflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 28236 times:

US is going to buy 20-30 787's at least thats the email going around here.


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6888 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 28121 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 12):
Not that it is worth a discussion really, but just how can loosing a poorly paying customer be considered a massive blow?

"Poorly paying"? You mean the likes of US pay less than a plane's worth? I don't get it.

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 14):
My vote goes to GE although it'll ony make PM age another 5 years in one month.

Great. Just when I was getting over the QF shock!  Sad


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 28060 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 12):
Not that it is worth a discussion really, but just how can loosing a poorly paying customer be considered a massive blow?

Just for the sake of argument, would it be better to gain a massive order by discounting almost to the quick?



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27942 times:

I thought this was interesting:

Part of Airbus’s problem with the A350 is that it has only just left the drawing board, while Boeing will fly the first 787 later this year. Airlines are opting to buy an aircraft that is reality rather than one that still only exists on paper.

It will be interesting to see it when announced about WHY they decided (if true) to drop the A-350XWB and opt for 787. I also wonder which story is correct: ATW or The Times??



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27944 times:

This is going to be interesting. Do you think that the 787 can get those 787 orders before it flies. I wonder what Paris is going to be like in terms of orders.

Regards



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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27942 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
"Poorly paying"? You mean the likes of US pay less than a plane's worth? I don't get it.

I don't know, I am just repeating what Boeing767-300 said and pointing out it doesn't make much sense to talk about a big blow then really...

Anyway, I suppose it is a safe bet that the original A350 customers who are to be turned over to A350XWB customers probably aren't going to be the most lucrative deals for Airbus. Knowing US are holding pretty early delivery slots which Airbus may market for more money today, I don't think Airbus will be very flexible when it comes to giving them additional concessions, especially not when the Timesonline reports are true and QR and EK are both going to sign for the A350XWB. And even without EK, Airbus probably can make more money out of each of the US A350XWB slots by offering them to new customers, who will pay WXB prices rather than non-XWB prices

This leads to just another theory:
Knowing US decided (according to ATWonline) they were going to stick with the A350 (at the previously agreed price) and also wanted A330s as interim lift (probably also at low prices), it isn't unlikely Airbus thought this was a bridge too far and has basically shown US the door in pretty much the same way as they worked out UPS when they wanted to get their hands back on those 10 slots they held for the A380F to cope with delays....
In which case 'massive blow' may not be the correct wording really.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27870 times:
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Whatever US AIR does, it should decide and stop talking about it. They need Asia airplanes and Phoenix to FRA airplanes. What they have now doesn't fit either requirement. A330 are great from PHL and CLT to Europe, while that is US international task now, they are range challenged for future flight to China and Arizona to Asia or Europe.

User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27842 times:

Well aren't they getting A340-500s for that, JFK777?

User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27811 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 12):
Not that it is worth a discussion really, but just how can loosing a poorly paying customer be considered a massive blow?

Either one gets a massive blow from loosing a very profitable customer

I think you have missed the Point here which is this is Airbuses order to lose. Airbus should reasonably expect US to purchase A350.

Howerever it would seem that US are willing to use Boeing to 'screw' Airbus on price. They are willing to exploit Airbuses weak position in the mid sized widebody market despite Airbuses recent finacial assistance

I don't think Boeing will fret too much if Airbus retain the A350 order because they would have driven the 'real value' in profit terms of the order.

Then again if Boeing win this order they can absorb the cost of a cut throat fight far better and at the same time strike a major blow or coup by getting US as well as VS on board in short order.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 12):
The 2 together like you suggest... well... no comment really.

No comment. I think you are beginning to realise how dire Airbuses position is presently. especially if they sign for 787.

What was that about the year of the A350XWB? When was SQ going to sign up for the XWB. I think airlines are sick of the talk and are waiting for design freeze and specifications as well as a concrete EIS all of which given the last two years is a little bit airey fairy to say the least.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30908 posts, RR: 87
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27716 times:
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Quoting Keesje (Reply 3):
Objectively it would make sense IMO. If US wants to replace 767 the 787-8 is right sized providing additional growth.

Airbus decided to go for the A350-900 first, available from 2013 and being more 772 sized probably doesn´t fit US´ (domestic) requirements. The A350-800 from 2014 is probably to far away.

