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Air Canada Charging For Pillows!  
User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 7736 times:

As of May 1st 2007, passengers flying on a Tango Plus or R&R fare to one of AC's "Sun Destinations" will have to pay US/CAD $2.00 for the pillow pack. Also sold from the "on board cafe" are other delights. Candy bars for a dollar, cereal in a cup for two bucks. Wine and beer for $5. For $10 ($2 dollar discount) you get a small can of Pringles, a sandwich and beer! J class still gets "real" food.

Non alcoholic beverages are still served free............for now!

My question is "When did Air Canada become a Low Cost Airline?"

From AC's web site

"Our new Onboard café offers choice, value and greater flexibility. You decide what meal-type to purchase onboard. We are pleased to offer our Economy Class customers with a popular new innovative menu of reasonably priced items.

Enjoy a tasty sandwich, hot pizza or simply indulge on a popular snack, the choice is all yours. This new service is now offered on all Continental North American flight of 1h30 or longer (Hawaiian and Mexican destinations excluded).

As an added benefit to our Latitude fare customers, we are pleased to offer a complimentary snack selection on our short haul flights between 1½ and 2 hours, and a complimentary sandwich and snack selection on our flights of more than 2 hours, upon presentation of your boarding pass. To obtain your complimentary offering please present your boarding pass during the meal service to the flight attendants on your flight.

Special Meals are not offered on flights where the Onboard Café service is offered. Every effort has been made to present a variety of choices catering to different tastes and requirements. A wide selection of Kosher certified products are available."

(*Destinations include: Antigua, Aruba, Bermuda, Bridgetown, Cayo Coco, Cancun, Cozumel, Grand Cayman, Grenada, Havana, Holquin, Kingston, Liberia, Montego Bay, Nassau, Providenciales, Port au Prince, Puerta Plata, Pointe a Pitre, Punta Cana, Puerto Vallarta, San Jose del Cabo, San Jose (CR), San Juan (PR), St. Maarten, Hewanorra, Varadero, and Zihuatanejo.)

So the way I read this is if your fare is Latitude or above you do not pay, but below you do. Show your ticket stub for a "free" meal. I can hear the "seat sale" passengers now..............................................Roll on summer. The heat is on!

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User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 7714 times:

their mentality can be quite odd. I fly from Winnipeg to toronto for 2.5 hours and we get only drinks for free. I fly from toronto to NYC for less than an hour, and i at least get a pack of snacks. THAT makes NO sense to me.

User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 7696 times:

Quoting Lostturttle (Thread starter):
(*Destinations include: Antigua, Aruba, Bermuda, Bridgetown, Cayo Coco, Cancun, Cozumel, Grand Cayman, Grenada, Havana, Holquin, Kingston, Liberia, Montego Bay, Nassau, Providenciales, Port au Prince, Puerta Plata, Pointe a Pitre, Punta Cana, Puerto Vallarta, San Jose del Cabo, San Jose (CR), San Juan (PR), St. Maarten, Hewanorra, Varadero, and Zihuatanejo.)

I notice POS and CCS aren't on that list- is it because of the competition with BW??

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3247 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 7696 times:

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 1):
I fly from Winnipeg to toronto for 2.5 hours and we get only drinks for free. I fly from toronto to NYC for less than an hour, and i at least get a pack of snacks. THAT makes NO sense to me.

On which route of the two do they have competition?

Tony



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 7688 times:

Have my own opinion of this initiative, but looks like we're following in the footsteps of many of our Southern neighbours (UA/AA, etc) who have had B.O.B. in this region for quite some time. Believe that UA has B.O.B. on their ORD/HNL flights which are 8 hours in duration, so I think the 2.5 hour flight to BDA is survivable.


Above and Beyond
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 7668 times:

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 1):
their mentality can be quite odd. I fly from Winnipeg to toronto for 2.5 hours and we get only drinks for free. I fly from toronto to NYC for less than an hour, and i at least get a pack of snacks. THAT makes NO sense to me.

