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User currently offlineTrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

An attendant on this 2007 flight makes an announcement briefly before landing (it appears to be in German). Then in English, he says "Ladies and gentlemen, may we now ask you to extinguish now your cigarette and adjust the back rest of your seat and your table to an upright position" I wonder if he also mentions smoking in the German announcment.

Airbus A340-2000 crosswind landing!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgXvX4aZqog

Could this be LH? If not, any idea which carrier? Is smoking still allowed on certain sectors or charter flights (how about Turkish Airlines)? Can anyone identify the city this flight lands in? Wouldn't passengers be asked to fasten seat belts, stow tray tables and bring seats fully upright at the beginning of descent? This announcement takes place less than 2 minutes before landing. So if I was having a cigarette, would the attendants not stop me until then?

Could it be that the information read out was simply outdated and it really was a non smoking flight?

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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1453 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
(how about Turkish Airlines)?

What makes you think it might be TK? You have no idea about Turkey are you? I am highly offended by this comment because I know exactly why you thought it would be TK....

Smoking has been banned on TK since 1998.

Besides, TK''s final approach announcement is as follows:

"Ladies and gentlemen, in a few minutes, we will be landing at Istanbul Ataturk Airport. Please check once again that your seat belts are fastened, your seats are upright and your tray tables are closed. Thank you"



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9727 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

That is LH and it is a rather old clip. LH did have some 340-200s in the early 90s and that was whe smoking was still alllowed on flights.

Luckily, it is no longer allowed for many years. They should forbid clapping after landings as well, BTW.



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offline4holer26 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 65 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 1):
I am highly offended by this comment because I know exactly why you thought it would be TK....

Pardon my ignorance, but just how would you be 'highly offended' by this remark?

I'm amazed that in this day in age people feel that being offended is some sort of 'crime.' As they say about driving licenses in th US, 'It's not a right'



I love the smell of Jet-A in the morning!!!
User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1453 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

Quoting 4holer26 (Reply 3):
Pardon my ignorance, but just how would you be 'highly offended' by this remark?

Because, he knew it was a European airline and thought it would be TK because Turkey is the most underdeveloped country in Europe where smoking might still be allowed.... Your ignorance pardoned...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
An attendant on this 2007 flight makes an announcement briefly before landing (it appears to be in German).

It is indeed German.

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
Could this be LH?

LH is the only German airline that operated all A340 variants except the -500.

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
Is smoking still allowed on certain sectors or charter flights (how about Turkish Airlines)?

You can rest assured that in all Europe, smoking is no longer allowed on board any aircraft. And please don't single out one airline if you don't know the airline at all, like you did with TK.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2):
They should forbid clapping after landings as well, BTW.

Why? I find that it's a way to thank the pilot for an outstanding landing. IMO if a pilot does an excellent job, he should be fully acknowledged.  Wink


User currently offline4holer26 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 65 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 4):
Because, he knew it was a European airline and thought it would be TK because Turkey is the most underdeveloped country in Europe where smoking might still be allowed.... Your ignorance pardoned...

Understood. Maybe I over estimated the original posters mental aptitude, seeing as the video description clearly states the airline is LH.



Good Day

Paul

[Edited 2007-04-28 09:24:01]


I love the smell of Jet-A in the morning!!!
User currently offlineTrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

The reference to LH and JFK is there. However, the description did not feature when I originally accessed this link.
Sorry Turkish Wings - I've been to Turkey and love it. No offense intended, but I did think that smoking may have still been allowed on Turkish Airlines.  duck  Thank you for the clarification on that point. It seems that the video is old footage, just posted this year - hence my enquiry.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
LH is the only German airline that operated all A340 variants except the -500.

LH operated since years no more the 200 version.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
LH operated since years no more the 200 version.

Notice the past tense in my statement. Obviously they don't fly the -200 anymore, but overall, they did operate all A340 variants with the exception of the -500.  Wink


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
Notice the past tense in my statement. Obviously they don't fly the -200 anymore, but overall, they did operate all A340 variants with the exception of the -500.

yes after the second look.... well all what I say is grammer....  Confused



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9727 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):

Why? I find that it's a way to thank the pilot for an outstanding landing

because it is stupid. Pilots are professionals and not artists All landings that are no crash landings are outstanding. On the other hand, I would eventually clap after a survived crash landing, because that would be really outstanding.