The A350 might have a chance if larger aircraft (333) need to be replaced by something faciltating growth.

US does not (to my knowledge) fly their widebodies domestically. I believe they solely serve non-stop international routes. And with US taking new A330s and even A345s over the next few years, I believe they could wait for the A350XWB-800 if they believe it is the better choice.

And the 787-9 nicely covers the A343 mission profile (VS ordered them specifically for that reason), so if US does take the 787-8, the 787-9 would be a natural choice for fleet expansion and eventual replacement for their A333s down the road.


25 Slz396 : You may leave the capital of that word, because your 'point' is very week really, because to put is is simple wording: What you are saying is that a
26 Revelation : *IF* the Times version is correct, this would be the first defection of the original A350-not-XWB customers. I can imagine customers are also concern
27 Airbazar : They never signed on to the XWB. This is why I asked a few days ago, in the 30 787 UFO thread, which of the original A350 airlines have not confirmed
28 Post contains images Stitch : US doesn't need Boeing to pressure Airbus on the price. This same periodical suggested last week that Airbus was selling the A350XWB-800 and -900 for
29 Post contains links and images USAF336TFS : There have been so many conflicting reports that I've come to the conclusion, I'll believe it when it's finally announced. I would love to see US orde
30 LuisKMIA : I love Boeing, but didn't Airbus essentially bail US Air out of financial trouble? I'd be vary surprised... Luis KMIA
31 Ward86IND : Great to see US go Boeing again. Hopefully they also order the 737-900ER also. As big of a Boeing fan I am, gotta feel for Airbus too, they kinda got
32 Etops1 : love Boeing, but didn't Airbus essentially bail US Air out of financial trouble? I'd be vary surprised... Luis KMIA that was the old management . this
33 Airbazar : If Airbus hadn't done it, someone else would have done it. Airbus was just looking up for Airbus and nothing else. They saw an opportunity to sell th
34 AirFrnt : Because they are one of two carriers that use Airbus widebodies in the United States, the most lucrative market for airplanes in the world. Because t
35 Rbgso : Perhaps US got wind the the prices EK was getting for their A350s and requested the same deal. AIrbus may have said no, and US took a walk. Happens in
36 LGA777 : As I have said in earlier posts. The Airbus loan that was just a part of the US bailout was paid off in full in 2006, several years early, at MILLION
37 Post contains links AirTran737 : Looks like the rumor is gaining a bit of momentum. CNBC is now carrying the story as well. http://www.cnbc.com/id/18305093[Edited 2007-04-25 16:55:04]
38 Beta : I'd go with ATWonline on this one simply for the fact that its staff does aviation reporting for a living and knows what they are doing. Historically
39 Flighty : I guess this means US won't be getting A330-200s after all. It never did make sense to take 332s in 2009 when they could just get 787s instead, which
40 DeltaDC9 : These are not schoolchildren, this is big business, and what have you done for me lately extends to the previous quarter only. Whatever is best for t
41 Stitch : It's not a matter of improving the 777. It's a matter of improving it 25% [or more] if the A350XWB really does meet the design goals Airbus is hoping
42 PlanesNTrains : If you save someone from a fire, then it would be understandable to "expect" a reasonable amount of gratitude. In the Airbus/US case, that was called
43 PanAm330 : US is not going to cancel their A321 orders. In fact, just recently they placed orders for an additional 15 (some converted, some new orders). The 33
44 DAYflyer : I agree *IF*. Thanks for the correction about US potentially being the first non-XWB defector. They ordered the origianl A-350, version 2 IIRC. Absol
45 TropicBird : Tomorrow US will report its first quarter earnings and they have previously said they will announce their aircraft orders by the end of April. There w
46 Post contains links N1786b : They stepped back from the story: http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=8656 "This website also has learned that the 30 aircraft are the s
47 Post contains links and images KFLLCFII : Modified Airliner Photos:Design © Ben MoorhouseTemplate © Ben Moorhouse
48 400drvr : From a business perspective it is also sound positioning for potential future mergers as the fleet will be more compatible with the others. Current re
49 BoomBoom : Which don't you see happening--the 777 improving 25% or the A350XWB meeting its design goals?
50 HPRamper : There will be a webcast meeting on 1Q financials tomorrow and I would expect him to unveil the plan there, if anything. For what it's worth, even aft