It's not odd at all. YWG/YYZ offers the on-board cafe service because of the flight duration. Bar snacks or cookies are boarded on short-haul flights (LGA/EWR/BOS/YUL, etc), because flying time does not permit offering the buy on board service. It was initially offered on several of these routes, and the crews were running out of time as the service is too time intensive for too short a flight.

Mystery solved??



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 7668 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 4):
so I think the 2.5 hour flight to BDA is survivable.

If you can get on the flight. A319 still on the route, usually a A320.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 7637 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 2):
I notice POS and CCS aren't on that list- is it because of the competition with BW??

Probably because of the flight duration/distance, as CCS is the furthest point on the joint operation. They compete with JM, yet MBJ & KIN are included in the B.O.B. destinations. However Mexico City avoided the axe, and in light of the fact that they compete with MX who is no longer a Star Alliance member.

Go figure.
 boggled 



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 7637 times:

Quoting Lostturttle (Thread starter):
As of May 1st 2007, passengers flying on a Tango Plus or R&R fare to one of AC's "Sun Destinations" will have to pay US/CAD $2.00 for the pillow pack. Also sold from the "on board cafe" are other delights. Candy bars for a dollar, cereal in a cup for two bucks. Wine and beer for $5. For $10 ($2 dollar discount) you get a small can of Pringles, a sandwich and beer! J class still gets "real" food.

Non alcoholic beverages are still served free............for now!

My question is "When did Air Canada become a Low Cost Airline?"


Montie Brewer's (Prez, AC) take is that what you are buying is a seat on a specific flight. Everything else is a 'value-add' -- that you pay for. We've been doing this domestically for quite some time now.

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 6):
If you can get on the flight. A319 still on the route, usually a A320.

I thought the E-jets were on that route now. Maybe only for the winter.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 7623 times:

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 8):
I thought the E-jets were on that route now. Maybe only for the winter.

Still the "bus". There was some talk of an addtional Embraer flights YYZ-BDA, and perhaps even a YUL-BDA service.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 7):
Probably because of the flight duration/distance, as CCS is the furthest point on the joint operation. They compete with JM, yet MBJ & KIN are included in the B.O.B. destinations. However Mexico City avoided the axe, and in light of the fact that they compete with MX who is no longer a Star Alliance member.

Thanks- cheers!

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

You get what you pay for. Tango fares are rock bottom. That fare will get you from point A to point B. If you want something else, pay a higher fare or pay for extras you might want. Not a bad concept in my book.

User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 3):

On YWG to YYZ, there is westjet. As far as YYZ to NYC(LGA), well i guess there is a bit serving those two cities.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 5):

I would just prefer to be offered the little bag of snacks on the YWG to YYZ leg. I dont usually buy on board, so the fact that that is NOT on the shorter segment is fine with me. Its just longer segments should offer something small to eat for free.


User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 7566 times:

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 8):
I thought the E-jets were on that route now. Maybe only for the winter.

I heard that rumor a few days ago, If Air Canada put on an E-Jet to Bermuda they may as well pack up the operation. On most days the 319 is too small ............

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 9):
perhaps even a YUL-BDA service

That was it I think.

[Edited 2007-04-30 03:40:12]

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 7422 times:

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 12):
I would just prefer to be offered the little bag of snacks on the YWG to YYZ leg. I dont usually buy on board, so the fact that that is NOT on the shorter segment is fine with me. Its just longer segments should offer something small to eat for free.

Just can't figure the psychological attachment to a package of Peak Frean Cookies or 10 sesame sticks. Just pack something decent and nutritious from home. This is flying reality in North America.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 7318 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 11):
You get what you pay for. Tango fares are rock bottom.

They perhaps are. But the much higher Tango Plus fares don't give you anything either. I've just paid some $ 1100 + taxes for a return flight from YXU to YXC. For this money you can easily get from YYZ to Europe. Do you still consider it rock bottom?

Quoting CRJpurser (Reply 14):
You know what? Check the history of the fares. Tickets are cheaper then they have ever been!

Are they now? In September I paid some $1900 (incl. taxes) for a RT ticket from YXU to YEG. Is it really so cheap?

