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NWA B757 DTW-FRA Test Flight Tonight 4/27/07  
User currently offlineNwab787techops From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13553 times:

Ship 5646 flying as NW9761 DTW-FRA tonight 04/27/07 at 2230. It's parked at A50 it DTW.....

[Edited 2007-04-28 03:25:37]

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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13504 times:

I think the bigger test will be how well it does on FRA-DTW!


GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13453 times:

Quoting Chugach (Reply 1):
I think the bigger test will be how well it does on FRA-DTW!

There's a reason it's a seasonal flight...



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7565 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13367 times:

It is operating as NW 9761


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13065 times:

Does this test flight come complete with passengers and cargo or is it just a few important people and the cockpit crew and their gear?


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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12878 times:

Quoting ThePalauan (Reply 4):
Does this test flight come complete with passengers and cargo or is it just a few important people and the cockpit crew and their gear?

I'm sure it won't have actual scheduled ordinary passengers for a test flight. However, it could have employee groups or payloads to simulate passengers. I'm not sure about that one.


User currently offlineMop357 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12869 times:

Quoting Nwab787techops (Thread starter):
Ship 5646 flying as NW9761 DTW-FRA tonight 04/27/07 at 2230. It's parked at A50 it DTW.....

That is a lot of mileage for a 753. I thought the range of the 757 was somewhere withing in 4,000 mile range. I think a 762 or 763 would be more sutable for this flight.


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1741 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12800 times:

Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
That is a lot of mileage for a 753. I thought the range of the 757 was somewhere withing in 4,000 mile range. I think a 762 or 763 would be more sutable for this flight.

NW doesn't have either of these.


User currently offlineTpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12794 times:

What proof do you have? I don't believe you!!

 Wink


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12778 times:

Wow... I still can't believe it! A 757 on FRA-DTW! I'm sorry, I know a lot of you think its great that the 757 is going transatlantic, and from BOS/EWR, etc. it's tolerable, but FRA-DTW has got to be almost 9 hours!

Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12766 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 5):
I'm sure it won't have actual scheduled ordinary passengers for a test flight.

what exactly is the point of a test flight

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.

why?? they both have two englines(at least the 767/77/a330
comfort problems = fixed by reconfiguring the aircraft



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12757 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 10):
why?? they both have two englines(at least the 767/77/a330
comfort problems = fixed by reconfiguring the aircraft

That was something I wasn't aware of... How will a transatlantic 757 with NW be configured compared to the normal domestic 757?



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 997 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12757 times:

Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
That is a lot of mileage for a 753

I think it can do it. CO often needs to fuel stop someplace, so I am sure that other than when they have perfect weather conditions, NW will be fuel stopping on this flight.

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody

IIRC the seat pitch on the 757 is about the same as on NW's A330s. Really not that different from a widebody...........



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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12716 times:

Yeah, well I am facing (albeit with mixed ffelings) my first transatlantic flight on a 757 in August (EWR-CGN). I still don't buy that it's the same as a widebody ride since on a widebody you can at least maneuver your way around the service carts, if desired and there is more room to walk around (I like to walk a few circles on a long flight before/after using the lavs). The seat pitch is the smallest problem IMHO, the three-abreast seating puts me off more (why I try to avoid T7s and 747s).


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineAwyrCymru From UK - Wales, joined Jul 2005, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12695 times:

An update - NWA9761 has made is accross the Pond , she's flying over South Wales, UK (as I type) at 41,000ft


AwyrCymru ~ AirWales
User currently offlineN501US From United States of America, joined May 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12558 times:
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Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
That is a lot of mileage for a 753.

True, but this aircraft is a 757-200.



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User currently offlineFlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12172 times:

Do the airlines still use technical stops? It was explained to me as effectively two flight plans. The first was to a destination that is well within the aircraft's range, so in this case perhaps Shannon, and the second is the desired destination. The crew then evaluates the flight as it approaches the "technical" destination and if everything still looks good, activates the second flight plan and continues to the final destination.