51 AirMailer : Since so many others are throwing out predictions, I'll go ahead and predict that US goes with the 30 788s and also keeps their A350XYZ order and has
52 ScottB : If the report from the Times of London is indeed true, I do have to say that I would be utterly shocked. As others have said, it would appear that thi
53 Whappeh : That would be awesome, if for no other reason, from a spotting point of view; but that is highly unlikely. I can't wait to hear more news on all this
54 Asuflyer05 : I agree I think this is going to be another order for the 787. Though the A321 vs. B737NG could go either way, I would not be surprised to see a 737-
55 AirMailer : Oh, I forgot to mention that if the Times story turned out to be true and US bought some (any) amount of 787s I would be totally shocked. Not that th
56 EbbUK : Well let US airways get the Dreamliner. It fits that all US customers stick with their home grown products.
57 Silentbob : I would think that US would keep the 350 on order and flip them once they are delivered, assuming they didn't want the aircraft. Given the pricing rum
58 Revelation : Ignoring any nationalistic implications, it's clear to me at least that Boeing sized the 787 to meet what it thought the US market would need, wherea
59 DeltaDC9 : If they took a 772 and fitted the XWB engines on it, and reduced its weight, I think that would get them pretty far down the road. A new GenX type en
60 Stitch : Now that you mention it, both. That being said, my original statement's intent was that I believe Airbus will make an A350XWB economically better the
61 USAF336TFS : Really? Jet Blue Frontier Virgin America Ted (United) Oh and US Air?
62 AndesSMF : That is the best quote in this thread so far. Even here in our office I have heard the refrain of 'people are willing to wait for quality'. Never see
63 Boeing74741R : I personally think that the narrow-body order could swing either way, because that is what they will be getting first before they get any 787s/A350s (
64 Steeler83 : This all should be very interesting to see how this all unfolds over the next few days. Aren't they considering either the 739ER or the A321 for tran
65 Aminobwana : Revelation From United States, joined Feb 2005, 1337 posts, RR: 1 Reply 26, posted Wed Apr 25 2007 22:53:30 your local time (3 hours 30 minutes 39 se
66 USAF336TFS : I was wondering the same... Excellent point, The Morgan Stanley report implies that they believe that competitive improvements will be introduced whi
67 Post contains images JRDC930 : What i find surprising here is that almost no one is giving Boeing a real chance at wining this order, it must be for "price negotiating", after all h
68 Whappeh : I think its just that people are using a past set of rules for something that doesn't exist anymore... assuming that US Airways is indebted to Airbus
69 Post contains images Iwok : Maybe THIS is the Delta order exposed Well, they did pony up and order a plane which was subsequently cancelled. US ordered 350-Rev 3, and now we are
70 Post contains images Glideslope : 700 787 orders by Paris is looking better every day.
71 Post contains images N844AA : Last I checked, US airlines had some of the largest fleets of Airbus aircraft in the world. Sounds like the rest of the world isn't keeping up.
72 Flighty : Yes, they are ordering 60 new narrowbodies if I remember. It will be either A321 or 739ER. The 777(LR?) rumor is a new one. Boeing could hurry a 777
73 Post contains images Confuscius : Although I am not a strong believer in the theory that airlines are lead in their fleet renewal decisions based on 'strong' relationships with manufac
74 Flysherwood : I still really have a hard time putting EK in the same league as these other airlines that you have listed. I will probably be proven wrong but I jus
75 CYatUK : Obviously price is usually the major factor for an order however in this case TIMING is playing a significant role. As I wrote at the VS post, John L
76 Airbazar : Well, SJU is domestic but US also flies their widebodies to CUN. Probably just a quick rotation in between European runs.
77 DeltaDC9 : Dont forget the big boys Delta, Northwest, United, Continental, and American....all Airbus customers now or at some point in the past. When Airbus ha
78 CYatUK : Well, it is a fact that the B787 will start flying later this year and have its performace recorded however, at this point in time, how exactly can s
79 Mptpa : Also, what happens to the GE based customers if GE decides not to bite the Airbus bait and decides not to offer GEnx for XWB? I know SQ, QR are press
80 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Sigh..... Including NW and a Skybus order, how many Airbus products is that in the US? Many hundreds? A thousand? More every week too. Yep, those US