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 15):
This is flying reality in North America.

Yup. I guess that sums it up.

Quoting Lostturttle (Thread starter):
Wine and beer for $5.

Let's compare that to restaurant prices. While a 12 oz can of beer for $ 5 is expensive, 187 ml of wine is not bad and 50 ml of liquor for this price is a bargain. In any bar you would get an imperial oz for this money. Yes, it would be nice to get the food and booze "free" (read included in price) but the reality is different nowadays. I settle for timely and safe arrival to my destination.

Quoting Lostturttle (Thread starter):
J class still gets "real" food.

As a matter of fact, I had a chance to compare the "real" food from J to BOB sandwiches from Y lately, combining flights in both classes. The food in J is nicely served and you can enjoy it in a much bigger seat, but I somehow find the BOB items bigger...


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 11):
You get what you pay for. Tango fares are rock bottom.

The release refers to Tango Plus fares. I'm not even sure that Tango fares are available on the mentioned routes.



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 11 hours ago) and read 6992 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 16):
Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 11):
You get what you pay for. Tango fares are rock bottom.

They perhaps are. But the much higher Tango Plus fares don't give you anything either. I've just paid some $ 1100 + taxes for a return flight from YXU to YXC. For this money you can easily get from YYZ to Europe. Do you still consider it rock bottom?

Quoting CRJpurser (Reply 14):
You know what? Check the history of the fares. Tickets are cheaper then they have ever been!

Are they now? In September I paid some $1900 (incl. taxes) for a RT ticket from YXU to YEG. Is it really so cheap?

Tango Plus (which is what I use exclusively) is generally not that much more than Tango, often $30-40 outbound & inbound. That way I always get the seat I want.

Just checked YXU-YEG for May and I can get r/t for $1392, all in. So maybe you were choosing the most desirable flgiht, or simply didn't do your homework. Caveat emptor.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 18):
Just checked YXU-YEG for May and I can get r/t for $1392, all in. So maybe you were choosing the most desirable flgiht, or simply didn't do your homework. Caveat emptor.

I wouldn't consider YXU-YEG for $ 1392 exactly cheap. You can get from YXU to LHR and back for less in May.

The $ 1900 flight to YEG was a short notice emergency trip. With the load factors AC has nowadays, there wasn't too much choice. Only Latitude Plus was available. I ended up flying in J anyway.


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5057 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 6730 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 19):
I wouldn't consider YXU-YEG for $ 1392 exactly cheap. You can get from YXU to LHR and back for less in May.

The $ 1900 flight to YEG was a short notice emergency trip. With the load factors AC has nowadays, there wasn't too much choice. Only Latitude Plus was available. I ended up flying in J anyway.

Well lets compare apples to apples.

Yes you can get from YXU to LHR for cheaper in May, but not by much and NOT in J class, as you have booked.

Cheapest J class R/T YXU-LHR-YXU is $5015 plus taxes and charges.

Bottom line, is that airlines are a business and fares/flights are the balance of the commodity. Its no different than buying a Shelby Mustang GT500 for $20,000 over list price (best price), or a Mustang V6 coupe for 15% off list price. Last minute, high demand flights are a luxury which costs. and you have shown that.

The fact that load factors are high on the flights you have selected indicate that they are in fact, high demand flights.



Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

They've been selling the pillow pack for ages. I have one - they're great!!


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User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

But most of these, if not all, are actually Air Canada Vacations flights no?

User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 20):
Cheapest J class R/T YXU-LHR-YXU is $5015 plus taxes and charges.

As a matter of fact, it is more like $ 3300 + taxes.

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 20):
Yes you can get from YXU to LHR for cheaper in May, but not by much and NOT in J class, as you have booked.

The difference between J and Y Latitude Plus used to be some $ 70 one way on this route. So it would be still more expensive than the trip to LHR.

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 20):
Last minute, high demand flights are a luxury which costs. and you have shown that.

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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5057 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 6437 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 23):
As a matter of fact, it is more like $ 3300 + taxes.

I just checked on line.