...are we there yet?
User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11479 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.

The upper deck of a 747 is a single aisle. I really don't have any problems up there.  Smile



/// U N I T E D
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7565 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11153 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.

NW's 757 Atlantic config will have more legroom then a widebody.

Quoting San747 (Reply 11):
That was something I wasn't aware of... How will a transatlantic 757 with NW be configured compared to the normal domestic 757?

Normal domestic holds 22 in FC and 162 in Coach for the 5600 series, which is flying this, however, they are reconfigured with 16 WBC and 143 in coach. However, the FRA flight will be restricted to 15 in WBC and 137 in coach for payload restrictions.

Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
That is a lot of mileage for a 753.

But its a 752.

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 12):
IIRC the seat pitch on the 757 is about the same as on NW's A330s. Really not that different from a widebody...........

Domestic config, yes, however the new transatlantic 757's will have 33-34 inches of legroom that 2-4" over the A330's.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10936 times:

Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 16):
Do the airlines still use technical stops? It was explained to me as effectively two flight plans. The first was to a destination that is well within the aircraft's range, so in this case perhaps Shannon, and the second is the desired destination. The crew then evaluates the flight as it approaches the "technical" destination and if everything still looks good, activates the second flight plan and continues to the final destination.

That's reclear or decision-point. Tech stop is actually stopping. But many many many international flights are in fact planned with a decision point, and you are only cleared to continue to your planned destination if you have a certain minimum amount of fuel remaining at the decision point. Only a single flight plan is filed. The main point is you can reduce contingency fuel, which is based on a percentage of either flight time or fuel (depending on what regs you fly under), which allows a lower total fuel load and higher payload. Many routes can't really be flown profitably without reclear, but in practice these flights continue to their planned destinations nearly all the time.

Technical stop means an actual planned or unplanned stop to refuel and/or switch crew.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10902 times:

Cmon guys. Being on a widebody is much better. It is wayyyy less claustrophobic. On a 763, there is only one chance of a middle seat. Ceilings are much higher on a widebody, there are more lavatories, etc. 752 would not be my ideal aircraft for a transatlantic crossing ESPECIALLY if there is a risk of a fuel stop somewhere along the way.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10831 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
FRA-DTW has got to be almost 9 hours!

We fly TXL-EWR, BCN-EWR (both scheduled over 9 hours (9 and change)).

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.

Nothing to call you. It is about non-stop choice, that's all. Without the 757, the choice for non-stops to certain cities would be smaller.

It comes down to economics. Some routes do better with a 757 than a bigger aircraft.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10387 times:

how can NW get that much range out of the 752 powered by PW2037's?? Is NW taking a major hit on the amount of cargo they carry?


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10292 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 22):
how can NW get that much range out of the 752 powered by PW2037's?? Is NW taking a major hit on the amount of cargo they carry?



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18):
Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
Call me what you will, but if I'm crossing a major pond, I'd prefer to be on a widebody.

NW's 757 Atlantic config will have more legroom then a widebody.

Quoting San747 (Reply 11):
That was something I wasn't aware of... How will a transatlantic 757 with NW be configured compared to the normal domestic 757?

Normal domestic holds 22 in FC and 162 in Coach for the 5600 series, which is flying this, however, they are reconfigured with 16 WBC and 143 in coach. However, the FRA flight will be restricted to 15 in WBC and 137 in coach for payload restrictions.

Quoting Mop357 (Reply 6):
That is a lot of mileage for a 753.

But its a 752.

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 12):
IIRC the seat pitch on the 757 is about the same as on NW's A330s. Really not that different from a widebody...........

Domestic config, yes, however the new transatlantic 757's will have 33-34 inches of legroom that 2-4" over the A330's.

Here's your answers.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7565 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10031 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 22):
how can NW get that much range out of the 752 powered by PW2037's?? Is NW taking a major hit on the amount of cargo they carry?