81 NYC777 : Wow well that comment absolutely added zero value. Instead of making silly comments like that, it would be better for you to try and post some sort o
82 PlanesNTrains : One side question: There has been speculation that the 30 787 UFO's are for US, but are there a corresponding number of 737NG UFO's that could also be
83 Dank : There aren't any UFO's that correspond to -900ERs through March and not a ton of 737 UFOs in the current order book. But that could mean that US isn'
84 Stitch : Yet how much can Boeing lighten the 777? And while you should be able to hang XWB engines on a 772ER, and at 95,000lbs of thrust they would be able t
85 Post contains images Stitch : Not a whole lot of the 787 is homegrown...
86 Dank : And at what point does the law of diminishing returns fit in. Sure they can make it more competitive than it would be currently, but... Arent these t
87 Revelation : The early A350 iterations were the A330 fuselage with improved engines, wings, and other aerodynamic aspects. It was not hard to quantify the improve
88 Post contains images 787EWR : US Airways has virtually eliminated their Boeing fleet(minus the 737-400's that they use on their CLTLGA - Florida routes). Most of their pilots(alon
89 Revelation : Indeed that's true, but the GEnx engines going onto the 747-8 will provide bleed air etc so it would not be too huge a leap to see those engines inst
90 AirMailer : You left out Spirit NorthWest and that new startup - SkyBus.
91 Cageyjames : Right because which airline in Europe or anywhere else has a larger fleet of Airbus than US? None
92 787EWR : My apologies on this statement. I just realized, thanks to Wikipedia, that US Airways still has over 150 Boeing models(I neglected their acquisition
93 AndesSMF : What about Virgin America?
94 Post contains images CYatUK :    That's what I said earlier! With the Open Skies deal coming into force next year, many airlines need long haul planes very soon and Airbus will
95 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...what are these?
96 Post contains images Stitch : But it probably will be a huge leap to get almost 30,000lbs of additional thrust out of them, which would be required to provide the same 90,000+ of
97 Post contains images Dank : The 748i benefits, in this case, from the fact that there are 4 engines, not 2 (e.g., MTOW of the 773ER is ~80% of that of the 748i using half the po
98 Post contains images MCIGuy : If this comes to fruition, then I fully expect it to be a split order. If it really is 30 x 788, then it's also good number of A32X. you heard it here
99 Ack426 : On the US employee site, The Hub, they have addressed this article, saying that there are no sources, and that they are still weeks away from announci
100 JAL : Wow!!! Tough blow for Airbus!
101 Post contains images Cactus739 : US Airways first quarter conference call is scheduled for tomorrow afternoon.... coincidence if true?
102 Dank : Thanks for this update. Cheers.
103 PHLBOS : Even without factoring in any HP Boeings, US still flies many of their pre-HP merger Boeings: the fore-mentioned 762s (all of which are in the new c/
104 MSYtristar : Generally corporate wouldn't confirm an order beforehand even it was true...since they know as well as you and I do that the info could be announced
105 Justloveplanes : Airbus as a company and as a A350 project still has lots of unanswered questions, this might be complicatings things for potential customers making st
106 Phxplanes : They are not confirming this yet. They said they are still a few weeks away from announcing there decision. This was sent to employees RUMOR MILL: Did
107 Wjcandee : Well...Delta wasn't really an Airbus "customer" as we typically think about it. Yes, they ended up stuck with some A310s after taking over PanAm. Yes
108 RJ777 : Can't wait to hear what happens!
109 Stitch : Well the Seattle P.I. believes QR ordered the 30 787 UFOs, but they would be 787-8's and would be in addition to the ~80-frame A350XWB order. So perha
110 Post contains images Flyusairways : Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought they said that they would announce at least a narrow-body order by the end of April (April 30). At any rate, I can't w
111 Whappeh : While I hope they come up with at least some form of announcement by then, I doubt they will.
112 LGA777 : USAirways CEO Doug Parker will be on CNBC's Sqwak Box at 0840 EDT on Thursday morning to discuss earnings. Perhaps he will be questioned on the order
113 BHMBAGLOCK : What about Fedex and UPS? They have a few.
114 SkyexRamper : Come on USAir, dump the A340 idea and go 777!!!
115 Jacobin777 : ....as much as I would obviously love to see the T7 in US colours, if it makes more economic sense for them to go with the A340's, then they should g
