Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Boeing Announce Sale Of 6 X 777Fs  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8007 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
COMMUNITY MANAGER

Just released from Boeing

SEATTLE, April 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA) and Oak Hill Capital Partners, a leading private equity firm, today announced an order for six Boeing 777 Freighters. The order is valued at about $1.4 billion, at list prices.

The six-airplane order brings Boeing's total for the twin-engine freighter to 71 airplanes from 10 customers since its launch in May 2005. Oak Hill will be purchasing these planes through a new aircraft leasing platform that it is establishing in connection with the purchase.


Source: http://www.boeing.com via http://www.prnewswire.com

This is a new order and not an undisclosed order. At 71 frames the 777F has outsold the MD-11F as a new build freighter.

Does this 10 customers listed exclude AC who cancelled their 2 777Fs yesterday?

Regards, PanAm_DC10


Ask the impossible to achieve the best possible
20 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

Could this order be for 5X? Or would they order the 748F?


Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre.
User currently offlineFlyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

One heck of a week for Boeing. I can't wait to see the final April numbers...and they said that 2007 would be down for orders as compared to '05 and '06. Come to think of it, they said that about '06 too!

Mike


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7852 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Bill Gates ordered the 777F huh? Sweet

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7792 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

On a seperate note, perhaps these 777s are for Cargo360  Wink

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7569 times:

Sweet order for both organizations. I wonder how many more 777F are needed as 747-100/200/300/400F retire or are put to the desert due to costs of mx, fuel etc.....


One Nation Under God
User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3307 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7385 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
This is a new order and not an undisclosed order. At 71 frames the 777F has outsold the MD-11F as a new build freighter.

Does this 10 customers listed exclude AC who cancelled their 2 777Fs yesterday?

Well...

Air France 5 23-May-2005
Avion Aircraft Trading 4 07-Sep-2005
Air Canada 2 10-Nov-2005
Emirates 8 21-Nov-2005
Avion Aircraft Trading 4 15-Dec-2005
FedEx 15 07-Nov-2006
GE Capital Corporation 8 15-Nov-2006
Guggenheim Aviation Partners 3 30-Nov-2006
Qatar Airways 2 13-Dec-2006
Korean Air 5 28-Dec-2006
Unidentified Customer 6 28-Feb-2007
Oak Hill Capital Partners 6 26-Apr-2007

Subtotal: 68 orders, 11 named customers + unidentified customer(s).

Subtract 2 from Air Canada...

66 Firm orders, 10 named customers + unidentified customer(s). Not sure where the other 5 orders came from.



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Does this 10 customers listed exclude AC who cancelled their 2 777Fs yesterday?

9 known customers with 60 aircraft: AF (5), Avion Group (8), EK (8), FX (15), GECAS (8), Guggenheim (3), KE (5), QR (2), and Oak Hill (6).

2 unidentified customers with 5 and 6 aircraft.

If AC has been excluded, then it means one of the unidentified customers is a repeated customer.

if AC has not been excluded, then it means both of the unidentified customers are repeated customers. The press release says 71 airplanes. So, I'm pretty certain AC has been excluded. It's probably safe to assume one of the unidentified customers is an existing 77F customer.


User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 6):
Not sure where the other 5 orders came from.

It was announced two weeks ago. The list you have does not include April orders.


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3307 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

Quoting Dynkrisolo (Reply 8):
It was announced two weeks ago. The list you have does not include April orders.

Well if you would be so kind as to post who and when, seeing as no such order was located among the recent Boeing press releases...



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7042 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 9):
Well if you would be so kind as to post who and when, seeing as no such order was located among the recent Boeing press releases...

Boeing doesn't put out press releases for orders by unidentified customers. Here's the thread on the April 10 order update by Boeing:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3355488


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

The 5 UFOs 777Fs were recorded in the same week as the 30 787 UFOs. If QR is indeed the 787 customer, it is possible that those 5 777F UFOs are for also for QR and were ordered at the same time as the 787s. That theory would fit the 10 customers and 71 frames.


The best time to plant a tree is 40 years ago. The second best time is today.
User currently offlineFlyfirst From Chile, joined Nov 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

The 777f are for LAN

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Quoting Flyfirst (Reply 12):
The 777f are for LAN

Thank you.

If these five April UFOs are not for QR, then I wonder if LAN was also the customer for the earlier six UFOs. Otherwise we should have 11 customers not 10. Or maybe the press release has the wrong numbers.

[EDIT: I made a mistake in my calculations (twice) I edited this post rather than make a new post]

[Edited 2007-04-26 23:32:44]


The best time to plant a tree is 40 years ago. The second best time is today.
User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2745 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
At 71 frames the 777F has outsold the MD-11F as a new build freighter.