Quoting Trent1000 (Reply 7):
Sorry Turkish Wings - I've been to Turkey and love i

No need to apologize to a guy for his nationalistic over reaction to funny remark.



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27295 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 1):
What makes you think it might be TK? You have no idea about Turkey are you?



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 11):
No need to apologize to a guy for his nationalistic over reaction to funny remark.

Yes the reaction was way over the top !!! Can we have some moderation please????


Are there any airlines that still allow smoking ???


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1453 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 11):
No need to apologize to a guy for his nationalistic over reaction to funny remark

Which funny remark? I don't see anything funny there....

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Yes the reaction was way over the top !!! Can we have some moderation please????

Why am I not surprised about your reaction?



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User currently offlinePRGDLGUY From Czech Republic, joined Sep 2006, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Are there any airlines that still allow smoking ???

Don´t know if now...but about 3-4 years back I was o/b Thomas Cook/ Condor flight Dresden - Tenerife and I was suprised that that flight was smoking!!!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27295 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 13):
Why am I not surprised about your reaction?

Please do explain your comments ??? I really wish to know why you are not suprised!!!  Embarrassment

Quoting PRGDLGUY (Reply 14):
Don´t know if now...but about 3-4 years back I was o/b Thomas Cook/ Condor flight Dresden - Tenerife and I was suprised that that flight was smoking!!!

Is there a law that says airlines must not allow smoking onboard?? Could a EU airline suddenly allow it if they wanted?? I am against smoking onboard but I am just wondering if it is self governing or is it actually the law.


User currently offlinePRGDLGUY From Czech Republic, joined Sep 2006, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

There was also rumour a couple of years back that someone wants to fly C class "smoking" only a/c on Germany - Japan market.

User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9727 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Quoting PRGDLGUY (Reply 16):
There was also rumour a couple of years back that someone wants to fly C class "smoking" only a/c on Germany - Japan market.

"Smintair" which stands for "Smokers International Air" is the brain fart of a Duesselforf business man who got some media attention. As trains go (fortunately) smokeless as well this autumn, he will start a smokerail or railsmoke as well. He may end up owning some Shisha lounges.

Anyway, he will never get the permission to start such an airline, especiallysince we get finally some anti smoking legislation. in Germany as well. Too many legal obstacles. He could try to run it as a club, but then he still needs staff. Staff will have the right to a smokefree workplace. He can make smoking a condition in the contracts, however when there is a law that gives employees the right for a smokefree workplace, a worker can sign what he wants, he still could insist on a smokefree workplace and would win that case.

Anyway, this airline will never take off, for many more reasons than shown above.



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1453 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
Please do explain your comments ??? I really wish to know why you are not suprised!!!

You first tell me why my remark was over the top then I will tell you what you already know...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27295 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 18):
You first tell me why my remark was over the top then I will tell you what you already know...

The guy said was it TK so whats wrong with that ??? He was asking a question and wasnt implying that it was good or bad. He was asking a question. He could have said the same if he thought it was AZ,LY,OA,TK or whatever!!! He was not making a statement about anything else . You just took it the wrong way . There are different attitudes to smoking between Western Europe and the Balkans/Turkey so one could be forgiven to think that a Balkan or Eastern airline might have allowed smoking . Living in a country where there is a total smoking ban inside public areas I hate it when I go to the Balkans to visit family and have to sit in smoke and I think they are behind when it comes to public health but Im sure my family who smoke would disagree.


User currently offlineIFixPlanes From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
An attendant on this 2007 flight makes an announcement briefly before......

Sorry, but why do you think this flight is from 2007?

Try reading the "Comments & Responses" to this video:
...
Heterodyne (2 months ago)
Extingush your cigarette? There are airlines that still allow you to smoke these days?!
(Reply)
vmMovies (2 months ago)
_1993!!!



never tell an engineer he is wrong ;-)
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Can we have some moderation please

Sure can . . .

The thread went off the deep end with the third reply, and continued to remain more a host of personal attacks and 'apparently' hurt feelings. Rather than using SD feature, the thread degenerates into a bash fest. Great work.



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