Mid week one way YXU-LHR is $2507 plus the return is $2508. I didn't see any $3300 round trip fares.

I remember when Air Canada introduced the B747, (yes, I really am that old!). The two initial routes were YYZ-YVR and YYZ-LHR, (plus a few others). I recall the news release when complaining about Air Canada's fares that the full Y fare YYZ-YVR (basically the only fare at the time) was more expensive than the Excursion Fare (the most likely fare used) from YYZ-LHR.

.... the more things change ...

[Edited 2007-04-30 16:34:32]


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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 6253 times:

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 24):
Mid week one way YXU-LHR is $2507 plus the return is $2508. I didn't see any $3300 round trip fares.

My fault. The $ 3300 includes a Saturday night stay. With this, economy is running around $ 1100 incl. taxes.


25 Tornado82 : Are these different levels of coach class fares? If so, how are the F/A's to determine mid-flight who paid what for their tickets for if they get the
26 UnitedFirst : On most domestic & transborder routes, Air Canada offers three levels of coach: Tango, TangoPlus & Latitude, each offering different fare attributes
27 FLYACYYZ : An alpha-numeric coding on their boarding card which is cross referenced if need be with the final manifest determines who the eligible customers are
28 SSTsomeday : As a Canadian living in L.A., I have had to opportunity to fly Air Canada a great deal over the last 20 years. It seems that they have always been in
29 CRJpurser : The pillow packs are available for $2.00. They are free to only UMs and passengers in Executive Class. For this $2.00 you get a brand new blanket and
30 Tornado82 : Every airline has half-empty flights... but probably not on those aforementioned leisure routes. However, the point was people can and do flip flop s
31 FLYACYYZ : It's rarely if ever a hassle. Consumers are very educated, and very aware of what they've paid for. If a customer has "flip-flopped" seats, and have
32 WildcatYXU : That's good news. I always use plastic, so that will save me picking up cash at the airport...
33 CRJpurser : How much does WS charge for pillows? Oh wait, they've never had them. Yet they charge for headsets. Zoom Airlines -charges for headsets and light snac
34 FLYACYYZ : Not trying to be the great defender of AC, but think that is a huge misconception. Based on internet bookings for tomorrow May 1st: Two similar dista
35 SSTsomeday : I suspect your examples are correct, and you are being more accurate than I. However, I recently tried to book a coach seat from L.A. to Sudbury and
36 LongHauler : I certainly agree with you, but lets place the blame where it belongs. If passengers chose airlines by anything other than fare, then you would see a
37 Smashme33 : Heh, seems like they're all going that route. It looks like an effort to maximize profits at the sacrifice of service. I will point out that there ar
38 Cessnapimp : Hmmm... I don't think the airlines are "maximising profits" so much as they are trying to simply stay in the black nowadays. Air travel is on it's way
39 Yyz717 : Back to the original topic, I fully support this and all other service fees that AC is implementing. Buying, cleaning and distributing pillows has a
40 OA260 : Is this because its not Domestic??? I know its a bit weird you can fly 3 hours domestic with buy on board but a 50 min hop across the border and its
41 FLYACYYZ : Buy on board is not free nor available on a 50 minute flight. It is a package of sesame sticks or cookies as time does not permit to offer the regula
42 Post contains images Yfbflyer : I just did YVR-YYZ and back last week I could see a real decline in the J class meal service since last year. The salads are being served in Tupperwa
43 WildcatYXU : Well, I'm not exactly happy about it, but in an environment where all competitors have the same or less service included in the fare and still have a
44 ETStar : I heard from my mother's cousin's boyfriend's pet groomer that AC will also charge a loonie for the use of the lavs starting June 2. There will also b
45 Post contains images ACDC8 : So, do those prices include GST and PST? If not, I'm waiting till my plane hits the Alberta border, so I don't have to pay the PST ....
46 WildcatYXU : Good one, you made my evening...
47 SSTsomeday : Point taken. But I recall a time when I could get a great advance-purchase, non-refundable fare, and the amenities in the cabin were not charged for,
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