116 JayinKitsap : In a word -INSURANCE-, putting in an order like SQ did for the 787 and the 350 (still LOI) means that the airline can be sure it will have planes. If
117 ZKNBX : Oh and WHY please if you buy the 787 would you not also consider the A350XWB. The XWB is considerably larger, and after all - many airlines operate b
118 USAF336TFS : I think I mentioned them. The point I was trying to make was the silliness and inaccuracy of this statement: It's like saying European airlines prefe
119 DLPMMM : Doug Parker was questioned on the issue. He stated that there had not been any decision made, and that negotiations were ongoing with both Airbus and
120 JAL : Totally agree! And why not go for the 737NG as well!
121 Columba : With DL, AA and UA gracing the sky with 777s already be happy that at least one US carrier will fly the A340. Same with the A350. There will be many
122 DAYflyer : Well, this sounds pretty authoritative to me....
123 Scouseflyer : So it's either: 1. Stick with XWB and order 40 more 2. Stick with XWB and order 10 more and 30 787s 3. Stick with XWB and order 40 787s 4. Cancel XWB
124 Manni : IIRC the order for 60 aircraft includes narrowbodies.
125 Post contains links Aminobwana : Pls. see URL USAir where following phrase is contained: In a television interview, Parker declined to comment on the status of the airline's order fo
126 Post contains images Dank :
127 AAce24 : Its apparent that you have NO idea what you are talking about...
128 Nzrich : Well untill its announced by US Airways or Boeing or Airbus its all rumour so at the moment .. Just rememeber at the moment US Airways may have signed
129 Post contains links and images Keesje : According to WSJ US Airways is "leaning towards sticking with its initial decision to opt for A350 planes" http://www.euro2day.gr/articlesfna/34287280
130 Post contains images EI321 : Now that would throw the cat among the pigeons. And theres no compensation card for this one.
131 11Bravo : I'll bet that's not true. Airbus will owe US a significant chunk of cash if they fail to deliver the original A350s that US ordered. Of course Airbus
132 Columba : I am glad to hear that as much as I love the 787 it is good to see the A350 staying at least with one US customer.
133 EI321 : This is normal, although we dont really know this for sure in this case. Seems to be refering to future delays, with no mention of penalties relating
134 Usairways85 : So US is supposed to rely on their 9 (?) A332s coming in a few years and 3-4 340s (who knows what is up with that) for the next 7 years to expand inte
135 Post contains images USAF336TFS : Amen to that.
136 Stitch : Perhaps this is prudent for US at the current time? How many Star Alliance partners operate to PHL, CLT and PHX?
137 Post contains images Wjcandee : Maybe they can pick up some of the many 763s that will be coming available as 787s are delivered...
138 NASCARAirforce : I thought there was some sort of agreement a few years ago if Airbus helped US financially, part of the deal was to take the A350. Why would they comp
139 Post contains images Clickhappy : there are a few hundred to replace
140 Dank : They wouldn't be replacing 32Xs with 737NGs, it would be to replace 737 classics and 752s. While it would make more sense to fit more 32Xs into the f
141 Bigapplecoder : I'd be willing to bet some serious coin that US sticks with the A350 and with Airbus line in general. It seems that Airbus is making concessions on ai
142 Post contains links BoomBoom : Airline officials remain concerned about whether Airbus will deliver the A350 by 2013 as promised. Airbus Meets Pressure To Deliver On A350 (by BoomB
143 AirFrnt : Doug Parker confirmed that Airbus is willing to honor the original price for the previous revision of the 350XWB. That plus the debt forgiveness and
144 DLPMMM : That was the US Airways management that had the loan from Airbus in Chapter 11. The new US Airways (HP) management (Parker and Company) had nothing t
145 SEPilot : There is another thread on US Fleet Replacement where he is reported as saying this at a meeting (I believe an employees meeting.)
146 Dank : From (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article1680645.ece) which, I believe was the original article cited
147 Post contains links BoomBoom : Airbus desperately needs some good news to rally shareholders and employees, and is thought to be the favorite to get an order for the A350 WXB. But
148 Post contains links Keesje : " target=_blank>http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?C...a2f59 Rambling from envy & unconfirmed rumors if you ask me. Is someone form a.net an www.aero-
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