The engines will be upgraded with a plug... one of PW's engineers posted on here a while back about it. The PW engines also have a longer range then the RR engines.

Quote:
Range with P&W engines and 186 passengers 5053km (2728nm), with RR engines 4758km (2569nm). Range at optional max takeoff weight with P&W engines 7277km (3929nm), with RR engines 6888km (3719nm). 757-200PF


[Edited 2007-04-28 20:15:24]


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
25 UN_B732 : Is there a specific 6 seats in Coach that are blocked off on the DTW-FRA flight? -A
26 San747 : Yeah, but isn't NW still flying the A330-300 on the route and the 757 is a supplementary flight? I don't know if this situation is the same as EWR-BR
27 VC10DC10 : You are completely correct, sir.
28 Type-Rated : Just imagine that you are back in the 60's and crossing the pond on a 707 or DC-8. Same difference.
29 VC10DC10 : Exactly! By the way, I'm guessing that N546US has been fitted with winglets by now. The photo database doesn't have any of her with them.
30 BY738 : Will there be a NW 757 coming to GLA soon ?
31 Detroitflyer : probably not, i hear they have trouble on their london routes, why would they come to gla?? I see more cities in Germany being added first, or even z
32 Jetjack74 : Not quite true. It's restricted to 15C/137Y because those seats are blocked for crew rest, not payload. One BC seat for relief pilot and 3 seats for
33 BY738 : Has been persistently rumoured for a GLA- DTW summer 2008 start.
34 Vega : It's the Westbound 757 leg that's really the concern. Has the aircraft returned to DTW without a fuel stop?[Edited 2007-04-28 23:50:43]
35 OA260 : They are also talking about a DUB to DTW in Spring 2008 and are talking to various other EU airports also, but I guess its all talks until something
36 757ops : At ET the 752's powered by PW Engines fly ADD to LHR non-stop with 16C 144Y and up to 3 tonnes of cargo, that flight is about 8hrs 30min to 9hrs
37 LTU932 : NW isn't sending 753s across the pond. They'll use the 752. A high gross weight 757-200, with either RB211-535E4 or PW2040 engines have a stated maxi
38 Vega : Actually, I believe most of the (infrequent) fuel stops are done because of head wind conditions on the westbound transit, particularly during winter
39 TeamREGAL : WOW. We really have become spoiled and are so that most of us are simply not willing to go across the pond on a narrowbody at all. I love widebodies m
40 AA87 : Unless I missed a post, did anyone mention that several years ago LH operated 757 service from Germany (don't think FRA, seem to recall it was I think
41 Detroitflyer : LH is about to start to do a dus - dtw with their 757's
42 Vega : In what year/s did LH fly a 757? As far as I know, LH does not currently have any 757s in their inventory.
43 Azjubilee : That'll be interesting to see... since LH doesn't even have 757s. AZJ
44 LHStarAlliance : right LH doesn´t have 757s , DE has but LH not . Konstantin
45 Post contains images LTU932 : They flew them a few years back, but it was for a short trial period and the equipment came from DE. The trial didn't give them the results they want
46 Post contains images LHStarAlliance : Not more
47 EWRCabincrew : Regardless. Doesn't matter, economics is economics. That and, again, some cities wouldn't see service otherwise. Even FRA-DTW would only have one wit
48 LHboyatDTW : I've heard rumors of NW expanding even more as far as transatlantic goes. I've been hearing both ZRH and MUC as potential new cities for NW. I believe
49 NWA757boy : NW is starting DTW-DUS this summer with the 757
50 Hjulicher : I would agree with you if it was a NW domestic operated flight, but on international, NW really goes above and beyond than other US airlines. I think
51 Floris : Having just flown their A330 in business class from San Francisco via Tokyo to Singapore, I beg to differ. Service was hardly existent (the crew spen
52 Dtwclipper : I don't know about the Asian carriers, but I have flown on most of the Skyteam airlines across the pond, and NW did a great job on my last trans Atla
