This really amazes me. I understand in theory, this might keep costs down, but in reality, it just seems odd. The 738s are such versatile planes, that you would think they would be well suited for thin routes out of JFK like JFK-SKB, JFK-PHX, JFK-PDX, / ORD-SAN, ORD-SEA, etc.....I understand the theory behind basing the A300s out of MIA, JFK, SJU...because their primary purpose are the passanger and cargo capabilities to latin america and the caribbean. Just seems like a scheduling headache and not having the right planes available for the right fits?
AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2283 posts, RR: 25 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6282 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter): American Airlines will begin non-stop service between New York City/JFK and St. Kitts & Nevis on 18 November 2007:
AA 2051 JFK 1045-1550 SKB 757 WeSu
AA 2052 SKB 1715-2030 JFK 757 WeSu
This is the only non-stop service between New York City and St. Kitts & Nevis. American Airlines also offers two daily flights from St. Kitts & Nevis to San Juan, and five weekly flights to Miami.
This is great news! Finally something new to the Caribbean out of JFK for AA. Too bad it will be a turn for the Crew with no layover. I think that this flight will do just fine due to it being NYC, and the connections JFK has to offer.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10641 posts, RR: 62 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6224 times:
Quoting Clrd4t8koff (Reply 3): Just seems like a scheduling headache and not having the right planes available for the right fits?
"Having the right planes available for the right [flights]" is what AA and every other U.S. legacy carrier tried to do throughout the 1980s and 1990s. They built up huge fleets of complex and non-standardized aircraft that all fit very small, specific niche market profiles. This was, as you point out, extremely effective in tailoring aircraft capacity and capability, along with onboard product, to specific markets. It was also, however, grossly innefficient. Since 9/11, AA has gone from a fleet with nearly 10 aircraft types and nearly 20 subfleet types to a fleet with only 6 aircraft types and only 7-8 subfleet types (with another subfleet, the TWA 757s, soon to leave). While AA may lose some revenue by not having many different aircraft flying through many different hubs to serve specific markets to which they might be most closely matched (theoretically), AA saves huges amounts by not only simplifying the fleet but simplifying where the fleet flies and how it is destributed. If you don't land A300s in Boston, or MD80s in Miami, or 737s in JFK, you save hugely on spares, inventories, training, equipment, etc.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31782 posts, RR: 73 Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5587 times:
Quoting ISP (Reply 8): Funny. I saw an AA 738 at JFK in the hanger just last week. If they can sub planes, I'm sure they can have them rotate through the station on a regular basis.
No. They can't. JFK does not have the proper equipment to handle 738s. The 738 was probably a diversion from LaGuardia. JFK does not have the equipment to handle 738s from AA.
Quite obviously, any airport can handle an AA 738 as long as the runway is long enough. If there is some sort of situation in which AA has no choice but to send a 738 to JFK, the 738 can go there. Though that does not change the fact that JFK is not set up to handle AA's 738s on regular basis.
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2132 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4714 times:
Interesting....as the only unique piece of equipment these aircraft do not share is a towbar and type qualified pilots. As far as spare parts why could they not treat the birds as if at an out station and defer/borrow. Further, some out stations are handling all the types which sort of negates the initial AA premise.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10641 posts, RR: 62 Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4518 times:
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 10): As far as spare parts why could they not treat the birds as if at an out station and defer/borrow.
Why have another outstation? Why defer/borrow? That all costs money.
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 10): Further, some out stations are handling all the types which sort of negates the initial AA premise.
No, it doesn't. Some outstations -- albeit only a few -- are handling several different AA types, but these are small stations that may only see 1-2 daily flights from one particular aircraft type or another. However, if AA has to pay to set up outstations to handle multiple aircraft types, as the price for getting to streamline the number of aircraft types they have to support and huge hub stations like MIA, ORD, etc., then it makes obvious economic sense. If AA is going to have to pay to have a single station supporting many aircraft types, where would they rather pay to do it: a tiny station with only a few flights per day by each aircraft, and thus only a need for a small amount of equipment for each, or a hub where flying another aircraft type would require a critical mass of GSE, etc.
Fleet Service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3610 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9): They can't. JFK does not have the proper equipment to handle 738s.
"Proper equipment"being a beltloader, and a tow bar...
Going back about about five-six years but JFK used to see 73's on a regular basis.I remember bulking out the morning KIN/MBJ flight on the 738 on more than one occasion.I also remember working the following segments on the 738.JFK-SJC, JFK-SAN,JFK-BDL (Revenue Reposition),JFK-BOS (Loaded to the gills with connections from Asiana).
Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?