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Did A AS Plane Go MX In Los Cabos?  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2548 times:
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I see in another thread an AN-12 flew from SeaTac to Los Cabos. Sounds like an engine ferry to me. Anyone with more info?

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User currently offlineAsqx From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 618 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

There's a 737-900 that has been sitting down in SJD for two days or so waiting for a new engine. It's either N307AS or N317AS, I can't remember off the top of my head.

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2501 times:
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Right on, thanks for the info!

User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

what led to this happening down in cabo, bird strike or something else occur? seems like AS mechanics would have planned differently to have this done up in SEA or elsewhere

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 3):
seems like AS mechanics would have planned differently to have this done up in SEA or elsewhere

I think you can safely assume that it was something unexpected. Birdstrike (in the core), overtemp, who knows? Some events require a borescope inspection, and if it flunks, it flunks and then becomes a taco stand until the engine can be changed. A pity that you can't do a one engine-out ferry on a twin, like you can with a 3- or 4-engined bird...


User currently offlineAsqx From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 618 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

If I remember right it's a problem with a pump or something on the engine. The plane's been out of service for over 48 hours by now and I would think that if it could have been safely flown to LA or any other stateside city it would have been done by now as OPNLguy said.

User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

A chartered AN12 came into SEA last night to pick up the engine and ferry it down to SJD.
The 737-900 should be ready sometime Wednesday night/Thursday morning.
It was not a bird strike.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Quoting Asqx (Reply 5):
I would think that if it could have been safely flown to LA or any other stateside city it would have been done by now

Absolutely. You don't do an engine change at a non-maintenance station unless you have no other choice, especially if it's in another country. When I was at Air Florida, we did a couple of engine changes, in the Bahamas and in Jamaica, and molasses in January moves faster than the paperwork process for visas and the other red tape involved.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2226 times:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 6):
A chartered AN12 came into SEA last night to pick up the engine and ferry it down to SJD

I bet that will cost AS a pretty penny, but its not like they have a choice


User currently offlineNwray From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2106 times:
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Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 4):
A pity that you can't do a one engine-out ferry on a twin, like you can with a 3- or 4-engined bird...

Is the airplane incapable of taking off with one engine, or is it possible but just completely unsafe? My apologies for asking what I'm sure is a dumb question!


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

With one engine inop on a 3- or 4-engined aircraft, you've lost 33% or 25% (respectively) of your engines, and you have 1 or 2 (respectively) left in case a second engine fails. (It doesn't happen often, but every once in awhile, it does. Eastern had a L1011 ferrying MEX-MIA on two engines some years ago, and they lost a second one just after takeoff. They were able to horse the thing back around for a landing on that one remaining engine, no small feat considering MEX's high sea level elevation and the heat.)

If one were to theoretically ferry a twin with one engine out, you've lost 50% of your engines. Irrespective of whether it would actually be able to get off the ground or not, you'd have zero redundancy. Should the remaining engine fail, you're going down, and quickly. Maintenance ferries are done without passengers onboard, but FAA regs also protect innocent folks on the ground.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4126 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 6):
A chartered AN12 came into SEA last night to pick up the engine and ferry it down to SJD.
The 737-900 should be ready sometime Wednesday night/Thursday morning.
It was not a bird strike.

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