53 Burnsie28 : Despite the crew, I don't know how the meal was substandard with 4 courses, the appetizer, salad, main course of which when I flew FRA-DTW was a ton
54 LHboyatDTW : I have flown the NW A330 and while it was nice with the IFE, I barely noticed the crew for most of the time. Though when they were there, it seemed li
55 Tornado82 : How does the length of this flight compare to CO's longest 752 European flights from EWR? I'm assuming this is at least a couple hundred nm longer?
56 EWRCabincrew : EWR-TXL 3980 miles EWR-BCN 3848 miles DTW-FRA 4161 miles DTW-DUS 4049 miles
57 Airbazar : But on that route you don't have to face the jetstream head-on, as you do on a westbound transatlantic route.
58 Tornado82 : Thanks, and good luck NW in that case. Although DTW isn't known for doing laps like EWR is so that will help somewhat.
59 Floris : It's not about quantity, it is about quality. A Big Mac is a lot of food too. A salad at NW consists of a bowl of salad leaves and dressing from a sm
60 Post contains images Indy : Well if it has legs to run DTW-FRA then it has legs to run IND-AMS since its a 10 mile difference.
61 Burnsie28 : In coach it does, but when I flew it in WBC they came around and poured dressing from a cart on a dinner sized plate with the salad on it. Flew FRA-D
62 3201 : Yes the 777 is significantly wider, but most airlines use 7-abreast in business class in the 777. Even SQ, who use 6-abreast in their 2-class 777-200
63 Geotrash : Looks like the duration of the flight to FRA was 8 hours, 14 minutes. It will be interesting to see what the actual time for the return flight will be
64 Post contains images Flyorski : Couldn't agree with you more............ Why should they be thrilled? Communicating with the pax (as you call joking) is just as important, as preten
65 PhilSquares : Could you explain your comments about how the government enters into your "logic". In addition, while there may be no LCC competition, there is plent
66 DTW757 : When is this return flight or has it already happened?
67 Post contains links Cubsrule : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NWA9761 It took 7 minutes longer than the company airbus (and flew about the same route)
68 Airbazar : Actually I think he was wrong in the LCC comment too. SIN sees plenty of LCC service and the number of carriers and size of the market continues to i
69 Filejw : I read with good humor all comments about food on airplanes. Having been all over the world on every airline mention above I must say anybody that has
70 Lemurs : Except for CO (and now DL with their new J cabin), which is notable since they have the most similar J offering to NW in the US, and are SkyTeam as w
71 Burnsie28 : NW will release their new WBC that will be introduced along side the 787 here shortly.
72 Lemurs : Excellent, glad to hear it. I assume it will be retrofitted to the A330's as well in somewhat short order? I am a CO flyer for the most part, but NW
73 Post contains images KaiGywer : On Delta's 763ERs, there are 23 chances, one in each row Do I get the food from that era too?
74 Colingally : I'm pondering the DUS-DTT flight this July. I'm really really contemplating it as it's the cheapest at the moment to get to CLE my final destination.
75 Burnsie28 : Well it will have more leg room then the A330 by a inch or two. I've been on a 757 for 6hrs, its not that bad.
76 Dmt52 : I have booked the DTW-DUS flight in June and am returning in August on the DUS-DTW flight. I am actually looking forward to it. I am in WBC and I want
77 Post contains images Tornado82 : Will be interesting to see what this flight's westbound on-time rating will be when it gets into service. Good luck to NW, but I think this might have
78 787EWR : I thought all 757s going across the pond were had winglets for the (slightly) increased range?
79 Jnj561 : I flew this bird the morning of April 27th from DTW to FLL. The flight attendant was telling us in first that it would be going to Frankfurt that even
80 3201 : Did not know that -- and do agree with you, NW definitely intends to have a similar product to CO and DL. I guess that would in fact mean 5-abreast W
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