Actually, that milestone was passed on February 28th, when Boeing signed the order for x6 UFO's. . .

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4):
On a seperate note, perhaps these 777s are for Cargo360

God I hope so! That would be an amazing looking bird (and Cargo360 is a part of Oak Hill. . . )!


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Snorre - VAP



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Does this 10 customers listed exclude AC who cancelled their 2 777Fs yesterday?

Indeed it does.

Quoting WestWing (Reply 11):
If QR is indeed the 787 customer, it is possible that those 5 777F UFOs are for also for QR and were ordered at the same time as the 787s. That theory would fit the 10 customers and 71 frames.

It would indeed. It is a point that I had not considered before, and one that makes a lot of sense. Since we know:

FedEx - 15
Avion - 8
Emirates - 8
GECAS - 8
Oak Hill - 6
Unidentified - 6 (a new 777F customer)
Air France - 5
Korean Air - 5
Guggenheim - 3
Qatar Airways - 2

Thus, to match 10 customers at 71 orders, the April UFO of 5 must be from an existing customer. At this point, QR would be a very good guess indeed.

Quoting Flyfirst (Reply 12):
The 777f are for LAN

LAN has either not ordered yet, or they are leasing their aircraft from either GECAS, or now Oak Hill. . .

Regards,

Hamlet69  profile 



Honor the warriors, not the war.
User currently offlineCirrusDriver From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 14):
Thus, to match 10 customers at 71 orders, the April UFO of 5 must be from an existing customer.

BUMMER!! I was hoping that it would be USA Jet Airlines!  banghead   weeping 


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Oak Hill Capital Partners, a leading private equity firm, today announced an order for six Boeing 777 Freighters

And who is a partner at Oak Hill? None other than J. Taylor Crandall, son of Bob Crandall, former head of AA.



My happy place is FL470 - what's yours?
User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 14):
Unidentified - 6 (a new 777F customer)

China Southern announced an order of 6 B777F last year. Might be them, as they are a new customer as well.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

Out of interest.... when is the first 777F being built?? I guess there aint much certification needed for it as its basically a 772LR without seats and windows and a massive door in the side!!

User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

sorry forgot to add is there also a chance of a 773F???

Would be a pretty cool aircraft!!


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 18):
when is the first 777F being built??

The first few long lead parts are in production right now, roll-out will probably take place in the fourth quarter this year, or early next year.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 18):
guess there aint much certification needed for it as its basically a 772LR without seats and windows and a massive door in the side!!

Well, the are some more structural differences between the pax 772LR and the 777F than the seats, windows and the cargo door, parts of the frame must be strengthened, like the cabin floor, and a wall has to be placed in front of the main cargo deck.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 19):
sorry forgot to add is there also a chance of a 773F???

I'm 99% certain when I say no, Boeing will at least not produce such an aircraft.
Why? A 773F would carry less payload, and its higher cargo volume would mean that it could only carry a payload with a lower density than the payload the 772F can carry, and it would also burn more fuel per ton payload because of its higher structural weight.
The 773F would be less ideal as a freighter compared with the 77F, just as the A346 would make a poor freighter, you have to increase the max payload limit if you increase the cargo volume. Payloadcapabilities, giving the freighter a respectable payload density (9-10 lb/cuft,) is more important than the volume itself.


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Boeing Announce Sale Of 6 X 777Fs posted Thu Apr 26 2007 17:07:08 by PanAm_DC10
Should Boeing Give All Of Their Models Names? posted Wed Mar 21 2007 15:34:05 by EI321
Conviasa Public Sale Of 767 posted Mon Feb 19 2007 22:06:18 by Chiguire
Boeing Begins Use Of 777 Moving Line Assembly posted Wed Nov 8 2006 18:31:51 by NYC777
U.S. Approves Sale Of Airplane Parts To Iran posted Wed Oct 11 2006 15:53:04 by Clickhappy
Boeing 744LCF Out Of The Hangar -- Photos posted Wed Aug 16 2006 07:22:02 by Brenintw
Boeing's 90% Stronghold Of Cargo A/C Will Continue posted Wed Jul 26 2006 17:16:11 by DIA
Brazil Judge OKs Sale Of Varig With Conditions posted Mon Jun 12 2006 23:37:35 by LawnDart
Boeing Starts Assembly Of The First 737-900ER posted Wed May 31 2006 23:11:11 by OyKIE
Boeing: New Round Of 748 Wind-tunnel Tests Done posted Wed May 10 2006 08:28:20 by Leelaw