TurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2736 times:
I have been waiting for this for so long....This will be great....I flew this route in 2001 and it was so convenient not to have a stopover in FRA like I did in 2004.
Plus these flights flies over the eastern coast of Africa where there is less turbulence. Or at least that's how I felt... My LH CPT-JNB-FRA flight was the most turbulence ever... I heard these flights usually are turbulent... It's a night flight and it's impossible to sleep while bouncing right and left for hours....
On the same link above, it also says that TK will wet-lease an Airbus 330-200 and a Boeing 737-800 to be used between June 15 and December 15.....
Ankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2621 times:
TK should expand its market in North America and should not rely solely on LH on this market. LH will gain more than TK on this. Further, TK should be trying to tie Ankara and Izmir with the rest of the world as the imbalance between the three large cities in terms of direct cities served from Turkey is unacceptably wide to Istanbul's favor.
TK should adopt a multi-hub operating system. I am fed up flying to Istanbul particularly when I am flying to Middle East (back-track) this is illogical and uneconomical. On my flight from DXB to ESB via IST last week I observed around 20% was flying to IST, more than half was ESB and ADB and the rest international transit that also does not have to fly out always from IST.
TK should not spread themselves too thin.
TK also has to revise its fleet choice as Turkey is not Austria. They need larger airplanes (more wide bodies) and may be even 747s. TK's policy of utilizing B7373-800 to medium range flights up to 5 hours is wrong as these planes lack the comfort you can get in a wide body. They have to increase 330s or similar, or go for a rational mix 777 and 787.
I welcome the South Africa flights but more flights from ESB and ADB please.....!
AF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2597 times:
Quoting Ankaraflyjet (Reply 3): TK should adopt a multi-hub operating system. I am fed up flying to Istanbul particularly when I am flying to Middle East (back-track) this is illogical and uneconomical. On my flight from DXB to ESB via IST last week I observed around 20% was flying to IST, more than half was ESB and ADB and the rest international transit that also does not have to fly out always from IST.
Multihub airlines are doomed to fail, unless you have the size of an LH. Your best bet in getting more connectivity without backtracking is to find new carrier and link to their hub. If, for example, Royal Jordanian started flying to Ankara, you could connect to anywhere on their network in a directional manner.
To hope that TK will set up a hub at ESB is to hope that they will fail. Just look at how well Alitalia is doing with two hubs at MXP and FCO, and how well SK is doing with two hubs at CPH and ARN, and how well SV is doing at JED and RUH. Hub airlines must stick to one hub city unless you are an enormous carrier.
will it be a A330 or A340 destination?
anyways this is a great move of TK. they're expanding very healthy. this route is also a good alternative for South Africa starting pax flying to Eastern Europe where TK have a lot of connections. If they could get good slots and timings this route could be a cash maschine.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25160 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2352 times:
Hopefully TK will have a better time in South Africa then its previous experience.
The carrier dropped out of the market in 2002 following a massive influx of seats from Europe from 2000 onwards which trashed market yields, in addition to the global slump in travel experienced after 9/11.
I'm sure the Star Alliance tie in will help this time around linking two-hubs Star hubs and also make THY an attractive option to SAA Voyager frequent flyer members as well.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Andz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 2): CPT-JNB-FRA flight was the most turbulence ever... I heard these flights usually are turbulent... It's a night flight and it's impossible to sleep while bouncing right and left for hours....
Normal all year round, when you fly SAA they warn you before you even take off about turbulence over equatorial Africa.
After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
Most probably a 330 at least initially due to its lower capacity. 22 C class seats of 330 sounds more logical than having 34 of them on the route until the route proves to be a success. And, I do believe this time it will work better esp. because of the Star Alliance partnership. TK will again codeshare with SA. They will carry TK's pax to Southern Africa from JNB and TK will carry theirs to Eastern Europe and Central Asia...
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 6): If they could get good slots and timings this route could be a cash machine.
The timing will most probably be similar to TK'S previous flight. Leaving IST at around midnight to arrive in CPT around midday and leave CPT again in the afternoon to arrive in IST early in the morning which will work very well for European and domestic flight connections but not so well to Central Asia ones.
Quoting TK787 (Reply 10): This will be a nice travel spot to many Turks in the winter and no jetlags and no visa reqs.
This was the exact reason why I went to CPT in the first place in 2001. I fell in love city and went back for the second time later, and third time is soon I tel you
Quoting SW733 (Reply 11): Any chance of this negatively impacting Olympic's ATH-JNB loads?
It most probably will have an impact on their flights especially due to TK's strong presence in Eastern Europe.
JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1924 times:
Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 13): It most probably will have an impact on their flights especially due to TK's strong presence in Eastern Europe.
That's right, I know that TK's BEG (via IST) to DXB sales are doing very well, smack in the face of JU who operates 5 weekly rotations itself!
There is a substantial Serbian community in South Africa who used to fly OS and AZ before, ended up with OA (not by choice) and will be more than happy to switch over to TK whose prices are very decent from BEG.
Quoting AF022 (Reply 15): Isn't OA dropping JNB in the near future?
I believe so, I think there was a thread about it a while back and something to do with HKG needing the JNB aircraft availability.
Vincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1902 times:
Any chance of TK bringing larger aircrafts in the future such as 748 or A380? At current rate of growth and TK's ambitious plans, it can be 4th largest airlines in Europe. Current networks aside, IST can be served as a mega hub between Europe (even Eastern Europe, Middle East, North Africa) and Asia, without backtracking from FRA, CDG, and LHR.
Another huge advantage is flight to India/Pakistan, one single aircraft can provide daily service (optimal 14-15 hour utilization per 24 hours).
Stylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1861 times:
Quoting Vincewy (Reply 19): Any chance of TK bringing larger aircrafts in the future such as 748 or A380?
this is very unlikely because they don't have the yields to fill these large aircrafts neither IST airport is A380 ready. they also have no intentions to be ready in the future...
if they don't expand the current airport IST and TK won't be the 4th in Europe. all the future growth depends on the size of the airport.
GFA330 From Turkey, joined Oct 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1793 times:
Quoting SW733 (Reply 11): Saw this on wikipedia today...awesome news. Any chance of this negatively impacting Olympic's ATH-JNB loads?
Most of the JNB CPT traffic is now being carried by EK, QR and GF ( untill July )
This is not a huge market but a wise choice to fly non stop by TK, it has lots of leisure and business potential and is growing more and more.
EK and QR are loosing out here.... as the connex to JNB require STPC in DOH and DXB on the in and or outbound